Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath

[HIM]

There is a problem with the naming of the NT letters in English Bibles. They frequently say "Romans, Corinthians... Hebrews", while in fact its "To Romans, To Corinthians, To Hebrews...".

English speaking people get confused because of it and think all of it is written to all.

You really shouldn’t

 

[Leaf473]

There is a problem with the naming of the NT letters in English Bibles. They frequently say "Romans, Corinthians... Hebrews", while in fact its "To Romans, To Corinthians, To Hebrews...".

English speaking people get confused because of it and think all of it is written to all.

True! And the original recipients of the book of Colossians, were probably just ordinary folks.

When they read this

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Century Version

Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

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they probably thought that it refers to all kinds of sabbaths, weekly and yearly

 

[HIM]

True! And the original recipients of the book of Colossians, were probably just ordinary folks.

When they read this

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Century Version

Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

www.biblegateway.com

they probably thought that it refers to all kinds of sabbaths, weekly and yearly

Just inject whatever you want huh? Do thy own will.
Convenient.,..

 

[Leaf473]

Just inject whatever you want huh? Do thy own will.
Convenient.,..

No, but thanks for replying to my post

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 3:15 - New Century Version

Let the peace that Christ gives control your thinking, because you were all called together in one body to have peace. Always be thankful.

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[HIM]

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 3:15 - New Century Version

Let the peace that Christ gives control your thinking, because you were all called together in one body to have peace. Always be thankful.

www.biblegateway.com

That is subjective on your part

 

[trophy33]

of the book of Colossians

See, how confusing it is? Its not the book of Colossians, but the letter to Colossians

 

[HIM]

When they read this

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Century Version

Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

www.biblegateway.com

You said you read Greek yet post that garbage paraphrase. Doesn't add up. What ever suits huh?

 

[Jerry N.]

You said you read Greek yet post that garbage paraphrase. Doesn't add up. What ever suits huh?

Why would you say the the New Century Version is "garbage paraphrase?" From what I have read, it is a translation not a paraphrase like the Good News Bible.

 

[HIM]

Why would you say the the New Century Version is "garbage paraphrase?" From what I have read, it is a translation not a paraphrase like the Good News Bible.

Because it is. This is a commentary more than a translation. Hence paraphrase. Just because something agrees with what you think. It should say doesn’t mean it is a good translation. They interjected their reasoning so much, it shouldn’t even be called a translation
If it is

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Century Version​

Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

 

[Jerry N.]

Because it is. This is a commentary more than a translation. Hence paraphrase. Just because something agrees with what you think. It should say doesn’t mean it is a good translation. They interjected their reasoning so much, it shouldn’t even be called a translation
If it is

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Century Version​

Don’t Follow People’s Rules - So do not let anyone make rules for you about eating and drinking or about a religious feast, a New Moon Festival, or a Sabbath day.

I looked at 30+ translations of this verse in Polish, English, and Greek, and all but one says the same thing, and the one that differs is indeed an English paraphrase that says "Holy Days" instead of "Sabbaths". I see no "commentary" related to that verse in the New Century translation. There is no reason to assume the New Century version is in error.

 

[Leaf473]

That is subjective on your part

The part of my post that you quoted is just the scripture passage

Is Colossians 3:15 subjective in your view?

Peace be with you, my man

 

[Leaf473]

See, how confusing it is? Its not the book of Colossians, but the letter to Colossians

Yep!

 

[Leaf473]

You said you read Greek...

Yes, because I do

I'm not an expert, probably about like a first grader

...yet post that garbage paraphrase.

I invite you to post your paraphrase

Doesn't add up. What ever suits huh?

 

[HIM]

The part of my post that you quoted is just the scripture passage

Is Colossians 3:15 subjective in your view?

Peace be with you, my man

No, your view..

 

[HIM]

Yes, because I do

I'm not an expert, probably about like a first grader

Oh so you know the alphabet.

That is a far cry from being able to read Greek like you said.

I invite you to post your paraphrase

If we took the time we would translate. A Translation is not a paraphrase. And the KJV is close enough in respect to our conversation. So we will leave it at that.

 

[Leaf473]

No, your view..

Which part do you view differently?

Let the peace that Christ gives control your thinking...

...because you were all called together in one body...

...to have peace.

Always be thankful.

 

[Leaf473]

Oh so you know the alphabet.

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That is a far cry from being able to read Greek like you said.

If we took the time we would translate. A Translation is not a paraphrase. And the KJV is close enough in respect to our conversation. So we will leave it at that.

You see the KJV as close enough, I see it as hard for many people to read

Bible Gateway passage: Colossians 2:16 - New Testament for Everyone

So don’t let anyone pass judgment on you in a question of food or drink, or in the matter of festivals, new moons or sabbaths.

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Peace be with you, my man

 

[guevaraj]

You see the KJV as close enough, I see it as hard for many people to read

Brother, the correction of the Sabbath from human tradition in the book of Hebrews is a good example where the King James Version (KJV) failed as a translation, they misidentified "Joshua" before David as "Jesus", forcing the message to seem to refer to the present after Jesus when the original message was about a past mistake in the understanding of the Sabbath by Joshua when they transitioned to a different Sabbath without Manna in Jerusalem. For forty years, when they kept the seventh day with Manna, God tells us in Hebrews that He had punished them not to enter His "day" of rest available since the first week of creation, the Sabbath, which they later entered within Jerusalem at an earlier time than the seventh day of the week. Joshua did not pay any attention to the change from a day of the week from morning to morning, to the evening to evening Sabbath and assumed wrongly that this earlier Sabbath, from evening to evening, was also the seventh day of the week in Jerusalem, overlooking the fact that the days of the week were in the desert from morning to morning for 40 years.

For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)​

The above blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus is later corrected without correcting its forced twisting effect on the rest of the passage.

For if Joshua had given them rest, then He would not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 NKJV)​

This blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus hid the true message of the book of Hebrews for generations of readers of the English translation of the scriptures when Jesus wanted us to keep His first week's Sabbath "day" corrected from human tradition since Joshua, where Joshua wrongly thought the Sabbath in Jerusalem was the seventh day of the week when the Sabbath is fixed in the time zone of Eden and falls at a different time in Jerusalem, half a day before the seventh day of the week. The KJV twisted the message of the passage to fit their misidentification that many other translations followed even after the misidentification was corrected, but not corrected was its effect on the rest of the message in the book of Hebrews. Many translations continue the error started by the KJV's misidentification of Joshua as Jesus in Hebrews, chapter 4, when Jesus was not before David to make the "good news" of entering the Sabbath be mistranslated as the "gospel" of Jesus. The wrong translation of "gospel" for the phrase the "good news" of entering the Sabbath has influenced wrongly many other Bible translations after the KJV. The newer NKJV fixes the misidentification of Joshua as Jesus but not its effect on the rest of the passage, like the "gospel" of Jesus (not possible before David), for the phrase, the "good news" of entering the Sabbath, first heard by those that died in the desert.

For indeed the gospel was preached to us as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in those who heard it. (Hebrews 4:2 NKJV)​

The blunder of misidentifying Joshua as Jesus changed the below "good news" of entering the Sabbath to the above "gospel" of Jesus, forcing the message to seem to be about the present when it is about a past misunderstanding of the Sabbath. The New Living Translation (NLT) was a complete effort from the original languages which finally corrected this twisting of the scriptures by the KJV that influenced so many other translations.

For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. (Hebrews 4:2 NLT)​

Those, like Joshua, who first heard the "good news", that God had prepared this rest" since the first week of creation, were punished not to enter the Sabbath by an "oath" near Jerusalem with Manna, that Joshua later entered before the seventh day of the week from evening to evening, having been prevented from entering the Sabbath with Manna for 40 years from morning to morning near Jerusalem. In the following Hebrews passage corrected from the blunder of the KJV, "another day" refers to a different day than the one thought for the Sabbath since Joshua: not the seventh day of the week everywhere, but the seventh day of the first week of creation remembered in the time zone of creation half a day before the seventh day in Jerusalem. We do not automatically enter the "day" of rest by accepting the "good news" of entering the Sabbath "announced to us just as it was to them" in the desert, like the KJV mistranslated. What we "can" enter is the "day" of rest in the new covenant "announced to us just as it was to them" by understanding how God prevented Joshua from entering the Sabbath for 40 years in the desert by punishing them by having them keep the seventh day of the week near Jerusalem when the Sabbath is entered earlier than the Seventh day of the week in Jerusalem.

God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Leaf473]

"The truth is that we neither live nor die as self-contained units"

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5-9 - J.B. Phillips New Testament

People are different—make allowances - Again, one man thinks some days of more importance than others. Another man considers them all alike. Let every one be definite in his own convictions. If a man specially observes one particular day, he does so “to God”. The man who eats, eats “to God”, for...

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[Dan Perez]

1. God spoke the Ten Commandments and calls them My (God) commandments, Exo 20:6 Jesus also called them the commandments of God Mat 15:3-14, no change. You will never find the phrase the commandments of Moses- God wrote. Exo 31:18 they are His works Exo 32:16 Moses is not God. They were part of the law of Moses just like they were part of everyone's law- because they are God's commandments, and no scripture says we can break God's commandments - that's not how we are reconciled Rev 22:14-15
2. The Sabbath was made for man Mark 2:27 and everyone Isa 56:1-6 thus saith the Lord- God wants to bless and sanctify all Eze 20:12 not just Jews. Without His sanctification we really are nothing because we can't sanctify ourselves Isa 66:17
3. Faith is part of being Christian and taking God at His Word that He literally spoke Creation and it was so, the Sabbath is part of Creation God's perfect plan before sin.. God said Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy Exo 20:8 He is the God of Creation Exo 20:11 the same God of Judgement Rev 14:7 He changes not Mal 3:6 and His Words will never translate into forget the Sabbath and now we can profane My holy day Isa 58:13, in doing so, who are we really profaning? Eze 22:26

Happy Sabbath!

Yes the Sabbath was good for Israel was great for Israel , but the Law of Moses was to pass away and ACT 28:25-28 show

why Israel was set aside and 2 Cor 3: 13- 14 as it was ABOLISHED by Christ .

So the question is , how are Jews saved today ?

dan p