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God certainly promises to take care of us, but not everybody has the courage and faith to wait on His relief. Matthew 24:20 seems to illustrate this problem.Sorry to chime in, but I think this comes down to something pivotal. God promises to take care of us, when we obey Him, even at the expense of I may not feed my family, I may be out of work, God promises our essentials when we place our faith in Him.
The example is expressed very plainly in Daniel and Daniel is a prophetic book so it's not there by accident and something at the end of time we will all have to make a decision whether we are faithful to God, He still tests us now. Daniel and his friends faced similar predicaments- there was a decree where everyone had to bow to the golden image breaking one of God's commandments. Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego trusted and placed their faith in God to obey Him even at the risk of death. Jesus saved them through the burning furnace. Daniel was also in a similar predicament when another decree went out against obeying one of God's commandments and Daniel faithfully obeyed God at the risk of being eaten by Lions. God faithfully saved Daniel through the lions dens. The point is, we need not to trust in ourselves, we need to trust in God. I have been through some similar situations on the Sabbath, one where it put my company in jeopardy, but being faithful to God, He took care of me ten-fold and He will for anyone who places their faith in Him, go to Him in earnest prayer. Working on the Sabbath because we need money puts our faith in ourselves, trust God. I know of a ton of similar stories people who faced similar predicaments and how being faithfully to God no one will ever regret. It's not this life that matters, its eternal life that will.
Also, I would be cautious of what it means to do good on the Sabbath. Jesus gave several examples of what doing good was and it was never at the expense of breaking the Sabbath commandment.
Actually, this proves the opposite. This is about the destruction of Jerusalem. God gave the sign when to flee from Jerusalem and Judah when they were surrounded by the Roman empire. Everyone who knew the sign were Sabbath-keepers why Jesus said He prays the flight not be in winter or the Sabbath. Mat 24:20 Everyone who fled was saved. Those who disobeyed and went after the Roman empire when they retreated and stayed, when the Roman Empire came back, they either died or were held captive. Since Mat 24 is a prophetic book this has a dual prophecy for the end of time as well.God certainly promises to take care of us, but not everybody has the courage and faith to wait on His relief. Matthew 24:20 seems to illustrate this problem.
My history might be rusty or incorrect, but it seems that Romans spent some time searching and killing or enslaving Jews that fled the siege of Jerusalem.Actually, this proves the opposite. This is about the destruction of Jerusalem. God gave the sign when to flee from Jerusalem and Judah when they were surrounded by the Roman empire. Everyone who knew the sign were Sabbath-keepers why Jesus said He prays the flight not be in winter or the Sabbath. Mat 24:20 Everyone who fled was saved. Those who disobeyed and went after the Roman empire when they retreated and stayed, when the Roman Empire came back, they either died or were held captive. Since Mat 24 is a prophetic book this has a dual prophecy for the end of time as well.
Moral of the story, obey God over self or following traditions of man which Jesus said that path ends up in a ditch. Mat 15:3-14 But we are given free will.
Not the first time, when the Romans surrounded Jerusalem which was the sign Jesus said to flee, they all lived. You if read the story they surrounded the city the first time (which was the sign to leave) but the Romans retreated when the Jews, who did not keep the sign and came after them. It wasn't until the second time when they came back, the Romans overthrew the city just as Jesus predicted.My history might be rusty or incorrect, but it seems that Romans spent some time searching and killing or enslaving Jews that fled the siege of Jerusalem.
Why’d you begin with verse 19? Is it because you wanted to avoid the two verses before that, that support my position? The two verses where Jesus is actually talking about the law and not just the 10 commandments?Lets take a look.....
First of all He said least of these "commandments" not everything is a commandment as shown Neh 9:13
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
Which commandments? What does Jesus first quote from? So at the very least one shouldn't even think about breaking the Ten Commandments and take Christs warning to heart.
Murder Begins in the Heart
21 “You have heard that it was said to those [d]of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother [e]without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’[f] shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, [g]‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of [h]hell fire. 23 Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. 25 Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. 26 Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.
Adultery in the Heart
27 “You have heard that it was said [i]to those of old, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to [j]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to [k]sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
So Jesus quoted the "commandments" He was referring to....
Then He goes on and says "FUTHERMORE" which means in addition to., we have been through this and in the past you admitted to it.
Marriage Is Sacred and Binding
31 “Furthermore it has been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that whoever divorces his wife for any reason except [l]sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery; and whoever marries a woman who is divorced commits adultery.
The He relates the law of Moses to one of the Ten Commandments showing their reach by showing divorce is under the commandment of adultery
Then He quotes about Oaths which is obviously under the commandment to not bear false witness
Jesus Forbids Oaths
33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of [m]old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let [n]your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
Then He goes on to say what it means to love our neighbor which is summed up in the Ten Commandments
Go the Second Mile
38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. 40 If anyone wants to sue you and take away your tunic, let him have your cloak also. 41 And whoever compels you to go one mile, go with him two. 42 Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Same here
Love Your Enemies
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 [o]But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your [p]brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the [q]tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.
Jesus came to magnify His law Isa 42:21 and He did just that by showing how our thoughts and feelings are related and lead up to breaking God's law. He did that in Mat 15 as well, quoting from the same commandments. Notice how with the commandments to not commit adultery and not murder from the Ten He said in doing this it is sin and one would be in fear of Judgement. Breaking the least of these commandments affects our status in heaven. Judgement. Rev 22:14-15 Ecc 12:13-14 Are there more laws to keep, of course, but God's law includes all Ten of the commandments, even the one He said Remember, that man chooses sadly to forget.
Jesus showed through a couple of examples how far the reach is with the Ten Commandments, God's perfect law converting the soul. Psa 19:7 Sorry if you can't see it but it doesn't make it less true and all gets sorted out soon enough.
Verse 19 gives the context to verse 17-18 which explains by Jesus in clear words and clear examples, the law He is referring to.Why’d you begin with verse 19? Is it because you wanted to avoid the two verses before that, that support my position? The two verses where Jesus is actually talking about the law and not just the 10 commandments?
““Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.”
Matthew 5:17-18 NASB1995
All 6 of the laws He mentioned are considered commandments by the Jews and all other Christian denominations except for one. So when He said “these commandments” He didn’t stop at two He mentioned 6 of them, three of which are NOT in the 10 commandments. There’s a reason that the Torah is also called the 613 commandments. You're cherry picking the bits and pieces of the message that appear to support your theology while ignoring the rest of the message that refutes it.
Verse pleaseThere’s a reason that the Torah is also called the 613 commandments.
What law was Paul referring to? Not the Sabbath, that wasn't mentioned in the whole book. The Jews were compelling Christians converts to be circumcised in order to be saved Acts 15:1 and hear the gospel. The main law Paul is referring to throughout the book of Galatians.I’m still a bit confused here. Gal. 2:21: “I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness comes through the Law, then Christ died needlessly.” We should certainly keep the law, but it is impossible. We are saved by grace. However, it should be out of the love of God to do his will, but not to gain righteousness. We are “under construction” so to speak. It is evident that “none of us are righteous,” but we strive to do right for the love of God. Has anyone not broken one of the six commandments mentioned? Under grace, our spirit (or heart) leads us to obey God. That process should be supported with love and understanding.
Brother, God has been telling us all along to anyone who would listen. He told it to Adam and Eve in the Genesis story, which God verified to Israel in the Manna story. God compares us to Israel after Jesus, on how important the truth of God’s rest is through Paul in the book of Hebrews, as evidence of God’s existence. Proof of God's existence that we need to strengthen our faith, or we will “fall” like Israel because of our disobedience, as stated in the following passage. Replacements of God's truth have enslaved us to sin and have kept many from entering God’s rest because of our disobedience. In modern times, I hear how proud many are to disobey God’s truth as a sign of freedom to sin, when the truth of God’s rest gives us evidence of His existence. Instead, we maintain human traditions that replace Saturday with Sunday, removing the evidence of God's existence through the International Date Line, showing God's presence with us from the beginning and God's control over His word in how consistent it is in God telling us the days of the week by inspiration, even when the humans He has used to write His word misinterpret the days of the week since Joshua.This tells me that God has not told everyone about the seven day week, or the seventh day being special
I think, then, that we would see people all around the world throughout history being aware of the seventh dayBrother, God has been telling us all along to anyone who would listen.
He told it to Adam and Eve in the Genesis story, which God verified to Israel in the Manna story. God compares us to Israel after Jesus, on how important the truth of God’s rest is through Paul in the book of Hebrews, as evidence of God’s existence. Proof of God's existence that we need to strengthen our faith, or we will “fall” like Israel because of our disobedience, as stated in the following passage. Replacements of God's truth have enslaved us to sin and have kept many from entering God’s rest because of our disobedience. In modern times, I hear how proud many are to disobey God’s truth as a sign of freedom to sin, when the truth of God’s rest gives us evidence of His existence. Instead, we maintain human traditions that replace Saturday with Sunday, removing the evidence of God's existence through the International Date Line, showing God's presence with us from the beginning and God's control over His word in how consistent it is in God telling us the days of the week by inspiration, even when the humans He has used to write His word misinterpret the days of the week since Joshua.
God’s promise of entering his rest still stands, so we ought to tremble with fear that some of you might fail to experience it. For this good news—that God has prepared this rest—has been announced to us just as it was to them. But it did them no good because they didn’t share the faith of those who listened to God. For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. We know it is ready because of the place in the Scriptures where it mentions the seventh day: “On the seventh day God rested from all his work.” But in the other passage God said, “They will never enter my place of rest.” So God’s rest is there for people to enter, but those who first heard this good news failed to enter because they disobeyed God. So God set another time for entering his rest, and that time is today. God announced this through David much later in the words already quoted: “Today when you hear his voice, don’t harden your hearts.” Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. So there is a special rest still waiting for the people of God. For all who have entered into God’s rest have rested from their labors, just as God did after creating the world. So let us do our best to enter that rest. But if we disobey God, as the people of Israel did, we will fall. (Hebrews 4:1-11 NLT)
United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge
How would I render?How would you render πᾶσαν ἡμέραν into English?
How would you put this passage into your own words, not using 'churchy" language?
Bible Gateway passage: ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 14:5 - SBL Greek New Testament
Ὃς μὲν κρίνει ἡμέραν παρ’ ἡμέραν, ὃς δὲ κρίνει πᾶσαν ἡμέραν· ἕκαστος ἐν τῷ ἰδίῳ νοῒ πληροφορείσθω·www.biblegateway.com
Paul was referring to all or most of the commandments, not just circumcision, but circumcision was one of the primary topics since he mentions Titus. I’m not confused about salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. I’m confused about the thread of “Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.” Are we writing about which day the Sabbath is? Are we writing about gentiles keeping the Sabbath? Are we writing about Christians being required to keep the Ten Commandments of the Torah?What law was Paul referring to? Not the Sabbath, that wasn't mentioned in the whole book. The Jews were compelling Christians converts to be circumcised in order to be saved Acts 15:1 and hear the gospel. The main law Paul is referring to throughout the book of Galatians.
Basically the Jews were teaching they could save themselves by getting circumcised, but no we can't save ourselves, we are saved only by the blood of Jesus through faith.
Gal 2:2 And I went up [a]by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain. 3 Yet not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised.
The Ten Commandments can't even save us. because we all have sinned, we need Jesus. All the law does is point out our sin Rom 7:7 Rom 3:20 and so we are not depending on our righteousness but on Gods Psa 119:172 and shows as a sinner our need of Jesus when we sin, we go to Him when we are sorry and ask for His forgiveness and for a change of heart. He is so faithful to forgive us when we confess, but when He heals He says go and sin no more. Our salvation is from sin, we are not saved in our sins Heb 10:26-30, we need a conversion in Christ, trusting Him at His Word that what He asks is for our best interest, even if it doesn't always make sense to us.
That is because you are wrong.Verse 19 gives the context to verse 17-18 which explains by Jesus in clear words and clear examples, the law He is referring to.
I don’t think there’s a point in discussing the same thing again.
If we are still sinning we are not free from the Law. We are still being tutored and are not living by the faith of Christ. For the Law is for the sinner.Paul was referring to all or most of the commandments, not just circumcision, but circumcision was one of the primary topics since he mentions Titus. I’m not confused about salvation through the sacrifice of Christ. I’m confused about the thread of “Why we are not supposed to keep the Sabbath.” Are we writing about which day the Sabbath is? Are we writing about gentiles keeping the Sabbath? Are we writing about Christians being required to keep the Ten Commandments of the Torah?
Exodus 20:1-2 - And God spoke all these words: “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.” This is clearly directed to the Hebrew people. However, God freed us from the bondage of sin, and we do well to take in the following commandments as our own since it pleases God and is good for us. However, the laws of God are now written in our hearts. One can read Galatians 3:21-25 to indicate that we are free of the old law by faith in the work of Christ. I do my best to keep the Sabbath, but it is not to be righteous, but it does help me to not become more unrighteous by “resetting” my devotion to God at least once a week, but I am no longer a slave to the law since it is by choice and not obligation. If we compel Christians to keep the Sabbath, are we leading them back into slavery under the law?
If we don’t commit adultery because we love our wife and God, then the law against adultery does not affect our choices out of fear of condemnation.If we are still sinning we are not free from the Law. We are still being tutored and are not living by the faith of Christ. For the Law is for the sinner.
I'm going to have to side with Wesley on this subjectThat is because you are wrong.
How would I render?
Translating those words Every day is not the issue.
Only about a quarter of the translations use the word holy in Romans 14:5The word holy being used in their translation is.
It is not there.
They misconstrued the Context by doing that.
It looks to me like it starts at 14:1Where does the context of the passage start?
Then they are not translating they are paraphrasing. They are saying what they think rather then what is there. Basically a commentary really.Only about a quarter of the translations use the word holy in Romans 14:5
Right. And what does it say?It looks to me like it starts at 14:1
How does it look to you?
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