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WHY UNIVERSALISM IS NOT TRUE?

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John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Timothy 4:10 and 1 John 2:2 merely mean salvation is available to whosoever will believe...
 
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John 3:16–18 (AV)
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 Timothy 4:10 and 1 John 2:2 merely mean salvation is available to whosoever will believe...
Did Jesus die to save you from God?
 
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Did Jesus die to save you from God?
Jesus died to save us from the wages of sin which is death *Romans 6:23. According to the scriptures, God's promise of eternal life is conditional to all those who believe and follow what God's Word says *John 3:16 says; For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes on him should not perish, but have eternal life. According to the scriptures those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God *John 3:18. Jesus goes on to tell us that He that believes on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeys not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him in John 3:36

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Did Jesus die to save you from God?

The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.

The question is framed in error. Like 'when will you stop cheating on your wife?' when you never have to begin with. Or 'your dad didn't kill you all those times you were in trouble...'

Non sequitur.
 
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The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.

The question is framed in error. Like 'when will you stop cheating on your wife?' when you never have to begin with. Or 'your dad didn't kill you all those times you were in trouble...'

Non sequitur.
Good observation
 
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The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.

Right, so none of us actually chose that fate, and poor Adam and Eve were clearly naive and set up. Like leaving a loaded shotgun with a 5 year old with strict instructions not to play with it. But I digress.

Now religion insists we jump through various hoops to turn the boat around. But Jesus is still taking a kip astern.

Ok, who is greater, Adam or Christ? Yes, and if all are dead or dying in Adam (as predetermined), what is or will be made alive in Christ (as also pre-ordained)? Excellent, progress, now that's glimmer of good news for those in prison and groaning under the heavy burdens that certain types won't lift a finger to help them with, isn't it now? A lighter yoke for freed slaves, that's our platform. Vote 1 Christ, go postal on love, it's in the bag, much rejoicing - except for gloomy big brothers and early day workers. Still, they'll come round.
 
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The question is non sequitur... the human race fell via Adam and was destined for doom. Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.
The question is framed in error. Like 'when will you stop cheating on your wife?' when you never have to begin with. Or 'your dad didn't kill you all those times you were in trouble...'

Non sequitur.
. . .and elementary.
 
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WHY IS UNIVERSALISM NOT BIBLICAL?

What is true within the teachings of Universalism is that there is no such thing as the Roman Catholic doctrine of eternal burning Hell. Very simply though the reason why Universalism is a false teaching is that the bible tells us so because there is no more second chances for the wicked at the second coming. For example...

WHAT HAPPENS TO THE WICKED AT THE SECOND COMING?

WICKED SHALL BE DESTROYED
Psalm 145:20 The Lord preserveth all them that love him, but all the wicked He shall destroy
Psalm 101:8 I will early destroy all the wicked of the land, that I may cut off all wicked doers from the city of the Lord
Psalms 37:9-11 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait on the LORD, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yes, you shall diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.
Proverbs 14:11, The house of the wicked shall be destroyed: but the tabernacle of the upright shall flourish.
Psalm 37:38 But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Psalm 92:7 When the wicked spring as the grass and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish, it is that they shall be destroyed forever
Psalms 94:23 He has brought back their wickedness upon them And will destroy them in their evil
The Lord our God will destroy them.
Proverbs 13:13 Whoso despiseth the word shall be destroyed; but he that feareth the commandment shall be rewarded
Proverbs 10:29 The way of the Lord is strength to the upright, but destruction shall be the workers of iniquity.
Hosea 7:13 Woe to them, for they have strayed from Me! Destruction is theirs, for they have rebelled against Me! I would redeem them, but they speak lies against Me
Philippians 1:28 in no way alarmed by your opponents—which is a sign of destruction for them, but of salvation for you, and that too, from God.
Philippians 3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things
2 Peter 2:3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.
2 Peter 2:12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed
2 Peter 3:7 But by His word the present heavens and earth are being reserved for fire, kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
Jude 1:10 But these men revile the things which they do not understand; and the things which they know by instinct, like unreasoning animals, by these things they are destroyed.
2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power.

THEY SHALL PERISH
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 1:4 The wicked are not so,But they are like chaff which the wind drives away.
Palms 1:6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish.
Proverbs 19:9 A false witness shall not be unpunished, and he that speaketh lies shall perish
Luke 13:3 Nay, but except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever should believeth on him should not perish but have everlasting life
2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received no the love of the truth that they might be saved

THE WICKED SHALL BE BURNT UP
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in His hand, and he will throughly purge His floor, and gather His wheat into the garner. But He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire
Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest. And in the time of harvest, I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them. But gather the wheat into my barn
Hebrews 6:8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.
Malachi 4:1,3 For behold the day cometh that shall burn as an oven and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble and th day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts. It shall leave them neither root nor branch...And ye shall tread down the wicked, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works therein shall be burnt up

THE WICKED SHALL BE CONSUMED
Isaiah 1:28 And the destruction of the transgressors and of the sinners shall be together and they that forsake the Lord shall be consumed.
Psalm 37:20 But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs. They shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away
Psalms 104:35a Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth and let the wicked be no more

THE WICKED SHALL BE DEVOURED
Psalm 21:9 Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in His wrath, and the fire shall devour them.
Revelation 20:9 And they went up on th ebreadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indigination, which shall devour the adversaries

THE WICKED SHALL BE CUT OFF FROM THE EARTH

Psalms 37:2,9,22,28,34,38 For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb...For evildoers shall be cut off, but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth...For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off...For the Lord loveth judgment and forsaketh not his saints; the are preserved for ever. But the seed of the wicked shall be cut off...Wait on the Lord and keep his way, and he shall exalt thee to inherit the land; when the wicked are cut off, thou shalt see it...But the transgressors shall be destroyed together; the end of the wicked shall be cut off
Isaiah 33:12 And the people shall be as the burnings of lime. As thorns cut up shall they be burned in the fire
Proverbs 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it

THE WICKED WILL GO INTO PERDITION AND UTTER RUIN
Hebrews 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul
2 Peter 3:7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and periditon of ungodly men

THE WICKED ARE COMPARED TO COMBUSTIBLE MATERIALS TO BE BURNED
Matthew 3:12. Whose fan is in his hand, and he will thoroughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaffwith unquenchable fire.
Nahum 1:9-10 What do ye imagine against the Lord? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time. For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
Matthew 13:40. "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
John 15:6. "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

THE WICKED SHALL DIE
Ezekiel 18:4-9, 20 [4], Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, it shall die.
James 5:20 Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
John 8:24 I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins: for if you believe not that I am he, you shall die in your sins.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.
Proverbs 15:10 Correction is grievous to him that forsakes the way: and he that hates reproof shall die.
Proverbs 19:16 He that keeps the commandment keeps his own soul; but he that despises his ways shall die.
Ezekiel 3:18-20 When I say to the wicked, You shall surely die; and you give him not warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Yet if you warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul. Again, When a righteous man does turn from his righteousness, and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling-block before him, he shall die: because you have not given him warning, he shall die in his sin, and his righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; but his blood will I require at your hand.
Ezekiel 18:24 But when the righteous turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he has done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he has trespassed, and in his sin that he has sinned, in them shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:26 When a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he has done shall he die.
Ezekiel 18:28 Because he considers, and turns away from all his transgressions that he has committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
Ezekiel 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby you have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will you die, O house of Israel?
Ezeliel 33:8-9 When I say to the wicked, O wicked man, you shall surely die; if you do not speak to warn the wicked from his way, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at your hand. Nevertheless, if you warn the wicked of his way to turn from it; if he do not turn from his way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered your soul.
Ezekiel 33:11, 13, 14, 15, 18 Say to them, As I live, said the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn you, turn you from your evil ways; for why will you die, O house of Israel?

THE WICKED SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Know you not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Revelation 22:14-15 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and fornicators, and murderers, and idolaters, and whoever loves and makes a lie.
Galatians 5:19-21 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, jealousies, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Contentions, murders, drunkenness, revelings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ephesians 5:5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous that is, an idolater, has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Revelation 21:8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

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There is no second chances for the unrepentant wicked at the second coming as the scriptures teach us in Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. Universalism is a man-made teaching that makes a mockery of the cross and Gods' justice and judgement for sin and is a false teaching designed to lead all those who follow it away from God and His Word.

The false teachings of Universalism are simply the same lies given to mankind in Genesis 3:1-5 that we can disobey God and no surely die. This is the same lie given to Eve simply re marketed under the name of "Universal Reconciliation" which teaches the same lies that we can disobey Gods Word and not surely die.

What are your thoughts (friendly discussion please).

God bless :wave:


I looked up universalism and it means very different to what I expected; it seems to have fallen victim to new speak. You seem to be concerned with symptoms and not the disease or the cause.

Universalism is Pandora's box as is Satan, where as God is of one mind and one purpose; universalism is an organised destruction of the truth.
 
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I looked up universalism and it means very different to what I expected; it seems to have fallen victim to new speak. You seem to be concerned with symptoms and not the disease or the cause.

Universalism is Pandora's box as is Satan, where as God is of one mind and one purpose; universalism is an organised destruction of the truth.
We need to separate Christian Universalism from Universalism in general. Christian Universalists do not have the same beliefs as general Universalists. And Christian Universalism is nothing new. It was a leading theology in the early church. See below. Four out of six schools, or more.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor:

"In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
 
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We need to separate Christian Universalism from Universalism in general. Christian Universalists do not have the same beliefs as general Universalists. And Christian Universalism is nothing new. It was a leading theology in the early church. See below. Four out of six schools, or more.

"The Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge"
by Schaff-Herzog, 1908, volume 12, page 96
German theologian- Philip Schaff, Editor:

"In the first five or six centuries of Christianity there were six theological schools, of which four (Alexandria, Antioch, Caesarea, and Edessa, or Nisibis) were Universalist, one (Ephesus) accepted conditional immortality; one (Carthage or Rome) taught endless punishment of the wicked. Other theological schools are mentioned as founded by Universalists, but their actual doctrine on this subject is not known."
Universalism is not supported in scripture is it? I cannot see any where in the scriptures that the wicked will be given a second chance at the second coming and receive eternal life. This is the exact opposite to what the scriptures teach.
 
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I looked up universalism and it means very different to what I expected; it seems to have fallen victim to new speak. You seem to be concerned with symptoms and not the disease or the cause.

Universalism is Pandora's box as is Satan, where as God is of one mind and one purpose; universalism is an organised destruction of the truth.

Great expression, 'organised destruction of the truth', I suppose if you want to do it right...

That great collection of 'destruction of the wicked' scriptures is fully affirmed by UR. This is a point that anti-UR-ists can't or won't accurately represent. UR categorically does not contend that everyone gets into the Kingdom, warts and all. Of course not, they need to enter through the sheep gate for a good wool wash.

How does the destruction of the wicked occur? Simple: by His Salvation. That's how God overcomes wickedness, by grace. The purification of the Spirit and the renewal of the mind, the humble repentance of the sinner, and so on and so forth.

So the total victory of Christ can only mean the salvation of all. It can't get any more definitional than that.
 
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Great expression, 'organised destruction of the truth', I suppose if you want to do it right...

That great collection of 'destruction of the wicked' scriptures is fully affirmed by UR. This is a point that anti-UR-ists can't or won't accurately represent. UR categorically does not contend that everyone gets into the Kingdom, warts and all. Of course not, they need to enter through the sheep gate for a good wool wash.

How does the destruction of the wicked occur? Simple: by His Salvation. That's how God overcomes wickedness, by grace. The purification of the Spirit and the renewal of the mind, the humble repentance of the sinner, and so on and so forth.

So the total victory of Christ can only mean the salvation of all. It can't get any more definitional than that.

What tricked me up is Catholic is an alternate word for universal, and the universal Church is where all religions are counted logically as one under the Pope, except for them who choose to be heretics; there are probably better descriptions than mine. Although My 1964 dictionary has universalist as one who believes in universal salvation, (which is not Biblical); I do not know if the Papacy believes in universal salvation but I suspect not because the Pope has authority over who is saved, in their opinion.

There are so many scripture that contradict universalism. Christ's victory is only a victory in the context of the covenant and the only beneficiaries are those in covenant with God.
 
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What tricked me up is Catholic is an alternate word for universal, and the universal Church is where all religions are counted logically as one under the Pope, except for them who choose to be heretics; there are probably better descriptions than mine. Although My 1964 dictionary has universalist as one who believes in universal salvation, (which is not Biblical); I do not know if the Papacy believes in universal salvation but I suspect not because the Pope has authority over who is saved, in their opinion.

Yes, the universal church that denies universal salvation. Least the Catholics were bright enough to know that the result would be universal damnation if sinlessness was the requisite standard, hence the need for the relief valve of purgatory. I say, purgatory for all, not just the Catholics!

There are so many scripture that contradict universalism. Christ's victory is only a victory in the context of the covenant and the only beneficiaries are those in covenant with God.

The Abrahamic Covenant IS a universal promise of blessings to all mankind. This is what Revelation is about, the consummation of that promise. Funnily enough, the angel also announces Christ's advent as Glad tidings of great joy for all mankind...most of you are doomed to rot in hell (sorry, I added that last part). Christ's mission is to raise the dead, free the slaves, heal the sick etc...there's nothing about roasting the lost there. Salvation, the omega plan.

Once your eyes are open to UR, you'll find it on every page of the Bible. That's the good news, as much as fell in Adam is more than redeemed in Christ. That's the glory of God. What would be the point otherwise?

100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
 
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Yes, the universal church that denies universal salvation. Least the Catholics were bright enough to know that the result would be universal damnation if sinlessness was the requisite standard, hence the need for the relief valve of purgatory. I say, purgatory for all, not just the Catholics!



The Abrahamic Covenant IS a universal promise of blessings to all mankind. This is what Revelation is about, the consummation of that promise. Funnily enough, the angel also announces Christ's advent as Glad tidings of great joy for all mankind...most of you are doomed to rot in hell (sorry, I added that last part). Christ's mission is to raise the dead, free the slaves, heal the sick etc...there's nothing about roasting the lost there. Salvation, the omega plan.

Once your eyes are open to UR, you'll find it on every page of the Bible. That's the good news, as much as fell in Adam is more than redeemed in Christ. That's the glory of God. What would be the point otherwise?

100 Scriptural Proofs That Jesus Christ Will Save All Mankind
My eyes haven't been closed but it appears yours have; have you heard of teachings of men in place of what God has given, it is called doctrines of men.
 
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My eyes haven't been closed but it appears yours have; have you heard of teachings of men in place of what God has given, it is called doctrines of men.

It does nobody any good to come start making accusations, I've just given you foundational tenets of faith which are universalistic in character, In case you missed it, I'll draw you a diagram:
  • The Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 18:18, 22:18)
  • The Koreshic Oath (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:9)
  • The Angel's gospel (Luke 2:10-11)
  • The great restoration (Revelation 21:5)
And looky here, a list of 'all nations will be saved' verses:
"All Nations" Verse List - Youth With A Mission

Still, some ppl prefer an emotionally retarded malicious deity who tortures ppl forever or offs their heads because they don't do what he wants. You want to make a god in your own image mate, go ahead. Lord have mercy.
 
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What tricked me up is Catholic is an alternate word for universal, and the universal Church is where all religions are counted logically as one under the Pope, except for them who choose to be heretics; there are probably better descriptions than mine. Although My 1964 dictionary has universalist as one who believes in universal salvation, (which is not Biblical); I do not know if the Papacy believes in universal salvation but I suspect not because the Pope has authority over who is saved, in their opinion.

There are so many scripture that contradict universalism. Christ's victory is only a victory in the context of the covenant and the only beneficiaries are those in covenant with God.

In the early church it was known as Apocatastasis. Christian universalism is biblical in that it uses a lot of proof texts from the Bible. As for what the Pope believes, you might be surprised if you watch this four minute video:

 
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In the early church it was known as Apocatastasis. Christian universalism is biblical in that it uses a lot of proof texts from the Bible. As for what the Pope believes, you might be surprised if you watch this four minute video:
The only thing biblical about universalism is it's parallel to Genesis 3:1-5 and the lies told to Eve in the garden of Eden that if you disobey Gods' Word you will not surely die. Sounds familiar? The teachings of Christian Universalism is not supported in scripture. There is no second chances for the wicked at the second coming where God tortures all the unbelieving wicked into believing and following him then gives them eternal life? What kind of God is that? Not one that is supported in the scriptures or one that I believe and follow. I prefer what the scriptures teach.

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The teachings of Christian Universalism is not supported in scripture. There is no second chances for the wicked at the second coming where God tortures all the unbelieving wicked into believing and following him then gives them eternal life? What kind of God is that?Not one that is supported in the scriptures or one that I believe and follow. I prefer what the scriptures teach. it is scripture.

Christian universalism has been explained to you on this thread repeatedly by several extremely patient people. If you wish to continue misrepresenting it that's up to you but please don't claim that it is scripture. Scripture is about what is true, not what is false.
 
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The only thing biblical about universalism is it's parallel to Genesis 3:1-5 and the lies told to Eve in the garden of Eden that if you disobey Gods' Word you will not surely die. Sounds familiar? The teachings of Christian Universalism is not supported in scripture. There is no second chances for the wicked at the second coming where God tortures all the unbelieving wicked into believing and following him then gives them eternal life? What kind of God is that? Not one that is supported in the scriptures or one that I believe and follow. I prefer what the scriptures teach.

I can't say for sure if universalism is true, but I can say that I find it more convincing than seventh day adventism. According to the doctrine you promote there's no salvation for any except for the scant few who follow it.
 
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