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WHY UNIVERSALISM IS NOT TRUE?

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Christian universalism has been explained to you on this thread repeatedly by several extremely patient people. If you wish to continue misrepresenting it that's up to you but please don't claim that it is scripture. Scripture is about what is true, not what is false.
Sorry I prefer the scriptures. I did not misrepresent anything. I have only provided scripture that is in disagreement with the teachings of Universalism. What is it exactly that you are claiming that I am misrepresenting here? I am happy to discuss this with you to see if there is any truth in it if you wish to.

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I can't say for sure if universalism is true, but I can say that I find it more convincing than seventh day adventism. According to the doctrine you promote there's no salvation for any except for the scant few who follow it.
That is a claim you have never been able to prove from the scriptures when asked. For me I prefer the scriptures. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them (Romans 3:4; Acts of the Apostles 5:29). My doctrine is the bible and in it Jesus says the many are called but only the few are the chosen not me. *see Isaiah 1:9; Isaiah 10:20-22; Romans 9:27; Matthew 22:14; Matthew 7:13-23; Revelation 12:17 etc etc...

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Christian universalism has been explained to you on this thread repeatedly by several extremely patient people. If you wish to continue misrepresenting it that's up to you but please don't claim that it is scripture. Scripture is about what is true, not what is false.

Take heart, brother, Jesus himself was at his wits' end trying to get through to the righteous ones who were supremely confident they knew the scriptures (of the letter but lacking the spirit). It's so ironic so many never get that difference, even with all the emphasis in the Gospels. A stultified, wooden reading that leads to death, rather than a dynamic, fluid reading to life.

Lord I pray you help us all overcome the hypocrisy that so easily creeps in and puffs us up.
 
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Take heart, brother, Jesus himself was at his wits' end trying to get through to the righteous ones who were supremely confident they knew the scriptures (of the letter but lacking the spirit). It's so ironic so many never get that difference, even with all the emphasis in the Gospels. A stultified, wooden reading that leads to death, rather than a dynamic, fluid reading to life.

Lord I pray you help us all overcome the hypocrisy that so easily creeps in and puffs us up.
Jesus didn't teach Universalism he taught the opposite.
 
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Jesus didn't teach Universalism he taught the opposite.

Universal damnation? Total blowdown, scorched earth policy? If you say so.

Question: if annihilationism is true, how does it affect the unbeliever? I mean, these folks have already reconciled themselves to 'dead and gone'. So they get to 'do as they wilt' for a lifetime and then the result - with or without God - is the same in that eschatology, is it not?
 
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Yes. I think I have seen both of them. - lol
Perhaps you should take the time to read all the scriptures posted in the OP and page 1 of this thread. It might be helpful to you if you only think there are two scriptures that disagree with Universalism. Pretty much the whole bible is in disagreement from what I can see about the claim that all the wicked will be saved at the second coming.

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Universal damnation? Total blowdown, scorched earth policy? If you say so.
As shown in the scriptures provided in the OP, it is not me that says so, it is God that says so. God's Word does not teach anywhere that the wicked receive eternal life at the second coming after being tortured into repentance and being forced by God to follow him and then receive eternal life. This is the same teaching that has it's origin in the lies spoken by the devil to Eve in Eden in Genesis 3:1-5 in my opinion. The bible teaches no where in the scriptures that the wicked get a second chance at the second coming.
Question: if annihilationism is true, how does it affect the unbeliever? I mean, these folks have already reconciled themselves to 'dead and gone'. So they get to 'do as they wilt' for a lifetime and then the result - with or without God - is the same in that eschatology, is it not?
Scriptures are already provided starting here linked. What do you think these scriptures are saying?

Take Care.
 
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Universalism is Pandora's box as is Satan, where as God is of one mind and one purpose; universalism is an organised destruction of the truth.
It would be good for you to view this unbiased presentation about the three biblical Christian views of the final judgment. (hell)

 
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Jesus came to save us from a predetermined doom.
Did he succeed or fail?

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.
 
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It does nobody any good to come start making accusations, I've just given you foundational tenets of faith which are universalistic in character, In case you missed it, I'll draw you a diagram:
  • The Abrahamic covenant (Genesis 18:18, 22:18)
  • The Koreshic Oath (Isaiah 45:23, Romans 14:11, Philippians 2:9)
  • The Angel's gospel (Luke 2:10-11)
  • The great restoration (Revelation 21:5)
And looky here, a list of 'all nations will be saved' verses:
"All Nations" Verse List - Youth With A Mission
Still, some ppl prefer an emotionally retarded malicious deity who tortures ppl forever or offs their heads because they don't do what he wants. You want to make a god in your own image mate, go ahead. Lord have mercy.
Like the God in 1 Samuel 15:2-3 treats his physical enemies, and will treat his spiritual enemies.

Some people prefer the Scriptures to the doctrines of men, which make God into their own image, agreeing with their own standards, pieties, fancies and preferences.
 
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Christian universalism has been explained to you on this thread repeatedly
by several extremely patient people
. If you wish to continue misrepresenting it that's up to you but please
don't claim that it is scripture. Scripture is about what is true, not what is false.
Agreed. . .UR is not Scripture, "patient explanation" or not.
 
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Take heart, brother, Jesus himself was at his wits' end trying to get through to the righteous ones who were supremely confident they knew the scriptures (of the letter but lacking the spirit). It's so ironic so many never get that difference, even with all the emphasis in the Gospels. A stultified, wooden reading that leads to death, rather than a dynamic, fluid reading to life.
I pray you help us all overcome the hypocrisy that so easily creeps in and puffs us up.
Wow! . . .Physician heal thyself!

First of all, there is no such thing as the "letter of the Scriptures" and the "spirit of the Scriptures" in the Bible (2 Corinthians 3:6).

There is only "the letter" (the written code of the Law) and "the Spirit" (the Holy Spirit of the Law).

It has nothing to do with an outward (by the letter) vs. an inward (by the spirit) obedience, nor a counterfeit vs. a genuine obedience, nor hypocrisy vs. righteousness.

The letter (law) kills because it curses all those who rely on it (Galatians 3:10), because it must be kept perfectly to make one righteous before God, which no one can do, so it condemns every one to death; i.e.,
it kills.
That's life under the Old Covenant:
righteousness by works, which is impossible = judgment/condemnation.

Under the New Covenant, we are not made righteous by law-keeping, but by the new birth of the Holy Spirit, where through faith in the person and work of Jesus Christ, we are justified--declared "not guilty" by God, made right with his justice, reconciled to him, and Jesus' righteousness is reckoned, accounted,
imputed to us, just as God's righteousness (Romans 1:17; Romans 3:21) was credited to Abraham because of faith (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3, Romans 4:5).
That's life under the New Covenant:
righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ = salvation, justification.

The "letter" vs. the "spirit" has nothing to do with counterfeit vs. genuine anything, nor with hypocrisy vs. sincerity in anything. That is a doctrine of self-righteous man.
 
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It would be good for you to view this unbiased presentation about the three biblical Christian views of the final judgment. (hell)
Unconvincing to those who know their Bibles and are Scripturally sound.
 
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Did he succeed or fail?

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

Succeeded!

1 Timothy 4:10 (AV)
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

1 John 2:2 (AV)
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

However:

John 3:18 (AV)
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Not all people are saved.
 
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Not all people are saved.
Have you seen this?

Romans 5:18-19
Consequently, just as one trespass resulted in condemnation for all people, so also one righteous act resulted in justification and life for all people.
19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous.
 
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It would be good for you to view this unbiased presentation about the three biblical Christian views of the final judgment. (hell)

I personally do not believe in the traditional view of hell promoted by the Roman Catholic Church and adopted by mainstream Protestantism, as I also do not believe in the false doctrine of Universalism which I believe has it's origin from Genesis 3:1-5 which is the first lie told to Even in Eden that is we can disobey God and not surely die.

Take Care.
 
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Did he succeed or fail?

1 John 4:14 NIV
And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world.

Which does not mean all the world will choose to believe and be saved...
John 3:36 He that believes on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believes not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abides on him.
 
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The wicked aka non-sabbatarians.
According to the scriptures the wicked are defined as all those who continue in sin and unbelief which is defined in the scriptures are breaking any one of Gods' 10 commandments and not believing and following what Gods' Word says (James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 14:23; Hebrews 11:4; Romans 10:17). You are free to choose to believe whatever you wish as that is between you and God. I prefer the scriptures.
 
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