It seems like everytime a Prog or former speaks their mind, there is some Trad ready to report us.
Welcome to CF Adventist, fundamentalist style, soon to be known as Tradland.
Just a mere taste of what the Progs have endured here for years now.
Do they want to "Dixie Chick" us? (To be "Dixie Chicked" means to be silenced like the Dixie Chicks were when they were banned from the airwaves in 2003 for speaking out against GWB).
Why? I will tell you why. Some of them simply do NOT want us OR our area here. You see, this is not just a discussion forum for some of them Lebesgue. Get any sort of delusions that they want or desire open and free discussion on all things Adventist here, because it simply is not true. In fact, such a premise is laughable. No, free and open discussion is either wanted or desired. Indeed, all views but their own would be censored if some had their way. Not all are this way, but enough of them are, some in key positions, to warrant our concern.
For some of them, this place is merely an apologist instrument, an indoctrination tool, a platform in which they can advertise and endorse TSDAism to the online world.
Simply put, it is a P.R. vehicle for fundamentalist Adventism. And, naturally, we and our area stand in the way of that agenda.
Why do you think we read them wailing and moaning about how the visitors are being 'influenced' and 'corrupted' by our views? Or that visitors are 'confused' by the two strains of Adventism they find here? Really? As if these were mental invalids who did not have the ability to discern and choose for themselves?
As if these two (and MORE) types of Adventism do NOT exist in the church and have for years now?
Do you think it is coincidence that as soon as Crimson expressed her doubts about Adventism a couple of days ago the finger slowly turned to point at us?
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Oh, you had better believe they hold us responsible for that one no matter what anyone says, and even Crimson's protests won't dissuade them from that. And you can bank that they
will get their retaliation in due time.
Why do you think some are so adamant that there is only ONE officially recognized style of Adventism in existence (Trad Adventism) and that there is no such thing as Liberal, Post-Modern, Evangelical or Progressive Adventism? Which is complete baloney, and I can only conclude any Trad who tries to maintain that hogwash has NOT been to the European, Australian and Southern California divisions of the world church.
Why do you think some get into such a snit about us being 'offshopots' and not a part of the Adventist family?
Why do you think some complain about and chafe under the whole issue of the SDA logo and name being used by us?
It's because, my dear friend Lebesgue, they want this place to be a P.R. VEHICLE FOR THE TRADITIONAL SEGMENT OF THE CHURCH.
And they will stop at nothing in thier idealized, dream forum cleansed of any influence whatsoever of anything outside of TSDAism. They have already succeeded in transforming the main forum into that, and you can be sure they intend to use anything, censorship, force or attack to maintain that ideal. They will take out anything that stands in the way of making this whole place into a glistening pinnacle of fundamentalism, a beacon of TSDAism wooing people from all corners of the online forum world.
And you had better believe that number one on thier hit-list are you fellows from CARM. They hate you guys more than they do us, because our influence on visitors will at least not deter them from the church, it might cause them to question certain doctrines (which is a GOOD thing BTW).
You guys pose a very real threat to them in that you will poison visitors to not even consider the SDA church as a viable option whatsoever.
I get accused of personally attacking Ellen White just for saying she should be "relegated to the dustbin of history". HOW is that a personal attack.
It's not brother. Not even remotely.
Don't worry, those of us without a Trad agenda can clearly see it was not.
But if course, that is the Trad M.O. and always has been here.
I gave up long ago trying to convince any of them that I do not 'hate' EGW and that I don't personally 'attack' her. But you will still read some of them levelling the same old charges against me, even after a year of my presence here.
The only problem with this slander is that I do not attack her personally, never have, never will. And they have not and cannot produce one iota of evidence that I have anywhere in the archives of this site.
But still, the same false charge persists even though I am one of the few Progs who has not rejected EGW completely. And while it used to infuriate me to no end, I just laugh about it now, because it is clear that some are just too blind in tier righteous anger to see the difference between attacking her assertions, beliefs and theology and attacking her personally.
The truth is, many Trads here simply don't have a clue what 'attacking' EGW involves. Methinks they need to take a guided tour of CARM or FA forums and then they would have something to bellyache about, eh Lebesgue?
Then I got another report for "inciting" someone from another denomination just for quoting Ellen White's OWN WORDS about other Churches.
Welcome to our world dude. Jump in and join us, the water is fine!
And you have only endured about a month of this, right? Try a YEAR or TWO on for size!
Oy, vey! We just can't win.
None of us can. They will make sure of that.
Have you noticed that I rarely post outside of our area? That is not because I love it so much in here. It is necessary for my forum survival.
They have taken over the whole forum outside of this corner, and this is the last bastion of sanity here for many of us Progs.
Of course, it is only a matter of time until they get our area wiped off this forum. I have no doubt that this is being orchestrated behind the scenes as we speak.
But until then, we can utilize it to our advantage until the last barrier tumbles down and anything outside of TSDAism will be a distant memory on CF. I wouldn't be suprised if, after succeeding in ridding us from this place, they pushed to have any posts or threads in the archives outside of TSDAism deleted and wiped out.
Until then, the strategy they have is to REPORT, REPORT, REPORT in the hopes that something, anything, will stick.
A corporate takeover of our area is not possible at this time, because there are rules that prevent that, so the next best thing is to get us banned one by one.
I am putting this on the Prog forum in hopes that I don't get reported for this now.
Oh, you probably will. There is no place you can escape from thier incessant, petty spite-reporting. But at least in here, you will not have any Trad mods opverseeing your fate.
Just one of the few consessions we Progs were able to formulate and put in place for our survival here.
It's just frustrating.
HA. You're telling me! Get used to that feeling while you are here friend, becuase it will always be there. You learn to live with it though. It's just am matter of clenching your teech and packing it way in the back of your mind. Use that anger at the injustice and use it to slaughter any of the anti-gospel assertions they try to advance. If you stick to the issues, you shouldn;t have a problem. They can report you until the cows come home, but any mod worth thier salt will not give thier cries of [protest the time of day if you just attack beliefs and theology.
Of course, there are always exceptions, as I have discovered more than once. Many Trads cannot distinguish between themselves and thier doctrinal beliefs. The two have melded and fused into one entity. Therefore, just as with EGW, you attack thier theology, you are attacking them to thier minds, which of course is pure nonsense.
The bottom line is that the mods cannot also have that mindset, or you are toast.
