Why they do this?

[ArmyMatt]

I don't need spiritual father. I have friend priest but we allow each other to do everything we want.

"A person who has chosen himself as a spiritual father has chosen a fool and a blind man."

 

[Lawrence87]

I can't change from one spirituality to another. If you know spirituality you will know that it does not change based on what you want or what you are doing. He is not my priest. I don't have priest or spiritual father. He is my friend. But he is saint so he knows what is good for me, no matter of this he never told me do this or that.

And your friend is an ordained priest in the Orthodox Church?

 

[Goodhuman]

Yes.

 

[Not David]

So what's the purpose of this post if you already think they do that because "they are evil"?

 

[Lawrence87]

Yes.

Can I ask why you insist that you don't have a spiritual father, and why instead you chose to call this priest your friend?

I mean I am friendly with my priest, and he knows more about me than many of my friends, but I do not call him my friend I call him father, and I try (and often fail) to act in obedience to what he says.

What makes you think that they are a saint? Do people flock to them? Do they work miracles? If anything sainthood would make you more inclined to want to be their spiritual disciple and follow what they say not less.

 

[Goodhuman]

He is my friend, do you think it is forbidden to have friend?
Anyway.

I can't be disciple to no one, because I am too much spiritual. He tells to everyone that he is my friend I do too, because I am spiritual like himself.

 

[Lawrence87]

He is my friend, do you think it is forbidden to have friend?
Anyway.

I can't be disciple to no one, because I am too much spiritual. He tells to everyone that he is my friend I do too, because I am spiritual like himself.

It's not forbidden to have a friend, but it is rather strange that you consider yourself a friend of a Saint yet you do not wish to be the spiritual disciple of this Saint. If I knew a living Saint I would ask them endless questions on how I ought to live and conduct myself and I would submit myself in utmost obedience to them.

Forgive me for saying this but you are not spiritual, you are deceived if you think you are too good to be obedient to any spiritual father. The greatest of Saints all submitted themselves to obedience, to their spiritual fathers and to the doctrines of the Orthodox Church. You cannot simply claim that you are too spiritual for these things whilst also claiming to be Orthodox.

Forgive me for being frank, but it seems clear to me why this priest would not allow you to kiss his hand, and why he sensed something heretical about you. None of what you have said reflects Orthodox Christian spirituality. Please reconsider your relationship with your "saintly" friend and think about submitting yourself to a standard relationship with a spiritual father as defined by the Orthodox Church. You seem quite lost if you claim to be Orthodox yet you say your "sanctified" priest friend lets you do what you want, and that you are too spiritual for such things as obedience, and the Orthodox way of doing things.

If I may ask, what jurisdiction does your priest friend come under?

 

[prodromos]

And your friend is an ordained priest in the Orthodox Church?

Goodhuman also claims to be an Orthodox priest. FYI

 

[Lawrence87]

Goodhuman also claims to be an Orthodox priest. FYI

You mean in spite of this?

Because when I marry they will try to sepetate us.

So they are a priest but are not yet married, and therefore should be celibate and not looking to marry...

If what you are saying is correct, then there is some rather severe confusion and deception going on here.

Perhaps we can offer him our prayers

 

[buzuxi02]

It seems that you have some psychological issues. I'm not saying this to be rude but you are just imagining that people are giving you the evil eye or cutting you when waiting in line etc.

 

[Goodhuman]

I don't have psychological issues, just I see things so!

 

[Goodhuman]

I made a topic to complain, but you are talking against me!

 

[Lawrence87]

I made a topic to complain, but you are talking against me!

Forgive me for talking against you, however I am genuinely concerned about you. I don't think that the things you are saying are indicative of being on the right spiritual path in terms of Orthodoxy. I don't wish to berate you, but I do wish to help you. Please consider talking to the priest at this Orthodox church you visited and ask him for help and guidance. I will keep you in my prayers

 

[ArmyMatt]

I made a topic to complain, but you are talking against me!

no one is talking against you. this is just a bizarre thread with some concerning posts.