Why the Protestant view of the Cross is wrong.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MamaZ

What is the protestant view of the cross again?
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The wrong one, evidently

If you ask them as a whole: Confusing.

according to who?

Lol! If my view of the cross is wrong then i dont want to be right.

Amazing Grace


Amazing Grace (My Chains are Gone) - Chris Tomlin (with lyrics) - YouTube

Take your pick

I would say those who take tradition over the truth of Scripture..

That'd be everyone.

Tradition rules in every denomination and in every church and even in every cult and strange sect.

Like protestants don't have tradition. Baptism as an outward sign (no scripture) The Lord's Supper just a memorial(no scripture) Pre-trib rapture (no real scripture) Dispensations of time (no scripture) Altar calls (no scripture) The sinner's prayer (no scripture)
Ya got tradition a plenty.

I got your back brother

Fiddler on the roof - Tradition ( with subtitles ) - YouTube

Btw, when are the RC and EO Denominations ever going to and make up

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381842-12/#post52251942

Originally Posted by ProScribe

I'm not sure if Catholics are actually heretics.
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Pro-Scribe - you are Orthodox - correct ?

Then , according to Orthodoxy , Catholics are indeed heretics

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[Fireinfolding]

The cross worn around the neck is indeed a reminder and martyria (witness) of/to exactly this: to pick up our cross and follow Him. It also is a witness to Christ Himself


(A young man was martyred in the 90s for refusing to take off his cross; in this he refused to deny Christ.)

I am actually talking about what Jesus meant when he said pick up your cross. That he didn't mean pick up a gold or silver one and wear it for eye candy around your neck.

Take up his cross daily, dying daily, bearing about the dying of the Lord in the body

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

You can do that without silver or gold, Peter didn't have any of that.

 

[sunlover1]

If only some folk would stop and consider their words before they voice them.

Yes, they should speak as the very oracles of God.

Many a Christian has borne suffering in injury and illness and done so as a testimony to God's grace in them. As a result of such testimonies many have come to the faith.

People come to God through drug addictions too
but that doesn't mean God desires that they
be drug addicts either. HE bore my sickness.
Beat beyond recognition, that I might be healed
Healing is the children's bread and I'm His child.

But he was wounded for our transgressions,
he was bruised for our iniquities:
the chastisement of our peace was upon him;
and with his stripes we are healed.

We're not told to live with it,
here's what we are told:
Is any sick among you?
let him call for the elders of the church;
and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord...

Then it says what the outcome WILL be:
And the prayer of faith SHALL save the sick,
and the Lord SHALL raise him up..


We need to do what He says,
lay hands on the sick
ALL of the promises of God
are yes and amen, in Him

 

[Thekla]

An illness is not a choice.
You're welcome to embrace it, but it's not a choice for you
to either pick up or put down.
Me, I don't embrace it, I embrace liberty in all things.

My immediate mortality, and even my coming into being, neither of these are my choice.

I can "pick up" the fact of my existence and, in giving it to God have it filled - or I can see this life as a drudgery and misery.

Liberty is not a freedom from this or that; it is Christ. And the freedom of Christ exists despite any particular (external) encumbrance - physical, social, political, economic. The freedom of Christ transcends our death - even though we do die. We all die; but through Christ, death has lost its 'sting'. Illness, like death, is a result of the Fall; include also in this the passions. None of these need "own us" if we turn to be 'owned' by Christ.

 

[sunlover1]

My immediate mortality, and even my coming into being, neither of these are my choice.

I can "pick up" the fact of my existence and, in giving it to God have it filled - or I can see this life as a drudgery and misery.

Liberty is not a freedom from this or that; it is Christ. And the freedom of Christ exists despite any particular (external) encumbrance - physical, social, political, economic. The freedom of Christ transcends our death - even though we do die. We all die; but through Christ, death has lost its 'sting'. Illness, like death, is a result of the Fall; include also in this the passions. None of these need "own us" if we turn to be 'owned' by Christ.

Have a good day

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

My immediate mortality, and even my coming into being, neither of these are my choice.

I can "pick up" the fact of my existence and, in giving it to God have it filled - or I can see this life as a drudgery and misery.

Liberty is not a freedom from this or that; it is Christ. And the freedom of Christ exists despite any particular (external) encumbrance - physical, social, political, economic. The freedom of Christ transcends our death - even though we do die. We all die; but through Christ, death has lost its 'sting'. Illness, like death, is a result of the Fall; include also in this the passions.

None of these need "own us" if we turn to be 'owned' by Christ.

No greater "Owner" than our Lord and Savior, Jesus the Christ

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
Strong's Number G1203 matches the Greek δεσπότης (despotēs), which occurs 10 times in 10 verses in the Greek concordance

Act 4:24
And when they heard it, they lifted their voices together to God and said, "Sovereign Lord/Master/Owner!
Who made the heaven and the land and the sea and everything in them,

2Pe 2:1
But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies,
even denying the Master/Owner who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Rev 6:10
and they were crying with a great voice, saying, "Till when! O Master/Owner, the Holy and the True,
dost Thou not judge and take vengeance of our blood from those dwelling upon the land?'

1203. despotes des-pot'-ace perhaps from 1210 and posis (a husband); an absolute ruler ("despot"):--Lord, master.




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[Thekla]

I am actually talking about what Jesus meant when he said pick up your cross. That he didn't mean pick up a gold or silver one and wear it for eye candy around your neck.

Take up his cross daily, dying daily, bearing about the dying of the Lord in the body

If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

You can do that without silver or gold, Peter didn't have any of that.

You can, for sure, do that without wearing a cross.

Neither does the wearing of a cross negate the taking up of one's cross; not at all.

For those who do not love Christ, the wearing of a cross is an offense (and any display of the cross, as it is a reminder of Jesus) - this is demonstrated by the martyrdom of Evgeny Rodionov (beheaded for refusing to remove his baptismal cross in 1996, on his 19th birthday).

Taking up one's cross, and to bear witness to Christ -- this is the meaning in the wearing of the cross.

 

[Thekla]

Have a good day

God bless you this day, sis !
God with us, and glory to Him +

 

[Thekla]

You are right. The cross (or crucifix) worn by a Christian is not "eye candy" and it can be a most costly witness leading to martyrdom in some cases - it ought not to be ridiculed as some have.

In the west among some groups wearing a cross may well be "eye candy" but we need not base our practise on what the world does to cheapen the sufferings of Christ.

 

[Rev Randy]

Btw, when are the RC and EO Denominations ever going to and make up

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381842-12/#post52251942





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As soon as they stop the BINGO gaming.

 

[MoreCoffee]

As soon as they stop the BINGO gaming.

We don't bingo!

And stop letting LLoJ set the agenda

 

[sunlover1]

Pick it up daily, not put one around your neck as eye candy?

I know what you mean!!
Some...MANY people I know wear a cross on their neck and
it's too bad because their actions are so ugly.
So then folks see that cross and assume that the naughty
wearer represents Christ.

I have a beautiful expensive cross necklace, that was given
to me by my kids, and I have not worn it in over a year
because I'd heard folks liken it to any weapon of death...
which soured me to it...

But lately I've been wearing a ring that has a cross on it. A ring
that was my son's when he was a teenager. Missing my son
who lives far away and also proudly displaying my belief in
Jesus..
So for me it's a toss up.

 

[Rev Randy]

You can, for sure, do that without wearing a cross.

Neither does the wearing of a cross negate the taking up of one's cross; not at all.

For those who do not love Christ, the wearing of a cross is an offense (and any display of the cross, as it is a reminder of Jesus) - this is demonstrated by the martyrdom of Evgeny Rodionov (beheaded for refusing to remove his baptismal cross in 1996, on his 19th birthday).

Taking up one's cross, and to bear witness to Christ -- this is the meaning in the wearing of the cross.

QFT

 

[Rev Randy]

We don't bingo!

And stop letting LLoJ set the agenda

It sounded better than: When they join the EO

 

[Fireinfolding]

You can, for sure, do that without wearing a cross.

Neither does the wearing of a cross negate the taking up of one's cross; not at all.

For those who do not love Christ, the wearing of a cross is an offense (and any display of the cross, as it is a reminder of Jesus) - this is demonstrated by the martyrdom of Evgeny Rodionov (beheaded for refusing to remove his baptismal cross in 1996, on his 19th birthday).

Taking up one's cross, and to bear witness to Christ -- this is the meaning in the wearing of the cross.

Not for those who don't love Jesus Christ don't pick it up and follow him (denying themselves) And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample. For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ:

Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.

The mafia wears crosses, making a vain shew is easy of the cross. Looky, I have a cross around my neck... that type thing.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It sounded better than: When they join the EO

Now you're being naughty!

God willing, one day, perhaps in our life time, there will be unity.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

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Btw, when are the RC and EO Denominations ever going to and make up

http://www.christianforums.com/t7381.../#post52251942
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As soon as they stop the BINGO gaming.

We don't bingo!

And stop letting LLoJ set the agenda

Aw, come on now...all types of Christians play bingo

 

[Rev Randy]

Now you're being naughty!

God willing, one day, perhaps in our life time, there will be unity.

I'm not as worried as some. If both you and I are found worthy of heaven, we will be in complete agreement in the presence of our Lord.
For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
Hope that overshadows my naughtiness.
Now REPENT of that BINGO you do not play, and pass the Single Malt.

 

[kellhus]

I dislike the traditional Protestant view of crucifixion because it always over simplifies it into just "BABY JESUS WAS OUR ANIMAL SACRIFICE!!!!" And takes no notice of other views like Christus Victor. As if penal substitution is the only possible reality there.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I always appreciate neutral newbies views