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If you wish to keep the Law, then you must keep all 613 laws.
So then every person would need forgiveness.
Romans 3:23
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Matthew 6:15
But if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
There's also no scripture to support it is on the Sabbath. However historical accounts of the early church have always viewed Sunday as the Lord's Day and it is a name only used once in the Bible. To this day it is the word of "Sunday" in Greek, "Kyriake" meaning "Lord's Day" or more properly "Lord's [assembly]". The remainder of the days are counting their positions Monday is second, Tuesday is third, Wednesday is fourth and Thursday is fifth. This leaves Friday in the position of sixth but it is called perpartion day and Sunday in the position of first, but called Lord's Day as well as Saturday as Sabbath.Not really. There is no scripture that says the Lords day is the first day. I think we need to be careful adding words to scriptures that are not there. Gods Sabbath is not a celebration of His rest. God told us what His Sabbath is and its the day we are supposed to keep Holy every seventh day.
I already provided the scripture, they are God's Words not mine.There's also no scripture to support it is on the Sabbath. However historical accounts of the early church have always viewed Sunday as the Lord's Day and it is a name only used once in the Bible. To this day it is the word of "Sunday" in Greek, "Kyriake" meaning "Lord's Day" or more properly "Lord's [assembly]". The remainder of the days are counting their positions Monday is second, Tuesday is third, Wednesday is fourth and Thursday is fifth. This leaves Friday in the position of sixth but it is called perpartion day and Sunday in the position of first, but called Lord's Day as well as Saturday as Sabbath.
The term for the day occurs once in the bible Rev 1:10 where Thayers Greek Lexicon defines it as
2. relating to the Lord, ἡ κυριακῇ ἡμέρα, the day devoted to the Lord, sacred to the memory of Christ's resurrection, Revelation 1:10
We also know the early Church valued Sunday gathering from scripture to what extent is not clear but Sunday explictly stands out. Revelation is a later work of the NT so it would make sense it carries a more evolved name for the day, where the other references of Sunday worship 1 Cor 16:2 and Acts 20:7 just uses "first" or "one" consistent with the naming of current Greek names of the week where clearly the first day was renamed at one time.
The Didache mentions the Lord's day in reference to gathering and breaking bread, consistent with Acts 20:7. Although ambigious without context evidence would support the intended day is Sunday.
Although broadly those who value the Sabbath tend to ascribe the Lord's Day with the Sabbath this is a new interpretation. Yes sabbath keepers have been around since the beginning but their groups have been too insignficate to contribute to this conversation from early accounts and only modern perspective are what's claiming this and historical accounts to not support this.
Ok, so what day is that? - the third day. Evening to evening is a day in bible time (Genesis 1).
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Was Luke uninspired and needs to be moved to the Apocrypha?
the early church jumped to these conclusions as well. I'm not sure how calling a day of the week the Lord's day incorrectly from its biblical usage can be called sinful except if it's being used to identify the Sabbath (then I understand that). However, hypothetically, if an individual were to separate the Lord's day from the Sabbath what sin is being committed if they incorrectly identity the Lord's day from its biblical counterpart? (which is limited Rev 1:10). it seems to put a lot on a single verse. I missed your scriptural support too, can you repost it?I already provided the scripture, they are God's Words not mine.
The argument here is that the Lord rose on the first day, Sunday and many have jumped to conclusion that because the Lord rose on the first day it automatically means its the "Lords day" despite the scriptures being totally silent that anything changed with Gods Sabbath. You can't have it both ways, God said His seventh day is Holy and the Sabbath, the seventh day Jesus rested in His tomb and rose the first day, so the Sabbath is exactly the seventh day (Saturday) God commanded us to keep Holy. There is no Biblical scripture that supports Sunday is the Lords day, or His Sabbath, or should be a day of worship. These are all traditions of man Jesus warns us about. Matthew 15:8-9
Time and again you've been informed that the Sabbath was NOT changed.The argument here is that the Lord rose on the first day, Sunday and many have jumped to conclusion that because the Lord rose on the first day it automatically means its the "Lords day" despite the scriptures being totally silent that anything changed with Gods Sabbath.
the early church jumped to these conclusions as well. I'm not sure how calling a day of the week the Lord's day incorrectly from its biblical usage can be called sinful except if it's being used to identify the Sabbath (then I understand that). However, hypothetically, if an individual were to separate the Lord's day from the Sabbath what sin is being committed if they incorrectly identity the Lord's day from its biblical counterpart? (which is limited Rev 1:10). it seems to put a lot on a single verse. I missed your scriptural support too, can you repost it?
Please share where God informed us that He gave permission to the church to change the principle day of worship. This is all speculation made by man, not from God's Word. Proverbs 30:5-6 God told us He is unchanging Hebrews 13:8. I believe Him. Jesus also warned us not to keep commandments of men, I believe Jesus. Mathew 15 8-9 I choose to obey God's commandments and not mans. You are free to believe as you wish and we will have to agree to disagree.Time and again you've been informed that the Sabbath was NOT changed.
God's word informs us of the fact that the Church he founded made Sunday the principal day of worship (for obvious reasons), not that the Sabbath was moved.
As you are aware, it's been posted numerous times. The "problem" is that some people and denominations talk as though they do not consider all of the Bible to be God's word and persist in arguing as though only the Old Testament was divinely inspired. Yet, if that were the case, they could hardly believe in Jesus of Nazareth, since the totality of his public ministry is recorded in the New, not the Old, Testament books.Please share where God informed us that He gave permission to the church to change the principle day of worship.
those are verses about the Sabbath day. I'm referring to the scriptural support that identifies the Lord's day as the Sabbath day. I get the impression you are defending this idea that the Sabbath has not moved to Sunday. If that's so I agree with you and it's scripturally unsupported and there isn't a single place in the bible that suggests that, however, that's not what I'm saying. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, the day of rest, the 7th day. The Lord's day is the day Christ resurrected, it is on the first day of the week, the modern-day of Sunday. Scripture does support the early church worshiping on the first day of the week (and Christ did rise on the first day) also historically the early church worshiped on the first day of the week and it was called the Lord's day, it has always been called that and still is in Greek. Literally, the word for Sunday in Greek is the Lord's day. There is no explicit verse in the bible that says the Lord's day is Sunday but mainly because it's not a common line in the bible. It is mentioned once, and it's the last book written.Here again are God's Words that He both wrote and spoke, Considering the Ten is the only written scripture we have written by God, I would consider it the most sacred and that's why the covenant was kept in the most holy of holy in the ark.
Exodus 20
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
These verses written and spoke by God are very powerful to me.
The first verse says to keep the Sabbath Holy. If you notice it doesn't say a Sabbath, meaning the Sabbath is the only Holy day according to the Words of God. He also says six days we should do all our work. Jesus rose on the first day, so according to God that is not "The Lords day" that is a working day. Than He said the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. The Sabbath is a day (every seventh day, Saturday) and God said it is the day of the Lord your God. God is telling us very clearly that it is the Lords day. And lastly, He asked us to REMEMBER His Holy Sabbath because God is all knowing He gave that extra reminder so we would not disregard this very important commandment that He knew we would forget. You are free to believe as you wish, but I believe this was written so clearly, there could be no confusion on which day God wants us to keep Holy. He said His Sabbath is a perpetual covenant Exodus 31:16 God told us He is unchanging Hebrews 13:8 which is why every Sabbath we will worship Him on the New Earth Isaiah 66:23. God bless
So words like "Holy" "Sacred" "Hallow" "Sanctify" and "Blessed" are not worthy of worship (despite Isaiah 66:23) and the Sabbath of the Lord your God, but a day God defined as a day to do all our work and labor would be better suited for worship?those are verses about the Sabbath day. I'm referring to the scriptural support that identifies the Lord's day as the Sabbath day. I get the impression you are defending this idea that the Sabbath has not moved to Sunday. If that's so I agree with you and it's scripturally unsupported and there isn't a single place in the bible that suggests that, however, that's not what I'm saying. The Sabbath is the Sabbath, the day of rest, the 7th day. The Lord's day is the day Christ resurrected, it is on the first day of the week, the modern-day of Sunday. Scripture does support the early church worshiping on the first day of the week (and Christ did rise on the first day) also historically the early church worshiped on the first day of the week and it was called the Lord's day, it has always been called that and still is in Greek. Literally, the word for Sunday in Greek is the Lord's day. There is no explicit verse in the bible that says the Lord's day is Sunday but mainly because it's not a common line in the bible. It is mentioned once, and it's the last book written.
I get you have a strong identity with the name of the Lord's day with the Sabbath and so any suggestion that the Lord's day is on a different day feels like an attack on the Sabbath. It's not and that's not what I intend it to be. Historically speaking the Lord's day is without question on Sunday. The single biblical reference is ambiguous but the bible does support the early church valuing Sunday as a day to gather. I accept your desire to call the Sabbath the Lord's day and that it fits that day but this is more of a recent change that is unsupported throughout history. It's a none issue to me if you want to call the Sabbath the Lord's day but it is an issue if you reject the day I call the Lord's day simply because you want it to be the Sabbath. I don't share that identity with the name and I'm not attacking the Sabbath day so I'm confused about what the issue is?
I do believe all of the Bible and Gods Words. I also believe the fact that the Bible is silent on Sunday being anything but a "working day" according to the Words of God I think its important to not assume, jump to conclusions when God spelled out so clearly which day is Sacred. We are to follow Jesus and He never said anything about Sunday being a day of worship. In fact He kept all of His Fathers commandments and asked us to as well. John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love. Like I said, I will continue to follow Gods Words and Jesus example and He gave us all free will, so we will have to agree to disagree. God bless.As you are aware, it's been posted numerous times. The "problem" is that some people and denominations talk as though they do not consider all of the Bible to be God's word and persist in arguing as though only the Old Testament was divinely inspired. Yet, if that were the case, they could hardly believe in Jesus of Nazareth, since the totality of his public ministry is recorded in the New, not the Old, Testament books.
Except that the Bible is not silent about that.I do believe all of the Bible and Gods Words. I also believe the fact that the Bible is silent on Sunday being anything but a "working day" according to the Words of God I think its important to not assume, jump to conclusions when God spelled out so clearly which day is Sacred.
I don't call the Sabbath the Lord's Day. I call Sunday the Lord's Day. How in anyway does that defile what you just said? You seem to be defending this idea that the Lord's Day must be the Sabbath and any other position is an attack on the Sabbath. What support do you have that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath? Cause the only support you've given is that the Sabbath is the Sabbath.So words like "Holy" "Sacred" "Hallow" "Sanctify" and "Blessed" are not worthy of worship (despite Isaiah 66:23) and the Sabbath of the Lord your God, but a day God defined as a day to do all our work and labor would be better suited for worship?
Silent about what? That there is no scripture that shows us Sunday is the "Lords day" ? I agree with that. Most of the early churches did as well and that's why almost every denomination admits the principle day of worship should be Saturday/Sabbath and the change was a commandment from the Roman Catholic church. (man)Except that the Bible is not silent about that.
You are free to call whatever day you want, but God said Sunday, the first day was not "The Lords day" but a working day. Your disagreement is with God's Words, not mine. God bless.I don't call the Sabbath the Lord's Day. I call Sunday the Lord's Day. How in anyway does that defile what you just said? You seem to be defending this idea that the Lord's Day must be the Sabbath and any other position is an attack on the Sabbath. What support do you have that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath? Cause the only support you've given is that the Sabbath is the Sabbath.
I also believe the fact that the Bible is silent on Sunday being anything but a "working day" according to the Words of God....
Except that the Bible is not silent about that.
Silent about what?
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