WHY THE LORD'S DAY IS NOT SATURDAY

[StephenMosesDioscorus]

The Eastern Orthodox and the Oriental Orthodox continue to honor the Sabbath to this day, so I believe you are mistaken in your above claims

Saturday sabbath, to my knowledge, is only a custom in the Ethiopic tradition (i. e. Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox)

 

[prodromos]

Saturday sabbath, to my knowledge, is only a custom in the Ethiopic tradition (i. e. Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox)

The Ethiopian Orthodox keep the Sabbath along with the Lord's day. They don't just honor the Sabbath as the other Orthodox Christians do.

 

[JSRG]

The Ethiopian Orthodox keep the Sabbath along with the Lord's day. They don't just honor the Sabbath as the other Orthodox Christians do.

Do they keep the Sabbath? (I interpret "keep the Sabbath" as "rest on the Sabbath" so if you mean something else that might change things). I know they did in the past (or at least some did), but do they still in the present? It's tricky to find direct information from them in English, but I did find this website of an Ethiopian Orthodox Church that's in Canada:

Beliefs and Origins - Order of Calendar | Keraneyo MedhaneAlem

www.keraneyo-medhanealem.com

1. Saturday (Sabbath)- Qadamit Sanbat

The celebration of Saturdays is the Order of the Old Testament. (Ex. 20:8). In the era of the New Testament the Orthodox Church teaches that the observance of Saturdays should not be as strict as that of the Jews. “Christians should not be idle on the Sabbath like the Jews.” But they should work as Christians. (Fetha Negest 19).

2. Sunday (Christian’s Sabbath)

Sunday is the day on which Our Lord and Saviour Eyesus Christos rose from the dead. It is, “The Day of Our Lord” in the New Testament. (Rev. 1:10; 1Cor. 16:1). “He celebrated it (Sunday), adored it, made it the day of light and of all days he glorified it,” (Saint Yared’s Degua Ze Fasika).

“And our rest is not to sleep like a suffering one in his disease, but to watch day and night that we may show our love for this day.” On this basis, the Church teaches the people to celebrate or observe Sunday by going to church to pray, give alms to the poor, visit the sick, and settle quarrels, as written in the Liturgy of Athanasius.

Now maybe this isn't how the rest of the church feels, it is the website of only one parish rather than from something higher up, but it's the most clear statement I could find in English from an official Ethiopian Orthodox Church source, and it denies requirement of resting on the Sabbath.

 

[BeyondET]

As for Genesis 2:1-3, it does not make any mention at all about how long the Sabbath will last:

And so the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their heavenly [a]lights. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because on it He rested from all His work which God had created [b]and made

Hi there I got to thinking about just this part about how long something will last. It's interesting question really.

Scripture does say God sanctified it, which means set apart as to make holy.

So can something set apart holy by God end up being unsanctified not lasting?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Do they keep the Sabbath? (I interpret "keep the Sabbath" as "rest on the Sabbath"

Thats part of it but this is what God said....

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

I know they did in the past (or at least some did), but do they still in the present? It's tricky to find direct information from them in English, but I did find this website of an Ethiopian Orthodox Church that's in Canada:

Beliefs and Origins - Order of Calendar | Keraneyo MedhaneAlem

www.keraneyo-medhanealem.com

1. Saturday (Sabbath)- Qadamit Sanbat

The celebration of Saturdays is the Order of the Old Testament. (Ex. 20:8). In the era of the New Testament the Orthodox Church teaches that the observance of Saturdays should not be as strict as that of the Jews. “Christians should not be idle on the Sabbath like the Jews.” But they should work as Christians. (Fetha Negest 19).

2. Sunday (Christian’s Sabbath)

Sunday is the day on which Our Lord and Saviour Eyesus Christos rose from the dead. It is, “The Day of Our Lord” in the New Testament. (Rev. 1:10; 1Cor. 16:1). “He celebrated it (Sunday), adored it, made it the day of light and of all days he glorified it,” (Saint Yared’s Degua Ze Fasika).

“And our rest is not to sleep like a suffering one in his disease, but to watch day and night that we may show our love for this day.” On this basis, the Church teaches the people to celebrate or observe Sunday by going to church to pray, give alms to the poor, visit the sick, and settle quarrels, as written in the Liturgy of Athanasius.

Now maybe this isn't how the rest of the church feels, it is the website of only one parish rather than from something higher up, but it's the most clear statement I could find in English from an official Ethiopian Orthodox Church source, and it denies requirement of resting on the Sabbath.

It's always concerning to me when churches have statements of beliefs that cannot be found in scripture. Rev 1:10 does not reference in any way the first day and this is a misapplication of the Text. The only factual statement is Jesus rose on the first day, but never did Jesus tell anyone after He rose that it changed any of the commandments of God and instead of keeping God's Sabbath commandment and God's holy day the He deemed Genesis 2:1-3, Exodus 20:10, Mark 2:28, Isaiah 58:13 to now start worshipping on another day only to go back to Sabbath worship on the New Heaven and New Earth Isaiah 66:23. We do not serve a changing God or a God of confusion, which is why God said "Remember" because He knew people would forget.

 

[trophy33]

Thats part of it but this is what God said....

Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And let us all remember that "you" in this quote means ancient Israel. We are not the original audience/readers of the book of Exodus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And let us all remember that "you" in this quote means ancient Israel. We are not the original audience/readers of the book of Exodus.

God said:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Repeated verbatim from Jermiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

God has one people, and His people keep His commandments. Revelation 14:12

Jesus understood what the law in the heart meant as He and God are One and Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments and condemned those who transgressed them.

Matthew 15: 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Exodus 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Jesus understood what the law in the heart means and kept all the commandments of God John 15:10 including remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy Luke 4:16 and Jesus is our example to follow 1 John 2:6 who never changed any of His Fathers commandments and sinned.

 

[Leaf473]

God doesn't change, but his instructions do.

Do sacrifice animals, don't sacrifice animals.
Don't carry a sword, do carry a sword.

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day." Most Christians have taken that to mean Sunday.

 

[trophy33]

God said:

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Repeated verbatim from Jermiah 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

Jesus understood what this meant as He and God are One and Jesus taught from the Ten Commandments and condemned those who transgressed them.

Matthew 15: 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Exodus 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Jesus understand what the law in the heart meant and kept all the commandments of God John 15:10 including remembering the Sabbath and keeping it holy Luke 4:16 and Jesus is our example to follow John 2:6 who never changed any of His Fathers commandments and sinned.

What are you trying to say? That keeping the Sabbath is written on the hearts of Christians? It is not, obviously.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What are you trying to say? That keeping the Sabbath is written on the hearts of Christians? It is not, obviously.

Jesus never told us to take the wide path.....we can either follow God's word or follow man's traditions. Jesus told us which path to take. Matthew 15:3-9

Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

His Word is a light to our path Psalms 119:105 and its the only safe path to follow.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

 

[trophy33]

Jesus never told us to take the wide path.....we can either follow God's word or follow man's traditions. Jesus told us which path to take. Matthew 15:3-9

Matthew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

His Word is a light to our path Psalms 119:105 and its the only safe path to follow.

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

There is no God's word that Christians are to keep Sabbath. It was told only to ancient Israel. So your post is not true.

You are simply jumping from one era to another, from one audience to another, at will.

 

[Petros2015]

God doesn't change, but his instructions do.

Do sacrifice animals, don't sacrifice animals.
Don't carry a sword, do carry a sword.

"To whom much is given, much will be required"
His Nature didn't change between to one to whom little was given
and the one to whom much was given
But the instructions were different

Likewise, the same King can give different instructions for different circumstances
To prepare for a wedding
And to prepare for a siege
And still remain the same King

 

[Leaf473]

What are you trying to say? That keeping the Sabbath is written on the hearts of Christians? It is not, obviously.

That's right, and we wouldn't be deceived about it, either.

Bible Gateway passage: Jeremiah 31:34 - New International Reader's Version

They will not need to teach their neighbor anymore. And they will not need to teach one another anymore. They will not need to say, ‘Know the LORD.’ That’s because everyone will know me. From the least important of them to the most important, all of them will know me,” announces the LORD. “I...

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[SabbathBlessings]

There is no God's word that Christians are to keep Sabbath. It was told only to ancient Israel. So your post is not true.

There is no commandment to keep the first day holy, or God blessed or sanctified the first day, but there is at theme throughout the entire bible to keep the commandments of God and the Sabbath is a commandment of God despites people's objection to this commandment.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

One of the last scriptures in the Bible right before the Revelation of Jesus Christ

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 breaking any of His commandments). We are told those who keep not His commandments there is no truth 1 John 2:3-4 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

You are simply jumping from one era to another, from one audience to another, at will.

Not according to Jesus

Matthew 15: 3 He answered and said to them, “Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition? 4 For God commanded, saying, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; (Exodus 20:12) and, ‘He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.’ 5 But you say, ‘Whoever says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me is a gift to God”— 6 then he need not honor his father or mother.’ Thus you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying:

8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth,
And honor Me with their lips,
But their heart is far from Me.
9 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of

And still what defines sin when breaking

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

 

[trophy33]

There is no commandment to keep the first day holy, or God blessed or sanctified the first day, but there is at theme throughout the entire bible to keep the commandments of God and the Sabbath is a commandment of God despites people's objection to this commandment.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

One of the last scriptures in the Bible right before the Revelation of Jesus Christ

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15 But outside are dogs and sorcerers (Breaking commandment #1 Exodus 20:3) and sexually immoral (breaking commandment #7 Exodus 20:14) and murderers (breaking commandment #6 Exodus 20:13) and idolaters (breaking commandment #2 Exodus 20:4-6), and whoever loves and practices a lie (breaking # 9 Exodus 20:16 breaking any of His commandments). We are told those who keep not His commandments there is no truth 1 John 2:3-4 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

There is no commandment of God to Christians to keep either Sabbath or Sunday.

If there were, you would quote it already. But so far you found it only in the Old Covenant given to ancient Israel.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

There is no commandment of God to Christians to keep either Sabbath or Sunday.

If there was, you would quote it already. But so far you found it only in the Old Covenant given to ancient Israel.

We have free will to ignore the scriptures that addressed this

 

[trophy33]

We have free will to ignore the scriptures that addressed this

You have provided no relevant Scripture.

 

[Freth]

There is no commandment of God to Christians to keep either Sabbath or Sunday.

If there were, you would quote it already. But so far you found it only in the Old Covenant given to ancient Israel.

Matthew 5: Not to destroy.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.​

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.​

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.​

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Notes:​

1. What's the opposite of destroy? Antonyms of destroy: build, reconstruct, preserve, restore, raise
2. Not one jot or tittle pretty much negates any change in the law whatsoever.
3. Keep the commandments and teach others to keep them.
4. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 12: Sabbath observance vs tradition.

1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.​

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.​

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;​

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?​

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?​

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.​

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.​

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​

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Notes:​

1. Jesus makes it a point to call Himself Lord of the Sabbath day.
2. If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, then He has utmost authority concerning the Sabbath.
3. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 15: Commandment observance vs tradition.

3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?​

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Notes:​

1. Transgression of the commandment of God = commandments are still binding.
2. This is an important lesson for those who would put tradition over the word of God.
   1. Sunday is not commanded anywhere in scripture, thus it is a tradition of men.
   2. Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
3. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 19: Commandment keeping and love combined.

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?​

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,​

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?​

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Notes:​

1. Jesus said keep the commandments, an all encompassing statement. He is referring to the Ten Commandments, as we see in the next verse when He quotes the Ten Commandments.
2. Jesus only quoting four of the Ten does not negate the other six, especially considering the fact that Jesus observed the Sabbath in life and death, and taught commandment observance.
3. Jesus is quoting the Old Testament. Exodus 20 (Ten Commandments), Leviticus 19:18 (love your neighbor). These were not new concepts.
4. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 22: All the law and the prophets hang on love.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

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Notes:​

1. All the law and the prophets hang on love.
2. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Revelation 22: Commandment keeping upheld.

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.​

15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.​

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15 (Amplified) Outside are the dogs [the godless, the impure, those of low moral character] and the sorcerers [with their intoxicating drugs, and magic arts], and the immoral persons [the perverted, the molesters, and the adulterers], and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying (deception, cheating).​

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Notes:​

1. Do his commandments.
2. Conditional to the tree of life and entering the city.
3. Outside the city are sinners who break the Ten Commandments (murder, idolatry, bearing false witness) and practice abominations to God.
4. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Conclusion

Keep the commandments of God, as Jesus taught throughout His ministry and from heaven. The Ten Commandments, of which includes the Sabbath commandment—the one that says remember and to keep holy.

 

[trophy33]

Matthew 5

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.​

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.​

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.​

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.​

1. What's the opposite of destroy? Antonyms of destroy: build, reconstruct, preserve, restore, raise
2. Not one jot or tittle pretty much negates any change in the law whatsoever.
3. Keep the commandments and teach others to keep them.
4. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 12, Jesus is observing the Sabbath as are His disciples.

1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.​

2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.​

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;​

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?​

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?​

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.​

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.​

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.​

1. Jesus makes it a point to call Himself Lord of the Sabbath day.
2. If Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, then He has utmost authority concerning the Sabbath.
3. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 19

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?​

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.​

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,​

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?​

1. Jesus said keep the commandments, an all encompassing statement. He is referring to the Ten Commandments, as we see in the next verse when He quotes the Ten Commandments.
2. Jesus only quoting four of the Ten does not negate the other six, especially considering the fact that Jesus observed the Sabbath in life and death, and taught commandment observance.
3. Jesus is quoting the Old Testament. Exodus 20 (Ten Commandments), Leviticus 19:18 (love your neighbor). These were not new concepts.
4. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Matthew 22 solidifies the law and the prophets.

On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.​

1. Nowhere do we see Jesus negating any commandment of the Ten. Instead, we see the law upheld.

Conclusion

Keep the commandments of God, as Jesus taught throughout His ministry. The Ten Commandments, of which includes the Sabbath.

What is your point, exactly? I guess these possible points:
a) You believe that the heaven and earth passing Jesus mentioned is something literal and still in the future
b) You believe that Jesus instructions to Jews before his death and resurrection apply still today (I noticed you had quite a hard time to find any instruction regarding keeping the Sabbath, though, you found only the opposite)
c) You believe that the Law given to Jews was given to the whole world

Is it so? If its so, you may try to prove it.

 

[HIM]

What are you trying to say? That keeping the Sabbath is written on the hearts of Christians? It is not, obviously.

Or it is and ignored it so they grieved the Spirit away in that respect.