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The EO IS The Early Church! The EO of today is the direct descendant! Our first Bishops, our first being James in Jerusalem, were all Jewish until 135 AD.I cannot find any relevant sources about EOC or OOC keeping or honoring Sabbath. Anyway, the context was the early church.
I believe you but can you save me the footwork and post some resources please?The EO IS The Early Church! The EO of today is the direct descendant! Our first Bishops, our first being James in Jerusalem, were all Jewish until 135 AD.
The Jerusalem Patriarchate has a listing of all the bishops since the first, which was James the Just. In 135 AD, gentile bishops (Greek) had to be installed due to the edict of Hadrian.I believe you but can you save me the footwork and post some resources please?
Where did the apostle James say he is the first bishop of EO? And why are you "shouting" at me?The EO IS The Early Church! The EO of today is the direct descendant! Our first Bishops, our first being James in Jerusalem, were all Jewish until 135 AD.
Brother, I have a thread dedicated to what Paul means when he uses the word law, unqualified, where he is referring to the law of Judaism that Jesus has set us free from by comparing Judaism's slavery to human rule in place of God's law to Hagar."It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."
Gal 5:1
Brother, I have a thread dedicated to what Paul means when he uses the word law, unqualified, where he is referring to the law of Judaism that Jesus has set us free from by comparing Judaism's slavery to human rule in place of God's law to Hagar.
In Acts 15 and 21 he was bishop in Jerusalem and made pronouncements regarding Church decisions. Eusebius records that Clement of Alexandria related, "This James, whom the people of old called the Just because of his outstanding virtue, was the first, as the record tells us, to be elected to the episcopal throne of the Jerusalem church. For they say that Peter and James and John after the ascension of our Saviour, as if also preferred by our Lord, strove not after honor, but chose James the Just bishop of Jerusalem." I am not yelling.Where did the apostle James say he is the first bishop of EO? And why are you "shouting" at me?
James was an authority in Jerusalem, yes. Not sure why to use wording like "elected to the episcopal throne", it sounds weird.In Acts 15 and 21 he was bishop in Jerusalem and made pronouncements regarding Church decisions. Eusebius records that Clement of Alexandria related, "This James, whom the people of old called the Just because of his outstanding virtue, was the first, as the record tells us, to be elected to the episcopal throne of the Jerusalem church. For they say that Peter and James and John after the ascension of our Saviour, as if also preferred by our Lord, strove not after honor, but chose James the Just bishop of Jerusalem." I am not yelling.
Yes, it begins in Jerusalem, that was my point. I did not use the wording, I quoted it to you.James was an authority in Jerusalem, yes. Not sure why to use wording like "elected to the episcopal throne", it sounds weird.
But its still not too related to the fact that the most of the early Church did not keep Sabbath. Christians from Jews in Jerusalem were quickly outnumbered by Pauline missionary travels across the Roman Empire, making disciples from various Gentile nations. The church in Jerusalem became more and more insignificant compared to the church in Rome. You can also notice that the book of Acts begins in Jerusalem and ends in Rome.
That's an interesting idea, and I'd never thought about it that way before.Any longer and His body would have begun to decay, which would have broken the prophecy of David quoted by Peter in Acts 2:27
It struck me the other day that if you buy groceries at 3:00 p.m. on Friday and use a credit card, very likely that credit card transaction will be processed that evening, which is on the Sabbath.I am afraid that if you consume electricity, you cause somebody to work, anyway.
In our society, its practically impossible for work to totally stop for a day. Police, firefighters or healthcare aside, there must also be drivers for public transport, heating of homes, shops open for some emergency goods and services, gas stations open for those on the road etc.
But I agree that its important to have enough of rest, from both physical and mental activity. However, I do not think that God is somehow specifically honored by our inactivity.
If it seemed I defined the early church as only the first church in Jerusalem, then its not how I see it.Yes, it begins in Jerusalem, that was my point. I did not use the wording, I quoted it to you.
Because modern government is obligated to provide necessary services to its citizens all the time (army, police, firefighters, transportation, banking services, healthcare services, telecommunication, housing services, energy, waste systems, water purifiers, banking and monetary services...) we "cause" millions of people to work simply by existing and living in a society.It struck me the other day that if you buy groceries at 3:00 p.m. on Friday and use a credit card, very likely that credit card transaction will be processed that evening, which is on the Sabbath.
I agree, virtually impossible in our society to not cause someone else to work on the Sabbath.
Just to be fair, I'm not aware of any scripture passage that talks about the Sabbath moving around the world and resetting at the international date line.FYI for those reading , this is not an SDA or scripture teaching but unique to this poster.
Absolutely! Now, the true church, the one that we don't want to cause division in, is it about 20 or 30 million strong? Or is it closer to about a billion?There are lies taught within professing churches, False teachings, lies are a sin. Sin separates us from Christ if we continue therein.
Thanks that will give me something to look at.The Jerusalem Patriarchate has a listing of all the bishops since the first, which was James the Just. In 135 AD, gentile bishops (Greek) had to be installed due to the edict of Hadrian.
Do those passages cover every law in the law of Moses?There are numerous verses that tell us directly what has been fulfilled in Christ and what is to be. The Sabbath is not one of them.
Did not think you could but ok. I don’t like to cut and paste so it will take time to put it together. So with that if you respond to it please address the points rather than just posting an opinion without proving what is put forth is right or wrong. Because that is how that works.Thats not how it works. If you say it’s out of context, you prove it.
Keep it simple, one logical argument per post. If it will be too long, I will react to the first point and ignore the rest. This should be a conversation, not an exchange of long monologues.Did not think you could but ok. I don’t like to cut and paste so it will take time to put it together. So with that if you respond to it please address the points rather than just posting an opinion without proving what is put forth is right or wrong. Because that is how that works.
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