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These are interpretative leaps that scripture doesn't make. Since your interpretation defies the wide use of the term in the context of the historical early church then it begs the question what is your support outside of your personal opinion? And if no support then what is your motivation? Because all I see is someone with a strong bias who rejects reason.No interpretation needed as the scriptures speak for themselves.
As posted earlier, God's Word makes its own argument. Jesus said in His Word that He is the Lord of the Sabbath day (not me) in Matthew 12:8 and it is God that claims ownership on the Sabbath day (not me) where he blessed the seventh day of the week and set it apart from all the other days of the week as a holy day of rest and claims ownership of this day in Genesis 2:1-3; Mark 2:27; Matthew 12:8; Isaiah 58:13; Leviticus 19:3; Exodus 31:13. The Greek words used for "the Lords day" (κυριακή ημέρα) in Revelation 1:10 mean the Lord's ownership of the day. Go look it up. These are all God's Words dear friend not mine. All I did was to post the scriptures here and here proving that "the Lords day" is the Sabbath according to the God's Word (not my words). If you disagree your welcome to prove your tradition from the scriptures. Now can you prove Sunday or the first day of the week is "the Lords day" according to the scriptures? I keep asking you and others this question but all I hear is silence. This is because there is no scripture to support this tradition. Sunday worship is a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. If you have no scriptures for your teachings then all you have are your words arguing with Gods' Words.These are interpretative leaps that scripture doesn't make. Since your interpretation defies the wide use of the term in the context of the historical early church then it begs the question what is your support outside of your personal opinion? And if no support then what is your motivation? Because all I see is someone with a strong bias who rejects reason.
Actually no, you failed to recognized that the early Church kept the Sabbath. I just posted the scriptures showing that they did. There is no scripture that says that God's Sabbath commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday of the first day of the week as a Holy day of rest. That is simply a man-made teaching and tradition that is not biblical. Jesus tells us if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God in Matthew 15:3-9 that we are no worshiping God. So who should we believe and follow; God or man? *Acts of the Apostles 5:29; Romans 3:4
I posted evidence that by the beginning of the first century that the Sunday worship had replaced the sabbath day in post #127. This included a precise meaning of the “Lord’s day” from Revelation 1:10 as understood by the immediate post apostolic church. This is the same church that preserved the scripture testimony of the Old Testament & sifted out false gnostic writings ( like pseudo gospels) and sorted worthy ( but not scriptural) writings like the Epistle of Clement, Epistles of Ignatius. It was Ignatius who testified that he was no Apostle & that helped eliminate the circulation of false writings. Clement wrote to Corinth trying to counsel some of the community of living memory that St. Paul counseled.
Revisionists can always ignore the development of the church from apostolic to post apostolic times by appropriations of what is apostolic & denying & cooption of the post apostolic.
Not really dear friend. The Eastern orthodox Churches continued keeping the Sabbath unbroken to this present day as did much of the early Church. I suggest you catch up on your History lessons. God has always had a people that have kept His Sabbath unbroken to this very present day following in the foot steps of Jesus and the Apostles who are the founders of the church who also kept the Sabbath shown in biblical history all through time to this present day.
Sunday worship is not biblical. There is no scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th commandment of the 10 commandments *Exodus 20:8-11 has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many either knowingly or unknowingly to break God's 4th commandment which is one of God's 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *Romans 3:20. Jesus (not me) warns us in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we knowingly follow man-made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God we are not worshiping God. I believe according to the scriptures God's people are in every Church *John 10:16. Jesus says that the hour is coming that God's true worshipers will worship God in Spirit and in truth. We do not worship God according to Jesus by breaking his commandments and following man-made teachings and traditions that lead us to do this *Matthew 15:3-9. God is a Spirit and those who worship Him according to Jesus must worship Him in Spirit and in truth *John 4:23-24. God is calling His sheep to come out from following false teachings to return back to His Word. BABYLON has fallen and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird and all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues *Revelations 18:1-5. God is calling His sheep where ever they may be to come out from following the teachings and traditions of men to return to His Word. God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him *John 10:26-27. The call has come to go out and meet the bridegroom for all things are now prepared. Many are called but only the few will be chosen.So if we are then what is the reason for your technical distinction to not be possibly Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox? Like I said, we have gulfs of differences but we all worship on Sunday.
Not really dear friend. The Orthodox Churches continued keeping the Sabbath unbroken to this present day as did much of the early Church. I suggest you catch up on your History lessons. God has always had a people that have kept His Sabbath unbroken to this very present day following in the foot steps of Jesus and the Apostles who are the founders of the church who also kept the Sabbath shown in biblical history all through time to this present day. None of the scriptures you quoted teach the end of the seventh day Sabbath of God's 4th commandment. The scriptures you quoted are in reference to the annual ceremonial "shadow sabbaths" in the Feast days read the scripture and chapter contexts. These also are not abolished but continued to that to which they point to - the body of Christ that casts the shadow. All you have provided in post 127 are to sources outside of the scriptures in support of "the Lords day" which are not biblical and disagree with scripture in support of a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many to break God's 4th commandment therefore not being God's Word and in contradiction to God's Word from a source outside of the bible can only raise red flags in my view.
So referring to the records of the early Christians who went to the lions ( like Ignatius did), preserved the Bible ( you claim as yours), rooted out false doctrines ( like denying Jesus Christ is God, Son of God the Father etc.) is a red flag?
Referring to a church manual from about 100 AD ( some say was written earlier)about worship on the Lord’s Day ( Sunday) is a red flag?
Chapter 14. Christian Assembly on the Lord's Day. But every Lord's day gather yourselves together, and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled. ...
Didache. The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles (translation Roberts-Donaldson).
Didache
No dear friend. The scriptures teach that we are to test all things if they are from Gods or not from God by His Word in 1 Thessalonians 5:21; 1 John 4:1; 1 John 2:3-4; Isaiah 8:20. God's Word therefore is the test to know if someone teachings are from God or not from God. I do not follow the Didache which has been dated by many scholars to the 3rd of 4th century (the scholars do not know and cannot agree on a dating of this document) and mysteriously turned up not until 1873 and published 10 years later in 1883. I only believe and follow Gods Word. Anything outside of God's Word that contradicts the scriptures therefore I do not believe is from God and should be viewed with caution because anything outside of God's Word that is not God's Word and is in conflict to God's Word can lead us away from following God and His Word in fulfillment of the Words of Jesus in Matthew 24:24.[
Revisionism hijacks history, denies its participants, appropriates, reinterprets, & controls its testimony through a narrow manipulation of a
We (SDA)worship on the sabbath day & claim the Bible. Those others ( who preserved the Bible & faith ) testified that the sabbath day was lost unto the day of resurrection. We ignore that last part & claim their Bible except for the sabbath day & appropriate the sabbath day as our controlling premise.
Agreed, the two great commandments of love to God and man is summarizing the 10 commandments in God's new covenant promise *Hebrews 8:10-12 from Jeremiah 31:31-34; Ezekiel 36:24-27. Jesus is quoting from the old testament scriptures in Matthew 22:36-40 in Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18 which is how the 10 commandments are summed up. Paul agrees here with Jesus when writing Romans 13:8-10 as does James in James 2:8-12. Love is the only way we can obey God's law according to the scriptures and is why we need to be born again *John 3:3-7 through faith *1 John 5:3-4 to have a new heart to love which is the new covenant promise from Hebrews 8:10-12. This is why Jesus say if you love me keep my commandments in John 14:15; John 15:10. Those who are born again according to John do not practice sin *1 John 3:6-9 which is defined in the scriptures are breaking God's commandments *James 2:10-11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7. This section here however disagrees with your next section that Acts of the Apostles 15 is in regards to God's 10 commandments. Let's see why...The Lord compressed the law & prophets to the golden rule & the 2 great commandments ( see Matthew 7:12, Matthew 22:36-40).
No this interpretation of Acts of the Apostles 15 has Paul contradicting himself when he goes to the Corinthian believers some time latter after the Jerusalem council's decision where he says to the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing; BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD. Acts of the Apostles 15 was never over the question "should new gentile believers keep Gods 10 commandments" It was over the question stated in Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2 which says [1] And certain men came down from Judaea and taught the brethren, saying, Except ye be circumcised after the custom of Moses, ye cannot be saved.[2], And when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and questioning with them, the brethren appointed that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. So the question being discussed at Jerusalem was "is circumcision a requirement for salvation?" This was the question (Acts of the Apostles 15:2) that Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss not are Gods' 10 commandments the standard for Christian living. That interpretation makes Paul contradict himself when speaking to the Corinthian believers (1 Corinthians 7:19) when he says circumcision is nothing but the keeping of the commandments of God is everything. The decision of Jerusalem was over circumcision being a requirement for salvation for new gentile believers and abstaining from pollution of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood because these new believers would be continuing to learn God's Word every Sabbath (Acts of the Apostles 15:21).The Apostles ( Acts of the Apostles 15) said the Gentiles were not bound to the law of Moses ( especially circumcision). As I have mentioned over & over the Lord was rejected on His Sabbath day by those who claimed to be its keepers ( Luke 6 etc.). St. Paul was ultimately rejected when he still tried to keep the law ( Acts of the Apostles 23:1).
Very good.So the Gentiles will be Judged by the entire book of Moses because they did not do the Law written in their hearts?
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Rom 2:16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
That's correct. Jesus rose on the third day according to Paul and that is as much as we know.... and the accounts do not say ... "72 hours" ...
Forgot one....Very good.
Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
because that's reserved for the Sabbath :::...Because that's reserved for the Sabbath.
Comments and criticisms are welcomed.
...Because that's reserved for the Sabbath.
Comments and criticisms are welcomed.
Hello Imge, how can you know God through His Sabbath? I thought you'll know God by His Spirit..I find it interesting that God identifies Himself, so we know who He is, through His Sabbath. There are several scriptures to support this and I think it is another way God assures us that we know who He is and we do so when we worship Him on His Sabbath, His Sacred day from the beginning Genesis 2:3.
Exodus
20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it. This verse right here tells you which days is the Lords day. Sabbath is the seventh day and it is THE day of the Lord your God.
Exodus 31:13 Surely My Sabbaths you shall keep, for it is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you.
Ezekiel 20:12 12 Moreover I also gave them My Sabbaths, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.
Ezekiel 20: 20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’
nd it interesting in the scriptures about the Sabbath, God identifies
But if he was buried late in the day on Friday he would have risen late in the day on Monday. Jesus made it absolutely clear that he would be in the 'grave' for 72 hours.
There is no biblical evidence of Sunday being consecrated as "The Lord's Day", or for any special purpose for that matter.
The Lord's Day, or Day of the Lord, is when Christ returns, and brings 'smoke' (hurts people and breaks stuff).
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