You must find the 4th commandment every time the word "commandments" occurs in a passage, or Adventism falls apart. This is what Adventists do in the book of 1 John.
The scriptures provided already in
post # 52;
post # 57;
post # 58;
post # 59 prove that your claims here are not biblical. What is it that you disagree with in the linked posts provided above that you disagree with? It is God's Word not my words that make your words fall apart and this is the true reason you will not respond to the linked posts above that disagree with your teachings because they are not biblical.
Some Adventists claim the ten commandments were given to Abraham, although Deuteronomy 5:1-22 plainly says they were not given at an earlier time. In Exodus 34:28 the ten commandments written on stone are the Sinai Covenant.
Deuteronomy 5 says no where that God's
people before Mt Sinai did not know about Gods' 10 commandments. Deuteronomy 5:2 is talking about God's covenant with ISRAEL not God's 10 commandments. The old covenant with ISRAEL included God's 10 commandment and the Mosiac book of the covenant or book of the law *Exodus 24:7; Deuteronomy 17:18; Deuteronomy 28:61; Deuteronomy 29:21; Deuteronomy 30:10; Deuteronomy 31:24-26 etc. Both Gods' law and the Mosaic book of the covenant *Exodus 24:7 collectively made up the old covenant according to the scriptures not just the 10 commandments. It seems this is where your mistake is in not understanding what the old and new covenants are.
Adventists claim the word "sabbaths" in Colossians 2:16-17 does not include the 4th commandment, although Paul told the Galatian believers to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage" in Galatians 4:24-31, and the New Covenant has made the Old Covenant "obsolete" in Hebrews 8:6-13, and we are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18-24. The same man who told the Galatians to "cast out" the Sinai Covenant of "bondage", also wrote Colossians 2:16-17.
According to the scriptures it is Gods' Words that disagrees with your words here that has already been addressed in previous posts you ignore and not respond to. For example Galatians 4:24-31 is in relation to those who are seeking to get their righteousness from keeping Gods' Law. That is not the purpose of Gods' law according to the new covenant scriptures.The purpose of Gods' law in the new covenant is to give us the knowledge of good (moral right doing) and evil (moral wrong doing); sin (moral wrong doing) and righteousness (moral right doing) *Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Psalms 119:172 and to lead us to Christ as sinners *Romans 3:9-23; Galatians 3:22-25; Romans 8:1-4 that we might be forgiven through faith in the blood of Christ. Faith however does not abolish Gods' law according to the scriptures it establishes Gods' law in the lives of all those who believe God's Word according to Paul in Romans 3:31. We are in the new covenant now dear friend not the old covenant. According to the new covenant scriptures we are saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast *
Ephesians 2:8-9 but Gods grace is so we can be obedient to the faith *
Romans 1:5. Obedience to God's Law is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of faith of one that is already been given Gods promise of salvation and the fruit of God's work in us *
Philippians 2:13 as we believe and follow his word *
John 10:26-27. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *
James 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *
Matthew 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50;
Hebrews 10:26-27. Therefore we do not abolish God's law through faith like some people teach but God's law is established in the heart by faith that works by love *
Romans 3:31;
1 John 5:3-4;
Romans 13:8-10. According to the scriptures, sin (breaking God' commandments and not believing and following God's Word) is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil *1 John 3:6-10; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14.
Colossians 2:16-17 [16], Let no man therefore judge you in
(1)meat, or in drink, or in respect of an
(2) holyday {ἑορτή G1859; Feast day}, or of the
(3) new moon, or of the
(4) sabbath days:[17], Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Colossians 2:16 is talking about the sabbath days (plural GNP) in context to the Feast days not Gods' 4th commandment. In the days of Jesus and Paul their bible was the old testament scriptures. Paul is referring to the old testament scriptures of the meat and drink offerings in the Feast days the new moons and the sabbaths in the Feast days. Many do not know that there are many
annual sabbaths in the Feast days of Leviticus 23. These are not the same as Gods' 4th commandment but were linked directly to the annual Feasts of Leviticus 23 or days of holy convocation where no work was to be done and unlike God's 4th commandment that is simply every "
seventh day" the annual feast sabbaths could fall on any day of the week depending on the yearly cycle.
For example when they fell on the seventh day Sabbath of Gods' 4th commandment they were called a High Sabbath (John 19:31). So what were the annual sabbaths in the Feast days? These included; (1) Feast of Unleavened Bread (first and last day) *
Leviticus 23:6-8 (2) Feast of Trumpets *
Leviticus 23:24-25 (3) Day of Atonement *
Leviticus 23:27-32 (4) Feast of Booths *
Leviticus 23:34-36 (5) Feast of First Fruits *
Leviticus 23:39 (6) Feast days of Holy convocation of
no work (sabbaton Colossians 2:16 *
Leviticus 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36. Not also Colossians 2:16 is not talking about the Sabbath day singular but plural many different sabbaths to plural application. The Greek is genitive neuter plural to sabbaths or sabbath days and the context is to the Feast days as shown above.
Now lets go back to the old testament scriptures and see what Paul is quoting from in Colossians 2:16?
Colossians 2:16-17 [16], Let no man therefore judge you in
(1) MEAT, or in DRINK, or in respect of an
(2) HOLYDAY {ἑορτή G1859; Feast day}, or of the
(3) NEW MOON, or of the
(4) SABBATH DAYS
Paul is referencing the following scriptures. Note the context and compare these following scriptures to Colossians 2:16...
Ezekiel 45:17 "And it shall be the prince's part to give
(1) BURNT OFFERINGS, and MEAT OFFERINGS, and DRINK OFFERINGS, (2) IN THE FEASTS, and
(3) IN THE NEW MOONS, and
(4) IN THE SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel."
Let's look at some more similar scriptures Paul is quoting from..
Isaiah 1:10-14 [10] Hear the word of the LORD, ye rulers of Sodom; give ear unto the law of our God, ye people of Gomorrah.[11] To what purpose is the multitude of your sacrifices unto me? saith the LORD:
I AM FULL OF THE BURNT OFFERINGS of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.[12] When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?[13]
BRING NO MORE VAIN OBLATIONS; incense is an abomination unto me;
THE NEW MOONS AND SABBATHS, THE CALLING OF ASSEMBLIES, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.[14] Your
NEW MOONS and your
APPOINTED FEASTS my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them.
1 Chronicles 23:31 And to offer
ALL BURNT SACRIFICES TO THE LORD IN THE SABBATHS, IN THE NEW MOONS and on the set
FEASTS, by number, according to the order commanded to them, continually before the LORD.
2 Chronicles 2:4 Behold, I build an house to the name of the LORD my God,
FOR THE BURNT OFFERINGS MORNING AND EVENING ON THE SABBATHS AND ON THE NEW MOONS AND ON THE SOLEMN FEASTS of the LORD our God.
2 Chronicles 31:3 He appointed also ...
THE BURNT OFFERINGS FOR THE SABBATH AND FOR THE NEW MOONS AND FOR THE SET FEASTS, as it is written in the law of the LORD.
Nehemiah 10:33 For the showbread, and
FOR THE CONTINUAL MEAT OFFERING AND FOR THE CONTINUAL BURNT OFFERING OF THE SABBATHS, OF THE NEW MOONS, FOR THE SET FEASTS, and for the holy things, and for the sin offerings to make an atonement for Israel, and for all the work of the house of our God.
Numbers 28:9-10 [9] And on the Sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a
MEAT OFFERING, mingled with oil, and the
DRINK OFFERING thereof: [10] This is the burnt offering of
EVERY SABBATH, beside the continual
BURN'T OFFERING, and his DRINK OFFERING.
Hosea 2:11 [11], I will also cause all her mirth to
CEASE, HER [ISRAEL'S] FEAST DAYS, her
NEW MOONS, and
HER SABBATHS, and
all HER [ISRAELS] SOLEMN FEASTS.
Leviticus 23:4-6; 13 [4] These are
THE FEASTS OF THE LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is
THE LORD'S PASSOVER. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread…… [13] And the MEAT OFFERING thereof shall be two tenth deals of fine flour mingled with oil, an offering made by fire unto the Lord for a sweet savour: and the
DRINK OFFERING thereof shall be of wine, the fourth part of an hin.
As can be shown above every application of the scriptures Paul is referring to from Colossians 2:16-17 is to the annual sabbaths in in the Feast days, the new Moons and the meat and the drink offerings;
not Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments. Application is always to sabbaths plural in the Feast days!
Let's now look at further new testament application to the above scriptures...
HEBREWS 9:1; 9-10; 12 [1] Then verily
THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary.... [9] WHICH WAS A FIGURE for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10]
WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12]
NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
HEBREWS 10:1-9
[1],
FOR THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW OF GOOD THINGS TO COME, AND NOT THE VERY IMAGE OF THE THINGS, CAN NEVER WITH THOSE SACRIFICES which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
[2], For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
[3], But in those
SACRIFICES there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
[4], For it is not possible that
THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND GOATS should take away sins.
[5], Why when he comes into the world, he said,
SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU WOULD NOT BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
[6],
IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAVE HAD NO PLEASURE.
[7], Then said I, See, I come in the
VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.
[8], Above when he said,
SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU WOULD NOT, neither had pleasure therein;
WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;
[9], Then said he, See, I come to do your will, O God. He takes away the first, that he may establish the second.
NOTE; the LAW in reference here is NOT God's 10 Commandments but the law of sin offerings from the SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the LAW *
DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 from the OLD COVENANT *
EXODUS 24:7 (Please look at the attached scriptures)
PAUL is writing about from the OLD TESTAMENT scriptures which are the sacrificial SIN offerings and JEWISH annual festivals that where shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *
EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT *
HEBREWS 8:10-12.
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CONCLUSION: Paul in Colossians 2:16 is referencing the sabbaths (plural) in the Feast days not God's 4th commandment or any of God's 10 commandments in Colossians 2. Now I have gone the extra mile and spent a bit of time on this for you so if you disagree with what has been shared with you here show why from the scriptures. I have a lot more to share on this subject but will stop for now to see if you agree with what has been shared here with you in regards to Colossians 2:16. So no Colossians 2:16-17 does not say Gods' 4th commandment has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day of rest. That is not written in these scriptures.
more to come...
