Why teach creationism in public school science classes?

[MoonLancer]

Mythology would be down the hall, where the taxpayers' money is being wasted.

then your in the wrong place

 

[Upisoft]

So the Christian creation myth isn't yours? Then why are you arguing for it to be taught in schools?

As far I know, he doesn't. But I could be wrong, so.. you may not believe me.

 

[AV1611VET]

As far I know, he doesn't. But I could be wrong, so.. you may not believe me.

Creationism, in my opinion, should be taught in schools as history, not science.

I used to say here that creationism should not be taught in the public schools -- period; but I've since changed my mind due to the high volume of ... 'educated' scientists ... here that can't understand the simplest of doctrine.

 

[hollyda]

Creationism, in my opinion, should be taught in schools as history, not science.

I used to say here that creationism should not be taught in the public schools -- period; but I've since changed my mind due to the high volume of ... 'educated' scientists ... here that can't understand the simplest of doctrine.

But that begs the question... what makes creationism more historical than any other religions' creation myths, aside from the fact that Christian creationism is something you (presumably) believe in?

When I was in high school, we had a "literature of the bible" course, independent from history and mythology. It was also something students could elect to take or not take. Would that setup be agreeable?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Actually, I think the proper term is 'coming to work' -- but I'm not from England, so I wouldn't know.

Injecting religious dogma under the guise of legitimate curricula for the sole purpose of recruiting converts - I call that an invasion.

 

[AV1611VET]

But that begs the question... what makes creationism more historical than any other religions' creation myths, aside from the fact that Christian creationism is something you (presumably) believe in?

Truth.

When I was in high school, we had a "literature of the bible" course, independent from history and mythology. It was also something students could elect to take or not take. Would that setup be agreeable?

Vis-a-vis nothing, yes.

I suppose anything -- no matter how small it is -- that will get a student to open a Bible and read It, is better than hearing it explained from an atheist.

Else you would be out hunting witches, marching off to liberate Jerusalem from the gentiles, or putting people through trials-by-ordeal.

 

[AV1611VET]

Injecting religious dogma under the guise of legitimate curricula for the sole purpose of recruiting converts - I call that an invasion.

I see you've been on that Arab phone, haven't you?

 

[CaliforniaSun]

But that begs the question... what makes creationism more historical than any other religions' creation myths, aside from the fact that Christian creationism is something you (presumably) believe in?

When I was in high school, we had a "literature of the bible" course, independent from history and mythology. It was also something students could elect to take or not take. Would that setup be agreeable?

Because Hovindians believe their own myths as fact, in spite of the evidence.

Maybe these new "history" books should have a disclaimer label:

"Creationism has in no way been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is factual history. Equal time and consideration should be given to other historical creations, including, but not limted to: Babylonian, Gilgamesh, Roman, Norse, Chinese, Japanese, Hindu, Buddha. Only then will a student have a proper understanding of actual historical creations."

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I see you've been on that Arab phone, haven't you?

No - I've read the the Wedge Document. There genuinely are groups of Christians out there with that express purpose.

 

[AV1611VET]

No - I've read the the Wedge Document. There genuinely are groups of Christians out there with that express purpose.

And what does that have to do with Creationism being taught in history class as a postulate?

I'm not sure why you even brought that up.

 

[Hespera]

Because Hovindians believe their own myths as fact, in spite of the evidence.

Maybe these new "history" books should have a disclaimer label:

"Creationism has in no way been proven beyond reasonable doubt that it is factual history. Equal time and consideration should be given to other historical creations, including, but not limted to: Babylonian, Gilgamesh, Roman, Norse, Chinese, Japanese, Hindu, Buddha. Only then will a student have a proper understanding of actual historical creations."

"Creationism is a failed trailer-park philosophy and is considered a disgrace and embarrassment by educated Christians.

We are presenting a survey of of the known versions, all of which are in conflict with each other, as well as a brief bio on some of its more notorious and vocal proponents, such as Kent Hovind (a.k.a. “Dr. Dino”) a well-known young-Earth creationist speaker. He is not in fact a doctor of anything, and is in federal prison.


There be a slide show of some of the more notorious fakes "specimens" that have been concocted as the only evidence that...

 

[MoonLancer]

Truth.

with no outstanding or unique method to find that truth Christianity is stuck with all the other mythologies.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

And what does that have to do with Creationism being taught in history class as a postulate?

I'm not sure why you even brought that up.

Because it's the same strategy used by IDists. Because teaching religious mythology, unscientific, unsubstantiated claims, and other things which are no better than wild conjecture, is not a good education system for children. The Creation story is a wholly religious story, and one that has exactly zero supporting evidence (something you agree with) - why should it be taught in a history class, if it has not been established as history? There is literally an infinite number of things we could teach kids, but that's a rather wasteful use of their time.

So you say we should teach Creationism in history as a postulate - why? You may consider it historically accurate, but without any supporting evidence, we have no more reason to believe you than we do a Muslim Creationist, or a Hindu Creationist. So, why?

 

[AV1611VET]

So you say we should teach Creationism in history as a postulate - why?

I'm not going to keep going around and around and around with you, WC.

 

[Hespera]

headmaster and assistant principal for theocreologist school

 

[Greg1234]

But your creation myth is being taught as history. If you do one, you gotta do them all.

Actually the building of the Great Pyramid by the Egyptians is Creationism. Within that you have the Egyptians who are humans and would belong to a biology class, the building of the Great Pyramid which is Engineering, and the study of ancient civilizations which would belong in a history class. Intelligent Design is the engineering aspect of biological organisms and the only reason we don't teach intelligent design for the Great Pyramid is because everyone has faith that it was designed.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I'm not going to keep going around and around and around with you, WC.

Hey, if you can't substantiate your claim, that's your business.

 

[mzungu]

Actually the building of the Great Pyramid by the Egyptians is Creationism. Within that you have the Egyptians who are humans and would belong to a biology class, the building of the Great Pyramid which is Engineering, and the study of ancient civilizations which would belong in a history class. Intelligent Design is the engineering aspect of biological organisms and the only reason we don't teach intelligent design for the Great Pyramid is because everyone has faith that it was designed.

No matter how you cloak it; ID is creationism in disguise. You have yet to bring forth any evidence to support your Creationist claims.

 

[MoonLancer]

Actually the building of the Great Pyramid by the Egyptians is Creationism. Within that you have the Egyptians who are humans and would belong to a biology class, the building of the Great Pyramid which is Engineering, and the study of ancient civilizations which would belong in a history class. Intelligent Design is the engineering aspect of biological organisms and the only reason we don't teach intelligent design for the Great Pyramid is because everyone has faith that it was designed.

You don't seem to be able to use the word faith in a sentence...

 

[Goodbook]

As someone who went to a public school, I vaguely remember biology class about 15 years ago now. I don't remember being taught evolution, but we were taught geology (or rather, to research/regurgitate scientific views about geology, that stemmed from evolutionist thinking) but we were never taught to QUESTION evolutionary theory.

I think its a good thing that people question the theory, because later on I did and found all sorts of things that didn't add up. I am not going to post them here but creationism trumps every silly theory and philosophy that scientists can speculate on. God makes sense, God doesn't lie. Man tries to complicate things, and lies. People come up with all evidence trying to fit a theory, and ignore the evidence that contradicts the theory. Data gets massaged. People look at something, and then try to extrapolate backwards in times assuming things have always stayed the same, or will in the future. Correlation is often confused with causation. All this sort of stuff goes on in science, something new gets added, and the old is 'proven' wrong, and you are always searching, always learning, but never coming to the truth. Junk science gets taught alongside real science.

However the bible says Jesus is the same, yesterday, today and forever. And the gospels are the compilations of eyewitness account.

I wasn't a christian back when I went to school, but looking back, I wish they did teach the Bible or even that Jesus existed, then I wouldn't have been so miserable and filled my head with the rubbish that gets taught these days under the guise of knowledge. And it seems to me most evolutionists seem afraid to admit that God exists, and created the world and works in people's lives. They are too busy inflating their own egos thinking they are smart and can control their own destiny, but that is the lie of Satan.