Why Not Catholic?

[DaRev]

I am having trouble again. I have found a Lutheran church but I still am confused inside. I just fear that the Catholic church may be right and they truly are the right church. While I don't necessarily agree with things they do based on scripture I have read, I can't ignore all of the marian apparitions, eucharistic miracles, and various other Catholic miracles.

It also makes sense to me that God would only want 1 church. I'm again still very lost.....

Do you believe that God would want a Church that contradicts His word?

Also, keep in mind that the true Church is invisible. It is not tied to any one denomination. It is made up of true believers in Christ and its "membership" is only known to God. One needs to find a denomination that most closely adheres to the teachings of God as revealed in His word. In my honest opinion, that is the Confessional Lutheran Church.

 

[Giantsbran1227]

This I understand. What I don't understand is why God would perform so many miracles within the Catholic church if it was not truly HIS church. I mean look at all the amazing eucharist miracles, marian appearances, miracles with saints, etc. I don't see anything of that nature in any other churches.....

 

[PreachersWife2004]

This I understand. What I don't understand is why God would perform so many miracles within the Catholic church if it was not truly HIS church. I mean look at all the amazing eucharist miracles, marian appearances, miracles with saints, etc. I don't see anything of that nature in any other churches.....

I've always had suspicions about these types of miracles. They always seem to put more emphasis on the person receiving them rather than the source.

 

[Giantsbran1227]

Some yes. But MASS marian apparitions where entire countries witness seeing Mary, eucharist miracles, etc. all raise much question for me in deciding whether or not these signs are from God telling us that the Catholic church IS this right one. Science has confirmed much of these miracles also by the way.....

 

[DD2008]

Some yes. But MASS marian apparitions where entire countries witness seeing Mary, eucharist miracles, etc. all raise much question for me in deciding whether or not these signs are from God telling us that the Catholic church IS this right one. Science has confirmed much of these miracles also by the way.....

If you think the Catholic Church is the one for you you should join it. I joined it once because I thought it was the right one.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Some yes. But MASS marian apparitions where entire countries witness seeing Mary, eucharist miracles, etc. all raise much question for me in deciding whether or not these signs are from God telling us that the Catholic church IS this right one. Science has confirmed much of these miracles also by the way.....

What purpose does seeing Marian apparitions serve?

 

[Jim47]

Some yes. But MASS marian apparitions where entire countries witness seeing Mary, eucharist miracles, etc. all raise much question for me in deciding whether or not these signs are from God telling us that the Catholic church IS this right one. Science has confirmed much of these miracles also by the way.....

Mary was the earthly mother of Jesus, she has nothing to do with miracles or with God's power to create them.

Jesus rebuked the pharisees because they would not believe in Him unless He performed more miracles in their presence, its not the miracles that are important but faith in Him who can save us from sin.

 

[DaRev]

This I understand. What I don't understand is why God would perform so many miracles within the Catholic church if it was not truly HIS church. I mean look at all the amazing eucharist miracles, marian appearances, miracles with saints, etc. I don't see anything of that nature in any other churches.....

Are they from God? Or are they Satans way of confusing people into believing someone or something other than God? Think about it. It's as old as sin itself.

I said it before and I'll say it again. Would God want a church that so contradicts His own word?

 

[Edial]

Some yes. But MASS marian apparitions where entire countries witness seeing Mary, eucharist miracles, etc. all raise much question for me in deciding whether or not these signs are from God telling us that the Catholic church IS this right one. Science has confirmed much of these miracles also by the way.....

You are looking at it from an incorrect angle.

One is not to consider whether miracles (or apparitions) actually happen or happened, but what is the message that is associated with a certain apparition.

Then, we compare the message with the message of the Bible.

Look at the Fatima apparition.

http://fatima.org/essentials/message/msgtoindivis.asp

Here is the message from that apparition who claims to be Mary that is addressed to people ...

" Of course, God will reward those souls who generously perform extra penances, as the three shepherd children did. When the children tied rough rope around their waists as a penance, Our Lady told them: "God is satisfied with your sacrifices." We have been told, "From every one who has been given much, much will be required" (Luke 12:48). Those of us to whom God has given much should strive to generously use our talents and make greater sacrifices for His greater honor and glory, lest we be judged for wasting our gifts. "

What counts is a message that is relayed, not the apparition.

And the Bible presents that there indeed WILL be many false miracles.

Supernatural exists.

It is the source that matters.
And it is the message that this source presents that distinguishes a false source from a genuine one.

Do you see a problem with that message?

Thanks,
Ed

 

[Giantsbran1227]

I dont think Satan would turn bread and wine into ACTUAL human flesh and blood. That would only cause MORE people to believe in christ..... Why is God only performing miracles through the Catholic church?

 

[Edial]

I dont think Satan would turn bread and wine into ACTUAL human flesh and blood. That would only cause MORE people to believe in christ..... Why is God only performing miracles through the Catholic church?

Maybe you are missing some of the posts ... OK. Show me one miracle that you could substantiate.
Once you present it, we'll discuss it.

Thanks,
OK

 

[Giantsbran1227]

Maybe you are missing some of the posts ... OK. Show me one miracle that you could substantiate.
Once you present it, we'll discuss it.

Thanks,
OK

The numerous occurances of the catholic eucharist becoming ACTUAL flesh and blood. This has happened on many occasions and has been proven factual by science.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

The numerous occurances of the catholic eucharist becoming ACTUAL flesh and blood. This has happened on many occasions and has been proven factual by science.

We need links.

 

[Edial]

The numerous occurances of the catholic eucharist becoming ACTUAL flesh and blood. This has happened on many occasions and has been proven factual by science.

How they say in Missouri (from an Armenian in NYC ) - show me.

 

[DaRev]

The numerous occurances of the catholic eucharist becoming ACTUAL flesh and blood. This has happened on many occasions and has been proven factual by science.

Show us the source of your scientific evidence so we can research it.

I was a practicing Roman Catholic for 30 years and had only heard of one such occurance, but there was no "scientific evidence" to back it up, mainly because the Church would not allow scientists to handle the elements.

 

[DD2008]

As it is right now TCL looks pretty scary. On the main page there are three threads.

Why not Catholic?
Catholic Church harlot of Babylon Rev 17???
Why Roman Catholicism is Wrong.

If I didn't know better already I would think at first glance that it was something evil like CARM or something like that.

 

[Zecryphon]

As it is right now TCL looks pretty scary. On the main page there are three threads.

Why not Catholic?
Catholic Church harlot of Babylon Rev 17???
Why Roman Catholicism is Wrong.

If I didn't know better already I would think at first glance that it was something evil like CARM or something like that.

I didn't know CARM was considered evil.

 

[DD2008]

I didn't know CARM was considered evil.

Oh Yeah. As bad as it gets.

 

[QuiltAngel]

CARM is very anti Roman Catholicism. They use to have some very anti Lutheran things on their website, but those seem to have gotten buried or removed.

As far as the posts on here, one is a relatively new poster here and the other goes in spurts posting here. It is unusual to have so many on the main page at the same time. I can see how the thread topics would put someone off if they considered coming here to ask a question.

 

[QuiltAngel]

Grr, CF is getting glitchy again. It posted my post twice.