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Say what? I've never heard that before. They didn't need much shielding for the Apollo trips because they were going faster than the mars rocket would have to go? Is that what you're saying? (Is that what they're saying now?)
No, not what I was saying... It isn't the speed that causes the issue. Mars is at a distance orders of magnitude greater than the Moon is. Astronauts will spend 6 to 9 months in transit to get to Mars despite reaching speeds higher than that achieved by the Apollo missions. Exposure to the radiation of space for that long will have a detrimental effect on their health.
Like I said, not necessarily slower, just vastly longer distance to travel. Surely you're not seriously telling me you don't know this?
 
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They did, though.

Basically, they were mapped by firing several probes through them (Explorer 4, Pioneer 3 and Luna 1) and having them sent their readings back to earth. Their mapping was not completes, and in fact in 2012 another, third belt was discovered, but the vague mapping they did was deemed sufficient because nasa REALLY wanted to shoot a guy on the moon before the soviets did.


https://spacemath.gsfc.nasa.gov/earth/3Page7.pdf

They didn't get enough harmfull radiation for any severe symptoms to develop.

I think you're buried far too deep in your own cognitive bias and conspiracy theories to be argued with. Everything that endangers your fortified worldview is dismissed out of hand or blamed on the evil, evil NASA lying because they want to keep their big budget and/or fight god because.. evil?
 
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I answered you inside of your quote like I did Jimmy's. What is in bold is me.

The coffee is good tonight! Lol.



Please don't respond that way, it makes it much harder to address your points. I ask that you do the normal format.
 
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You clearly don't understand what 'closed system' means as per the Laws of Thermodynamics.
 
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Oh ok, sorry for the misunderstanding. Ok so what you're saying raises new questions for me. I googled it, and the van allan belts are two belts, and "The inner Van Allen Belt extends typically from an altitude of 0.2 to 2 Earth radii (L values of 1 to 3) or 1,000 km (620 mi) to 6,000 km (3,700 mi) above the Earth...(AND)...The outer belt... beginning at an altitude of three and extending to ten Earth radii (RE) 13,000 to 60,000 kilometres (8,100 to 37,300 mi) above the Earth's surface.../
(Wikipedia)

So the van allen belts start at about 620 miles in altitude, and go out to about 37,300 miles away from earth to the end of the outer belt. Right so far?

But the moon is (IIRC) about 237,000 miles away. Waayy past the end of the VA belts. Soo...why would there be any difference in how long they spend in the belts? They get through the belts...and then it doesn't matter if they go to the moon or mars, the belts are so thick and once they're past them it doesn't matter anymore. It should take the same time, or even less time if they actully go faster like you said...

Am I missing something here? I don't understand why it would take longer. That it's a danger to go to mars, but not to the moon...?
 
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Open space is also filled with dangerous radiation from the sun, which our magnetosphere and athmosphere protects us from.
 
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Please don't respond that way, it makes it much harder to address your points. I ask that you do the normal format.

Ok. I got a handle on it now, lol. (I'm not real great with computers, lol)
 
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They didn't get enough harmfull radiation for any severe symptoms to develop.

See though, that doesn't make sense. Either they were shielded or they weren't. The van allen belts are only so thick and when they're though them then they're through them. Maybe if they were mostly shielded but still got some...it shouldn't be different because they turn towards mars after passing the va belts instead of the moon...does not compute, lol.
 
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See though, that doesn't make sense.
The human body can cope with some amount of radiation before it gets into dangerous levels.

As mentioned in the link I posted, they got about 2 Rad worth of radiation.
 
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The human body can cope with some amount of radiation before it gets into dangerous levels.

As mentioned in the link I posted, they got about 2 Rad worth of radiation.

The human body is sort of weird. Sometimes it can stand up to some punishing abuse and they walk away. Other times people go down quick from a feather touch almost. But it doesn't explain why they were willing to take the risk back with the Apollo missions, but now to go to mars, they don't want to take the risk. There doesn't seem to be an explanation for that.
(unless they're just fishing for more money?)
 
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The explanation has been given to you multiple times now: The travel to mars takes several months instead of several days, so they need added protection from the radiation of free space.
 
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The explanation has been given to you multiple times now: The travel to mars takes several months instead of several days, so they need added protection from the radiation of free space.

That's not what the NASA guy in the video was saying. He was saying that the van allen belts are the danger.
 
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That's not what the NASA guy in the video was saying. He was saying that the van allen belts are the danger.
Do you really think a guy in a youtube video trumps every other evidence?
 
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Do you really think a guy in a youtube video trumps every other evidence?

He was a NASA guy, so he probably knows what he's talking about, right? He prolly knows more than I do about radiation danger. What's your background in radiation? Not being snarky, maybe you have a PhD or something, I don't know.

If the normal background radiation in space is a clear and present danger, then I would think that they'd be talking about it. This is the first I've heard that it isn't the va belts as much as just normal space...So, yeah. What's your background. I do want to talk the most qualified person of course.
 
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A couple of things. First, radiation is cumulative. The longer you stay out there the worse it gets. A few days is no big deal. A few years is. The ISS is within the protection of the Van Allen belts. Apollo left that protection. A Mars mission would leave that protection. What we didn't know at the time and we were VERY lucky to have avoided was a solar flare. If that had happened the astronauts would likely have died. Not immediately but shortly after they returned. If a solar flare catches the Mars mission in transit and they don't have proper shielding they will die in space. It's why they're talking about taking a giant water-filled chamber. First to use as drinking water but also because water can shield them too. They can enter a room inside or behind the water to protect themselves. We don't know when a flare might happen. So that's the biggest fear.
 
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You don’t know what a closed system is, do you?
 
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