Why Mormons aren't christians.

[SwordOfGod]

Excellent argument MQTA!...

However, I think you failed in proving that God said that these gods actually existed... If someone stated that a cross between a rabbit and a dog existed, (which of course is not true, and we will call them.... punnys) and that we should worship this animal, and someone said that we should not worship punnys(who knew that punnys did not exist)... would that mean he or she was conceding the point??? No, it would not, the person would simply be stating that we should not worship them, especially if punnys were just figments of our imagination!

And now for some good biblical evidence......


DEUTERONOMY 6:4 Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

DEUTERONOMY 32: 39 See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me.

Isaiah 44: 6 This is what the Lord says, Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 45: 5 I am the Lord, there is no other; apart from me there is no God.

New Testament
Mark 12: 29 Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.

James 2:19 says, "You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that - and shudder."

 

[SwordOfGod]

Why don't you come over to my, "Was Paul a Trinitarian?", and substantiate this dogma?

Why don't you give evidence against it here?

 

[SwordOfGod]

Denouncing the christianity of denominations which are not one's own seems to be a popular passtime on this forum. Just an observation.

Why not focus on your own christianity and not worry about insulting others who consider themselves to be christian (I am not directing to the original poster here, but to everyone in general).

Peace.

I am not writng this to insult... In my first post I wrote

The reason I have written is not to hurt anyone and not to judge others. I write because I worry that so many are taking a path that will lead to a place that they do not wish to go. The Bible speaks for itself and I ask if anyone who can hear its voice truly believe that the Church of the Latter Day Saints holds the path to Salvation?

When I write I use biblical evidence that appears to me to contradict the Mormon faith, and out of love (and to develop debating ability ) I post it and hope that people will read it and see the truth.

 

[SwordOfGod]

And all true Scotsman drink grape juice.

John 8:42 says clearly that Jesus didn’t send himself, God sent him thus Jesus isn’t God. You can add all the conjecture you want, but it isn’t what the verse says.

Actually we believe that the Holy Spirit and the Father were in heaven at the time that Christ was on Earth (that whole thing about sending the Holy Spirit when He reached Heaven). These Persons are two parts of the Trinity and are God, Christ Himself was also God and so He was indeed sent from God.

 

[peepnklown]

These Persons are two parts of the Trinity and are God, Christ Himself was also God and so He was indeed sent from God.

John 8:42 contracts your belief. Jesus (whom you believe is God) says that he didn’t send himself.

 

[chokmah]

Why don't you give evidence against it here?

So as to be courteous to the author of the OP and not derail. It's a lot easier to discuss one topic on a thread and let it ride.

Am I to presume that you're not up for going over to the other thread to substantiate your POV?

 

[Cassiopeia]

Actually we believe that the Holy Spirit and the Father were in heaven at the time that Christ was on Earth (that whole thing about sending the Holy Spirit when He reached Heaven). These Persons are two parts of the Trinity and are God, Christ Himself was also God and so He was indeed sent from God.

So he sent himself? So he was making his own voice sound from the heavens like a ventrilaquist? And then he decends from heaven in the form of a dove while John the Baptist was baptising him? Isn't that a bit deceptive?

 

[SwordOfGod]

So he sent himself? So he was making his own voice sound from the heavens like a ventrilaquist? And then he decends from heaven in the form of a dove while John the Baptist was baptising him? Isn't that a bit deceptive?

Not at all, I never said that the triunity of God was able to be concieved fully by the Human mind... God is not simple, He is infinite and therefore I should think that any aspect of Him is unconceivable. God is three (at least three actually) and One, also you'll notice that the closest description was time... we really cannot fully concieve of either things but perhaps we are more familiar with time. Please do not tell me that the Trinity is hard to understand because it is man-made, this is not true at all and I will repeat that there is no reason to assume that God is some simple to understand finite being. I think its worth pointing out that there is also no reason to assume that the different persons, aspects, whatever of the Trinity are incapable of being in different places, even different universes at the same time (By the way the voice is the Father, not the Son, though they can be looked at as the same, and indeed are the same ).

 

[arunma]

So he sent himself? So he was making his own voice sound from the heavens like a ventrilaquist? And then he decends from heaven in the form of a dove while John the Baptist was baptising him? Isn't that a bit deceptive?

This is actually the reason that Modalism is considered a heresy. It is illogical to say that God sent himself into the world.

This logical dillema is resolved by understanding that the three Persons of the Trinity are distinct, yet coeternal and not separate. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are not the same Person, even though they are the same God.

 

[SwordOfGod]

So as to be courteous to the author of the OP and not derail. It's a lot easier to discuss one topic on a thread and let it ride.

Am I to presume that you're not up for going over to the other thread to substantiate your POV?

Of course I'll go to the other thread and substantiate my point of view, after all what else am I going to do ? I have no life....

I accept your challenge.

 

[Cassiopeia]

This is actually the reason that Modalism is considered a heresy. It is illogical to say that God sent himself into the world.

This logical dillema is resolved by understanding that the three Persons of the Trinity are distinct, yet coeternal and not separate. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are not the same Person, even though they are the same God.

just more double talk. Sorry but I can't buy into it.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Not at all, I never said that the triunity of God was able to be concieved fully by the Human mind... God is not simple, He is infinite and therefore I should think that any aspect of Him is unconceivable. God is three (at least three actually) and One, also you'll notice that the closest description was time... we really cannot fully concieve of either things but perhaps we are more familiar with time. Please do not tell me that the Trinity is hard to understand because it is man-made, this is not true at all and I will repeat that there is no reason to assume that God is some simple to understand finite being. I think its worth pointing out that there is also no reason to assume that the different persons, aspects, whatever of the Trinity are incapable of being in different places, even different universes at the same time (By the way the voice is the Father, not the Son, though they can be looked at as the same, and indeed are the same ).

Oh but of course it is man-made and that way man can keep saying we can't comprehend God so they can twist the meanings behind any message that has ever been or might be delivered. To keep man dependant up those who would interpret for them..so we can be mindless sheep and parrot theology without ever giving a serious thought as to what it means.

 

[MQTA]

just more double talk. Sorry but I can't buy into it.

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[SwordOfGod]

Oh but of course it is man-made and that way man can keep saying we can't comprehend God so they can twist the meanings behind any message that has ever been or might be delivered. To keep man dependant up those who would interpret for them..so we can be mindless sheep and parrot theology without ever giving a serious thought as to what it means.

I don't think that you know who I am Casiopeia... I am 16 years old and I am no brighter than the next person, I study the Bible diligently to understand God's purpose for me in my life, it has been a wonderful journey. I am also not a mindless sheep, I interpret for myself what the Bible says and I can honestly tell you that I find the concept of the Trinity to be the most fitting description of God according to the Bible. I do not find the Mormon concept of God to be anywhere close to what the old and new testaments of the Bible state about God.

 

[arunma]

just more double talk. Sorry but I can't buy into it.

Why not? Could you please explain why you disagree with the argument that I have presented?

 

[SwordOfGod]

Also, the Bible says that God is infinite, as we cannot comprehend infinity in any way (or at least I can't), why should we assume that His form or forms or being or whatever you wish to call it, are easy to comprehend?

 

[SwordOfGod]

Also, I cannot find the "was paul a trinitarian?" thread(I think it died)... As I started this thread and the question of whether God is a trinity or not is vital as to the question of whether the Mormon church is Christian, then, please, whoever it was that challenged me, feel free to debate with me on this thread.

 

[MQTA]

http://www.christianforums.com/t2457869-was-paul-a-trinitarian.html&page=5#post21105700

 

[SwordOfGod]

Darn you!!!

 

[SwordOfGod]