Why Mormons aren't christians.

[SwordOfGod]

I agree with Casiopeia. Romans 10:9 states that whomever believes IN THEIR HEART that Jesus is Lord and confesses it, they shall be saved. It doesn't matter if they are Muslim, Protestant, Mormon, etc. God sees our hearts for what they really are. He knows who believes and who doesn't.

I would also like to add that believing Jesus is Lord isn't enough. We must committ our WHOLE SELVES to Him if we wish to live eternity in Heaven. Remember, even Satan believes in God, but does not obey Him.

Ahh... but there inlies the rub... Mormons and Muslims do not confess Jesus as Lord (being in the sense that Jesus is the One and Only God).

It doesn't matter if they are Muslim, Protestant, Mormon, etc. God sees our hearts for what they really are.

Certainly, God will judge us later and He will decide who goes to Heaven, however, we are not debating who is going to Heaven or not, we are deciding what the def. of Christianity is.(these are infact two different debates)

 

[SwordOfGod]

Could ya'll please cut the debating about whether we are saved through grace or through works, unless you can show how it relates to the Mormon Church.

 

[SwordOfGod]

It is strange that the Mormons believe only the Father is to be worshipped, when many times Jesus is worshipped and He had no objection...

• Matt. 2:2, 8, 11 Wisemen at Jesus' birth

• Matt. 8:2 - the leper He healed

• Matt. 9:18 - the ruler

• Matt. 14:33 the apostles after He walked on water.

• Matt. 15:25 - Canaanite woman

• Matt. 20:20 - mother of James & John

• Matt. 28:9 - the disciples

• Matt. 28:17 - the apostles

• Luke 24:51-52 - the Apostles at the ascension.

• John 9:38 - the blind man he healed

• Mark 15:19 - some 'mockingly' worshipped Him

• God (the father) COMMANDED such worship of the Son -

• Hebrews 1:6 - "And again, when he bringeth in the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him"

 

[Apex]

Ahh... but there inlies the rub... Mormons and Muslims do not confess Jesus as Lord (being in the sense that Jesus is the One and Only God).

What??? How do you know if we confess Jesus as Lord? This is something that we do, just to let you know. Simply because our view of Jesus and God differs from yours does not mean we do not accept him as Lord and God. We belive that all three members of the godhead are one in purpose making them one God.

Certainly, God will judge us later and He will decide who goes to Heaven, however, we are not debating who is going to Heaven or not, we are deciding what the def. of Christianity is.(these are infact two different debates)

Deffinition of Christian...

Chris·tian ([font=verdana,sans-serif] P [/font]) Pronunciation Key (kr

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adj.

1. Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.

We profess belief in Jesus as Christ and follow his teachings. So we are Christian. Matter settled.

 

[Cassiopeia]

And people wonder why I left Christianity. Good grief Sword...you are awefully young to be so trapped in rethoric.

May your faith in God bring you to see just how very wrong this is.

 

[peepnklown]

And people wonder why I left Christianity.

It’s all about who’s ideology (interpretation) is correct, and it has become petty.

 

[dlamberth]

What??? How do you know if we confess Jesus as Lord?

Not unlike what thought police do , he judges the mental concepts that others have of God. A result of that process is that he does not need to look into the heart of those whom he maligns to see if the face of God is actually there or not.

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[Antoinette.Marie]

Becoming a beleiver isn't an easy path to take, but I honestly can't say that someone who is Muslim, Mormon, Jewish, etc. cannot confess Jesus as Lord, and be a believer. How can anyone know the heart of ANYONE?? Only God knows. I don't think it's fair for other believers to say that one whom is anything other than Christian cannot believe in Jesus. How in the world would we know that?

 

[MQTA]

Well, maybe not ALL Christians think that way, but I know I do. Salvation comes by faith and confessing that Jesus is Lord. By following His path, it is our duty as believers to love thy neighbor, welcome our brothers and sisters into our homes, etc.

I like what Received, Charlie V, and Soul_Searcher says on that topic. The act was done for all. Whatever..

 

[dlamberth]

Becoming a beleiver isn't an easy path to take, but I honestly can't say that someone who is Muslim, Mormon, Jewish, etc. cannot confess Jesus as Lord, and be a believer. How can anyone know the heart of ANYONE?? Only God knows. I don't think it's fair for other believers to say that one whom is anything other than Christian cannot believe in Jesus. How in the world would we know that?

It's not that hard. One whom has Christ in their heart and soul will be making God a reality by living the essence of what we find in Matthew 25 just as they will also be living the essence of what we find in the Sermon on the Mount. Even if one is not able to fully live by those teachings, if we open our soul to others, we can still see how much God is alive with in them. When God is in human beings, He is not able to hide.


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[Antoinette.Marie]

I like what Received, Charlie V, and Soul_Searcher says on that topic. The act was done for all. Whatever..

I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

 

[MQTA]

Exactly.

Have a nice day

 

[obi1kanobi]

First of all I am talking about Christ's ideas about Christianity not mine, second of all I am talking about Christianity not Judaism. Third of all ancient Judaism (I won't bother with modern) believed in one god as I showed above(old testament stuff), and believe that there was a pluralty(is that a word?) about Him. They had to, just look at Genesis 1: 26. And fourthly, while it is true that we do not have the original manuscripts for the books of the Bible, we do have second and third copies. Such a close dating pretty much would elaminate the chance of someone going in and changing the scriptures(perhaps trying to unite the two religions?) which clearly state the doctrine of the trinity is as I have stated above. If one truly believes that the bible is the infallible word of God ten one must except this.

Like Blind Bats who trust there ears to find there way around.
The Blind continue to lead th Blind !
Your idea of a christian, (NOT JESUS CHRISTS !) is based upon squabaling power crazed polititions brought together by a sun-worshiper (Constantine) in Nicea, 365 years after the death of Christ. Who, went on to invent the LUDICROUS idea of the Trinity ! Oh, and don´t forget, the Holy Ghost was NOT accepted as part of the Godhead until 65 years later !
The cecullar "christian" NONESENSE about the Trinity is SO ABSURD !!!
Check out John 10: 28 to 39 and Psalms 82 : 6.
Pray about it and ask God The Eternal Father what is True !!!
James 1 : 4-5.

 

[obi1kanobi]

How is it that you can quote these scriptures about there being one God... and then not be able to give a good enough explanation of whatthat actually means. Christianity cannot explain the Trinity... yet they believe it out of fear.

Who is speaking in these verses?

God the father
God the son
God the Holy Spirit

?????

Which one is the true God? Trinity is so confusing.

Read Genesis 6 and Job 38 verses 4 and seven.
The Nicean Creed is Absurd and NONESENSE ! Put together by arguing Politically orientated power crazed men and a sun worshipper, and you trust that !!!

 

[obi1kanobi]

Christs ideas about Christianity come from absolutely any page from the bible, he is the spoken Word of God and the bible is the written word of God. When God is speaking in the Bible, it is simply excepted as God. When the verses were written the Holy Spirit inspired the Author to write the verse, the One who was speaking was the Word or physical expression and part of God, and finally the Father allowed them to speak and write the words. The Trinity is One God and each part is separate and one. Please understand that God is very much like time, There are past, present and future, yet they is only time. In that same way The Father, Son and Holy Spirit can think separatly, work seperatly, even be in two different places, while still being one God.

We are instructed from Christ to be of ONE MIND, ONE HEART and ONE SPIRIT.
We should be this, but we REMAIN INDIVIDUAL !
Who are the SONS (Plural) of GOD ? Genesis 6: Job 38: 4 and 7

 

[obi1kanobi]

There has been no explanation that I have ever read to support the God being all three persons but only one being. To take it from one perspective, Jesus being baptised by immersion by John the Baptist, hears a voice from heaven, saying, this is my Beloved Son in whom I am well pleased and then sees the Holy Ghost descending as a dove.

Now let us be rational here. This tidbit, lends one to think the possible following,

1. Jesus heard voices and saw figments of his imagination.

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2. Something is missing from the scriptures to explain this situation.

One can conclude that God the Father and Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost reside in different forms or bodies. Or one can continue to believe that God is mysterious and we have no ability to understand him.

Take your flavour. It really doesn't change if someone is a christian or not. What defines a Christian is one who follows after and believes in Jesus teachings.

Now as someone who left the LDS faith some years back, I participated from 18-43, Mormons most fervently DO believe in Jesus. There is nothing that they don't do that isn't done in his name. Children are blessed (christened) in his name. People are baptised in the Name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. Sacraments are blessed and taken in his name. Prayers are always concluded in Jesus name. I could go on but you get the idea.

Just because there are those who would lie about Mormons for their own personal agenda doesn't mean they aren't Christian. If we are to start ruling out who is or isn't Christian based on what other people think then I vote no one be allowed to carry the banner of christian because in my experience, no one is perfect at following what Jesus taught.

GOD BLESS YOU SISTER !

 

[obi1kanobi]

I agree that different denominations have differing doctrines, however that is not what I am writing about. I am writing about how the Bible, the word of God, contradicts the Book of Mormon which plainly states that there are multiple gods, as I pointed out in my first post. Also, I will not defend modern Christianity and its many different twists on the Bible, I firmly believe that a great deal of the modern churches(perhaps even whole denominations) are corrupt. However, if we agree that modern christianity is corrupt than how can we truly be a believer, how can we divorce ourselves from the bounds of doctrine and know what it truly means to be Christian? The Truth enlies in the difference between religion and Spirituality. This is the very essence of Christianity, it is the very point of the Church, it is the difference between the personal and the impersonal. That one can have a personal relationship with God Himself through His death on the cross, that we may be filled with Him and live eternally with Him, this is the one true message and point to life... according to the Bible, not the church.

Have you read about in who´s IMAGE we are created ?
Have you read about the theological misunderstandings of the word GOD or GOD`S ? Genesis 6: Job 38: 4 and 7 and the "Mysterous" conseption of what GOD looks like ? HAS JESUS NOW A BODY OF FLESH AND BLOOD ???

 

[ccastellow]

Who are the SONS (Plural) of GOD ? Genesis 6: Job 38: 4 and 7

I believe the sons of God were the angels!

 

[Blackmarch]

--Doesn't mean he wasn't, either. It could be that he was just another man, not a God. Unless you have uncontrovertible evidence for your point, I think mine stands. The Old Testament clearly says NO man is God, and the son of man isn't God either. What's the title Jesus uses so often? Son of man? Hm. Direct contradiction there. Your argument fails.

actually something interesting is that it does not say no man is a god... But rather no man is God... no one on the earth is God, the being to whom Christ referred to as the Father... of which when the apostles bowed down and worshipped Christ, he told them to not worship him, but the Father (paraphrasing, sorry)

 

[obi1kanobi]

I believe the sons of God were the angels!

COP OUT !!!
WE ARE THE SONS OF GOD.
WE ARE HIS CHILDREN !