Why Mormons aren't christians.

[Psalmangel]

Yet, Jesus is (so-called) quoted separating himself from God, as a distinct being several times. For example: John 8:42 Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me; for I proceeded forth and have come from God, for I have not even come on My own initiative, but He sent Me. So, Mormons have a case.

Now tell me, do you follow Jesus or the Council of Nicaea?

Yes, because Jesus is God, there is no difference between loving the father and the son. Jesus is part human from Mary part... God. For God, nothing is impossible. He can be in multiple places all at once. He can play multiple roles and have multiple IDs all at once. He can even move in and out the space time continuum when ever he wants, thus giving him the abilityto travel in time. He can send his son, even if he is that son, to Earth and still be in Heaven... and still be the Father.

 

[Psalmangel]

First of all I am talking about Christ's ideas about Christianity not mine, second of all I am talking about Christianity not Judaism. Third of all ancient Judaism (I won't bother with modern) believed in one god as I showed above(old testament stuff), and believe that there was a pluralty(is that a word?) about Him. They had to, just look at Genesis 1: 26. And fourthly, while it is true that we do not have the original manuscripts for the books of the Bible, we do have second and third copies. Such a close dating pretty much would elaminate the chance of someone going in and changing the scriptures(perhaps trying to unite the two religions?) which clearly state the doctrine of the trinity is as I have stated above. If one truly believes that the bible is the infallible word of God ten one must except this.

In additon, Isaiah, which is also written in the Torah, does prophesy of the coming of Jesus.
Isaiah 11 (Contemporary English Version)

Contemporary English Version (CEV) Copyright © 1995 by American Bible Society





Isaiah 11

Peace at Last

1Like a branch that sprouts

from a stump,

someone from David's family [a] will someday be king.

2The Spirit of the LORD

will be with him

to give him understanding,

wisdom, and insight.

He will be powerful,

and he will know

and honor the LORD.

3His greatest joy will be

to obey the LORD.

This king won't judge

by appearances

or listen to rumors.

4The poor and the needy

will be treated with fairness

and with justice.

His word will be law

everywhere in the land,

and criminals

will be put to death.

5Honesty and fairness

will be his royal robes.

6Leopards will lie down

with young goats,

and wolves will rest

with lambs.

Calves and lions

will eat together

and be cared for

by little children.

7Cows and bears will share

the same pasture;

their young will rest

side by side.

Lions and oxen

will both eat straw.

8Little children will play

near snake holes.

They will stick their hands

into dens of poisonous snakes

and never be hurt.

9Nothing harmful will take place

on the LORD's holy mountain.

Just as water fills the sea,

the land will be filled

with people

who know

and honor the LORD.

God's People Will Come Back Home

10The time is coming when one of David's descendants [b] will be the signal for the people of all nations to come together. They will follow his advice, and his own nation will become famous. 11When that day comes, the Lord will again reach out his mighty arm and bring home his people who have survived in Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Ethiopia, [c] Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and the land along the coast. [d] 12He will give a signal to the nations, and he will bring together the refugees from Judah and Israel, who have been scattered all over the earth. 13Israel will stop being jealous of Judah, and Judah will no longer be the enemy of Israel. 14Instead, they will get together and attack the Philistines in the west. Then they will defeat the Edomites, the Moabites, and the Ammonites in the east. They will rule those people and take from them whatever they want. 15The Lord will dry up the arm of the Red Sea near Egypt, [e] and he will send a scorching wind to divide the Euphrates River into seven streams that anyone can step across. 16Then for his people who survive, there will be a good road from Assyria, just as there was a good road for their ancestors when they left Egypt.

Thus, speaking against what the New Testement has to say about Christ is speaking against what Isaiah has Prophesied.

 

[chokmah]

For those so interested, I have started a new thread in the General Apologetics Forum that touches on the background of this OP.

Was Paul a Trinitarian?

I have opened this up so that Christians can show me, by Paul's words in his letters, that he was a trinitarian.

Come take up the challenge!

 

[chokmah]

In additon, Isaiah, which is also written in the Torah, does prophesy of the coming of Jesus.
Isaiah 11 (Contemporary English Version)

Contemporary English Version (CEV) Copyright © 1995 by American Bible Society





Isaiah 11

Peace at Last

1Like a branch that sprouts

from a stump,

someone from David's family [a] will someday be king.

2The Spirit of the LORD

will be with him

to give him understanding,

wisdom, and insight.

He will be powerful,

and he will know

and honor the LORD.

3His greatest joy will be

to obey the LORD.

This king won't judge

by appearances

or listen to rumors.

4The poor and the needy

will be treated with fairness

and with justice.

His word will be law

everywhere in the land,

and criminals

will be put to death.

5Honesty and fairness

will be his royal robes.

6Leopards will lie down

with young goats,

and wolves will rest

with lambs.

Calves and lions

will eat together

and be cared for

by little children.

7Cows and bears will share

the same pasture;

their young will rest

side by side.

Lions and oxen

will both eat straw.

8Little children will play

near snake holes.

They will stick their hands

into dens of poisonous snakes

and never be hurt.

9Nothing harmful will take place

on the LORD's holy mountain.

Just as water fills the sea,

the land will be filled

with people

who know

and honor the LORD.

God's People Will Come Back Home

10The time is coming when one of David's descendants [b] will be the signal for the people of all nations to come together. They will follow his advice, and his own nation will become famous. 11When that day comes, the Lord will again reach out his mighty arm and bring home his people who have survived in Assyria, Egypt, Pathros, Ethiopia, [c] Elam, Shinar, Hamath, and the land along the coast. [d] 12He will give a signal to the nations, and he will bring together the refugees from Judah and Israel, who have been scattered all over the earth. 13Israel will stop being jealous of Judah, and Judah will no longer be the enemy of Israel. 14Instead, they will get together and attack the Philistines in the west. Then they will defeat the Edomites, the Moabites, and the Ammonites in the east. They will rule those people and take from them whatever they want. 15The Lord will dry up the arm of the Red Sea near Egypt, [e] and he will send a scorching wind to divide the Euphrates River into seven streams that anyone can step across. 16Then for his people who survive, there will be a good road from Assyria, just as there was a good road for their ancestors when they left Egypt.

Thus, speaking against what the New Testement has to say about Christ is speaking against what Isaiah has Prophesied.

There is NO prophesy about Jesus in the Tanakh whatsoever.

As a matter of fact, it's the Tanakh that shows that Jesus failed as the Jewish Messiah. Would you like to take that up in another thread?

 

[peepnklown]

And now we come once again to trinity doctrine which states that God is one, and that God is three persons.

I will always find this statement abnormal; because you are describing polytheism. The main point is that the Greek Scriptures support Mormon ideology of the Trinity.

Yes, because Jesus is God, there is no difference between loving the father and the son.

Thanks for your opinion, but if we are to believe that Jesus made this statement (John 8:42) then he is saying that he isn’t God.

In addition, Isaiah, which is also written in the Torah, does prophesy of the coming of Jesus.

Actually, Isaiah is not in the Torah. I offer the same challenge, as chokmah in post #244

 

[sensan2000]

Actually, if you want to be technical, the trinity is foreign to the Torah/Tanakh. Thus, according to Judaism (supported by the Torah/Tanakh) Christianity believes in multiple Gods.

I just started reading this thread, and this is close to the top, but I wanted to tell you that not all Christians believe in the Trinity. I am Oneness Pentecostal and believe in ONE God. I am very much a Christian, though.

 

[peepnklown]

I just started reading this thread, and this is close to the top, but I wanted to tell you that not all Christians believe in the Trinity. I am Oneness Pentecostal and believe in ONE God. I am very much a Christian, though.

Well, if you have read a few pages back you would find out that I am one of the people proclaiming that Mormons are Christian, I also said the same about Pentecostal Christians on your thread. I was basically saying that the Trinity is polytheist.

 

[SwordOfGod]

I just started reading this thread, and this is close to the top, but I wanted to tell you that not all Christians believe in the Trinity. I am Oneness Pentecostal and believe in ONE God. I am very much a Christian, though.

Forgive me but I disagree with your entire statement, first of all, Christians of course believe in only one God and we believe that He is a Trinity. We derive these beliefs from a) the verses stating that there is only one God, and b) the verses stating that there is a plurity about Him (Genesis 1:26), even further a triuness (is that a word?) about Him. How else are we to make sense of scenes like Christ's baptism(where the Father and Holy Spirit are present, and with the Son, Jesus, who is also God)? Should we assume the Mormon stance, that there are many gods? We cannot because of the overwhelming verses stating (some by God Himself) that HE is the only God and there are no others.

DEUTERONOMY 6:4 Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

DEUTERONOMY 32: 39 See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me.

Isaiah 44: 6 This is what the Lord says, Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God.

Isaiah 45: 5 I am the Lord, there is no other; apart from me there is no God.
New Testament
Mark 12: 29 Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One.

Now that the Word has established that there is indeed one God, is there any evidence that there is a trinity, and more importantly that Jesus is apart of that trinity?(KJV)

18) JOHN 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, {even} the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me

JOHN 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, {art} in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. (22) And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: (23) I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

MATTHEW 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

 

[SwordOfGod]

Well, if you have read a few pages back you would find out that I am one of the people proclaiming that Mormons are Christian, I also said the same about Pentecostal Christians on your thread. I was basically saying that the Trinity is polytheist.

Actually the Trinity is not a polytheist concept... All true Christians recognize that there is only one God.

 

[SwordOfGod]

Thanks for your opinion, but if we are to believe that Jesus made this statement (John 8:42) then he is saying that he isn’t God.

Yes, Jesus most certainly made that statement and no it doesn't contradict Trinity doctrine, nor the fact that Christ is God. Shall we take a close look at the Scriptures... (NIV)

Jesus said to them, If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but He sent me.

I assume this is the verse in question.... I don't see a problem, Christ made it clear that He was submissive to the Father, who is not another god but another part of the Trinity (like how the body is submissive the soul)... Also Christ was not all of God, He was the Word of God or the physical manifestation, the Body of God.. In Heaven dwelled the Spirit and the Father, who are also God. If none of this makes sense, please go back to the time metaphor a page back.

 

[charliedarwin]

I guess I'll reply to some of the general themes of this forum:

1.) Technically, Mormons (by this I refer to Latter Day Saints) are henotheistic not polytheistic. By this, I mean that Mormons are devoted to a single god but accept the existence of other gods. Mormon theology maintains that God the Father (Heavenly Father), Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct personages who together comprise the "Godhead" (as distinct from the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, which maintains that they are three persons but one in essence). All three members of the Godhead are eternal and equally divine, but play somewhat different roles. Mormons generally also believe, although it is not canonical, that God is eternally married to a Heavenly Mother. Heavenly Mother is believed to be entirely equal in status to Heavenly Father, a celestial Goddess and God, respectively, forever married to one another and preserving differing yet complementary roles of deity, although She is not explicitly referred to in doctrine, scripture, or other Church canons. Her existence is referred to briefly in the Church hymn titled "O My Father" (Hymn number 292), and it is presumed from Church teachings proclaiming that each person is a "spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents". Thus, Her existence is simply acknowledged by Church members and leadership, but She is not worshipped nor is made the object of prayer. It is commonly surmised that She is deliberately and safely protected in anonymity by Heavenly Father, whereby no human knows Her name. As a matter of worship, Mormons believe in one God as taught in the Scriptures. This God is represented in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Though the existence of other gods or divine beings is acknowledged by the Church of Latter Day Saints and its members, this fact is considered almost irrelevant to salvation: the other gods—which Latter-day Saints would refer to as exalted beings—have no impact on this sphere of existence, nor is their eternal role defined.
2.) Mormons are Christian in that they believe Jesus is the Savior of Mankind and view faith in him as a prerequisite for salvation. They also view him as the Son of God. But, Mormonism differs from traditional Christianity in the same way traditional Christianity came to differ from Judaism. The significant differences in core beliefs and religious practices could be used to make a case to support the idea that Mormons are not Christians. Yet, I bet most Mormons would sort of agree with this because according to their religion they are the only true Christians. So maybe they might actually agree that they are distinct from traditional Christianity.
3.) Although Christians adamantly label themselves as monotheists, some argue that Christianity is properly a form of henotheism (devotion to single god, but belief in other gods). Most forms of Christianity include the belief in a Christian Godhead consisting of God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, with God the Father being the dominant "actor" and "creator" – though many Christians reject the view that God the Father is supreme over Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. However, Trinitarian Christians strongly reject the view that the three persons of the Godhead are three distinct gods. Rather, they describe the three persons as having a single "substance", thus counting as one god. The Council of Nicea (325 C.E.) affirmed that God was "One Substance (Greek Ousia) and three Persona (Greek Hypostasis)". The Christian Trinity, like the Classical Pagan Hypostasis and Hindu Trimurti, has an impersonal divine substance as its unifying principle. In addition, many Christians believe in what some consider to be a "pantheon" of angels, demons, and/or Saints that are inferior to the Trinity. Christians do not label these beings as "gods", although they are attributed with supernatural powers, and are sometimes the object of prayer. When Christianity was adopted by Greco-Roman pagans or African slaves, the new converts attributed to these saints features of their previous polytheistic figures. In some cases, these beliefs have developed out of the Catholic church and form syncretisms like Santeria. These beliefs are similar to Hinduism which distinguishes between God in the form of Vishnu or Shiva, and devas which are subordinate to God and who supervise forces of nature such as Agni (i.e., fire) or Vayu (i.e., wind.). Some non-trinitarian denominations of Christianity are more clearly henotheistic. Christian Gnosticism is generally henotheistic. In addition, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) views the members of the Christian Godhead as three distinct beings, where God the Father is supreme. Some Latter Day Saints also believe in the existence of numerous other gods and goddesses who have no direct relevance to this Earth or humanity. Though not explicitly discussed in canonical scripture, some Latter Day Saints also acknowledge a Heavenly Mother in addition to God the Father. However, Mormons worship one God. It is most easily summed up as worshipping God the Father through the Son, Jesus the Christ.

In summary, the fact that Mormons acknowledge the existence of more than one god does not exclude them from Christianity. In fact, Christianity seems just as henotheistic as Mormonism. I think that the great differences in their core beliefs is a better criterion for classifying Mormonism as non-Christian.

In the end, I guess it is a battle of semantics. You can say Christianity is "monotheistic" because it says three persons make up one god. If that makes you Trinitarian Christians feel "monotheistic", then good for you. To me, it seems that Christianity is most definately polytheistic in reality but monotheistic in practice. Consider it this way: the U.S. has only one federal government, but that federal government is made up of many politicans. The fact that the politicians all occupy a single establishment doesn't mean that we elect one government. No, we elect many politicians who occupy that government. In the same way, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all occupy a single establishment: godhood. But, there are still distinct individuals in this establishment. Christians are worshipping three different individuals who occupy one position. If this weren't true, then why are thre specific references to "Jesus", "God", or the "Holy Spirit" in prayers or texts? If they are truly one god, then why don't Christians simply refer to them as god in all instances? The fact is that each individual has a unique identity and role (maybe even rank) so there is a definite distinction.

 

[newyorksaint]

Very creative! I have never heard that one before! I must disagree however, there are no gods beside YHWH, as evidenced by God later saying...

DEUTERONOMY 32: 39 See now that I myself am He! There is no god besides me.

now, if we except the Bible as the unerring word of God then we must come to the conclusion that God was saying that we must not put any other "gods" before Him since there are no others beside Him and they are therefore false.

While we may accept the possiblity of other higher beings (gods, if you will), there is no other God, save the one that we worship. He is the Highest, the Supreme Being, the Almighty, etc. We don't put any other before Him, and indeed, He is the only one-the only Creator of this world, the only Saviour of this world. Only He could do that. (And, yes, I am refering to Christ, the Father, and the Holy Ghost as primarily One, as they are in purpose, and it saves me having to type out a long-winded explanation. )

 

[SwordOfGod]

While we may accept the possiblity of other higher beings (gods, if you will), there is no other God, save the one that we worship. He is the Highest, the Supreme Being, the Almighty, etc. We don't put any other before Him, and indeed, He is the only one-the only Creator of this world, the only Saviour of this world. Only He could do that. (And, yes, I am refering to Christ, the Father, and the Holy Ghost as primarily One, as they are in purpose, and it saves me having to type out a long-winded explanation. )

....Interesting statement.... Joseph Smith believed adamently that there were other gods.... I suppose we could pretend that this doctrine is not a major tenet of the Mormon religion because it does not(seemingly) effect salvation, but then the Bible is pretty adament about the whole only one God thing.... I will repeat that the Trinity is only one God, no other reason is needed other than the Bible tells us this. Further, I should think that if this doctrine is false that perhaps all of the ideas about salvation in the mormon church should be questioned...

guess I'll reply to some of the general themes of this forum:

1.) Technically, Mormons (by this I refer to Latter Day Saints) are henotheistic not polytheistic. By this, I mean that Mormons are devoted to a single god but accept the existence of other gods. Mormon theology maintains that God the Father (Heavenly Father), Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three separate and distinct personages who together comprise the "Godhead" (as distinct from the traditional doctrine of the Trinity, which maintains that they are three persons but one in essence). All three members of the Godhead are eternal and equally divine, but play somewhat different roles. Mormons generally also believe, although it is not canonical, that God is eternally married to a Heavenly Mother. Heavenly Mother is believed to be entirely equal in status to Heavenly Father, a celestial Goddess and God, respectively, forever married to one another and preserving differing yet complementary roles of deity, although She is not explicitly referred to in doctrine, scripture, or other Church canons. Her existence is referred to briefly in the Church hymn titled "O My Father" (Hymn number 292), and it is presumed from Church teachings proclaiming that each person is a "spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents". Thus, Her existence is simply acknowledged by Church members and leadership, but She is not worshipped nor is made the object of prayer. It is commonly surmised that She is deliberately and safely protected in anonymity by Heavenly Father, whereby no human knows Her name. As a matter of worship, Mormons believe in one God as taught in the Scriptures. This God is represented in God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. Though the existence of other gods or divine beings is acknowledged by the Church of Latter Day Saints and its members, this fact is considered almost irrelevant to salvation: the other gods—which Latter-day Saints would refer to as exalted beings—have no impact on this sphere of existence, nor is their eternal role defined.
2.) Mormons are Christian in that they believe Jesus is the Savior of Mankind and view faith in him as a prerequisite for salvation. They also view him as the Son of God. But, Mormonism differs from traditional Christianity in the same way traditional Christianity came to differ from Judaism. The significant differences in core beliefs and religious practices could be used to make a case to support the idea that Mormons are not Christians. Yet, I bet most Mormons would sort of agree with this because according to their religion they are the only true Christians. So maybe they might actually agree that they are distinct from traditional Christianity.
3.) Although Christians adamantly label themselves as monotheists, some argue that Christianity is properly a form of henotheism (devotion to single god, but belief in other gods). Most forms of Christianity include the belief in a Christian Godhead consisting of God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, with God the Father being the dominant "actor" and "creator" – though many Christians reject the view that God the Father is supreme over Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. However, Trinitarian Christians strongly reject the view that the three persons of the Godhead are three distinct gods. Rather, they describe the three persons as having a single "substance", thus counting as one god. The Council of Nicea (325 C.E.) affirmed that God was "One Substance (Greek Ousia) and three Persona (Greek Hypostasis)". The Christian Trinity, like the Classical Pagan Hypostasis and Hindu Trimurti, has an impersonal divine substance as its unifying principle. In addition, many Christians believe in what some consider to be a "pantheon" of angels, demons, and/or Saints that are inferior to the Trinity. Christians do not label these beings as "gods", although they are attributed with supernatural powers, and are sometimes the object of prayer. When Christianity was adopted by Greco-Roman pagans or African slaves, the new converts attributed to these saints features of their previous polytheistic figures. In some cases, these beliefs have developed out of the Catholic church and form syncretisms like Santeria. These beliefs are similar to Hinduism which distinguishes between God in the form of Vishnu or Shiva, and devas which are subordinate to God and who supervise forces of nature such as Agni (i.e., fire) or Vayu (i.e., wind.). Some non-trinitarian denominations of Christianity are more clearly henotheistic. Christian Gnosticism is generally henotheistic. In addition, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormonism) views the members of the Christian Godhead as three distinct beings, where God the Father is supreme. Some Latter Day Saints also believe in the existence of numerous other gods and goddesses who have no direct relevance to this Earth or humanity. Though not explicitly discussed in canonical scripture, some Latter Day Saints also acknowledge a Heavenly Mother in addition to God the Father. However, Mormons worship one God. It is most easily summed up as worshipping God the Father through the Son, Jesus the Christ.

In summary, the fact that Mormons acknowledge the existence of more than one god does not exclude them from Christianity. In fact, Christianity seems just as henotheistic as Mormonism. I think that the great differences in their core beliefs is a better criterion for classifying Mormonism as non-Christian.

In the end, I guess it is a battle of semantics. You can say Christianity is "monotheistic" because it says three persons make up one god. If that makes you Trinitarian Christians feel "monotheistic", then good for you. To me, it seems that Christianity is most definately polytheistic in reality but monotheistic in practice. Consider it this way: the U.S. has only one federal government, but that federal government is made up of many politicans. The fact that the politicians all occupy a single establishment doesn't mean that we elect one government. No, we elect many politicians who occupy that government. In the same way, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit all occupy a single establishment: godhood. But, there are still distinct individuals in this establishment. Christians are worshipping three different individuals who occupy one position. If this weren't true, then why are thre specific references to "Jesus", "God", or the "Holy Spirit" in prayers or texts? If they are truly one god, then why don't Christians simply refer to them as god in all instances? The fact is that each individual has a unique identity and role (maybe even rank) so there is a definite distinction.

Very nicely put,

2.) Mormons are Christian in that they believe Jesus is the Savior of Mankind and view faith in him as a prerequisite for salvation. They also view him as the Son of God. But, Mormonism differs from traditional Christianity in the same way traditional Christianity came to differ from Judaism. The significant differences in core beliefs and religious practices could be used to make a case to support the idea that Mormons are not Christians. Yet, I bet most Mormons would sort of agree with this because according to their religion they are the only true Christians. So maybe they might actually agree that they are distinct from traditional Christianity.

I think it's worth pointing out that this faith means nothing if one deny's the biblical passages stating that Christ is God the One and Only, (in His words) the I AM.

Christians are worshipping three different individuals who occupy one position. If this weren't true, then why are thre specific references to "Jesus", "God", or the "Holy Spirit" in prayers or texts? If they are truly one god, then why don't Christians simply refer to them as god in all instances? The fact is that each individual has a unique identity and role (maybe even rank) so there is a definite distinction.

Why do we refer to time in terms of past, present, and future when all of it is time? God is a Trinity, God is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, Why? because He says He is. He also says He is ONE.

 

[SwordOfGod]

 

[peepnklown]

Actually the Trinity is not a polytheist concept... All true Christians recognize that there is only one God.

And all true Scotsman drink grape juice.

John 8:42 says clearly that Jesus didn’t send himself, God sent him thus Jesus isn’t God. You can add all the conjecture you want, but it isn’t what the verse says.

 

[Cassiopeia]

How plain is it that even in the Ten Commandments, It states..Thou Shalt have NO OTHER GODS before me.

It is plain there are other Gods but that those who believe in the God of Abraham are commanded not to worship any others but him.

 

[GodsNhilist]

Denouncing the christianity of denominations which are not one's own seems to be a popular passtime on this forum. Just an observation.

Why not focus on your own christianity and not worry about insulting others who consider themselves to be christian (I am not directing to the original poster here, but to everyone in general).

Peace.

 

[Deren]

Why not focus on your own christianity and not worry about insulting others who consider themselves to be christian (I am not directing to the original poster here, but to everyone in general).

If you understood the Bible, and the admonitions from persons like Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, and Jude, then you would understand why Christians have not only been commanded to "beware of false prophets" (Matt. 7:15), but also why it is necessary for knowledgeable Christians to warn other Christians about the "savage wolves" (Acts 20:28) out in world parading about a "sheep" whose sole intent is to be ruthless to those that are weaker Christians. And CF is a breeding ground for all kinds of false claims of Christianity. Therefore, it becomes imperative that those false claims and characters are exposed, for the sake of those who might otherwise be devoured by the "ungodly" (Jude 4).

 

[chokmah]

Hey SwordOfGod,

Why don't you come over to my, "Was Paul a Trinitarian?", and substantiate this dogma?

 

[MQTA]

How plain is it that even in the Ten Commandments, It states..Thou Shalt have NO OTHER GODS before me.

[bible]exodus 20:3[/bible]

It is plain there are other Gods but that those who believe in the God of Abraham are commanded not to worship any others but him.

[bible]exodus 15:11[/bible]
[bible]exodus 18:11[/bible]
[bible]exodus 22:20[/bible]
[bible]exodus 23:13[/bible][bible]exodus 23:24[/bible]
[bible]exodus 23:32[/bible][bible]exodus 34:14[/bible]
[bible]deuteronomy 6:14-15[/bible]
[bible]numbers 33:4[/bible]
[bible]1 samuel 28:13[/bible]
[bible]zephaniah 2:11[/bible]