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Why Jesus won't reign on this Earth for 1,000 years

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by random person, Jul 19, 2014.

  1. DavidPT

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    I'm meaning things like ruling with a rod of iron, for instance. Why is that something He can only do in this age, but not the next age instead? As long as He fulfills it, regardless as to when, that should be what counts.
     
  2. ebedmelech

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    What scripture do you cite that says that?
     
  3. ebedmelech

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    You cannot see that throughout history since the cross? Can you not see the spiritual warfare going on around you?
     
  4. ewq1938

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    Posted them a few times already but the main ones are Rev 2 and 19.
     
  5. ebedmelech

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    Oh yes. We've been through those...and again we disagree.

    Nothing in those passages make this a future event as Jesus letters were to 7 existent churches of that time in Revelation 2. Revelation 19 is the fall of Jerusalem.
     
  6. ewq1938

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    Rev 19, Armageddon is 66 miles from Jerusalem and has nothing to do with that city. Nothing in the text supports that view. The passage tells us after Christ returns he is going to rule the nations with a rod of iron.

    Rev 2 includes the second coming and events that come after it, the rod of iron reign.
     
  7. ebedmelech

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    Not as I read it in light of scripture. It comes from Psalm 110 and it says nothing of the end. Armageddon is symbolism that goes back to former battles Israel fought.

    No. Revelation 2:18-28 is to the church at Thyatira and has nothing to do with the end.
     
  8. ewq1938

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    Nope. It's the battle of Armageddon when Christ returns. Your exegesis is way off on this.
     
  9. DavidPT

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    Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

    Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


    Do you believe what I have underlined below was already fulfilled in the first century, thus has nothing to do with the next age and what I underlined above? IOW, what I have underlined above and below, none of it involves the next age, and that it all only involved the first century, thus already fulfilled, nothing future about any of it?

    Revelation 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
    Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.
     
  10. Marilyn C

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    Hi ebedmelech,

    So one of the churches was going well then down the road people were getting martyred, and another had great error, etc? That was not happening in John`s time.

    Jesus is the Head of the Body and He is in the midst of the Body of Christ down through the centuries and across the world. He holds the power and authority over them to build, nourish and mature the believers.

    The number seven indicates completeness. So Rev. 1 - 3 represents the Lord in relation to His Body from the heavenly perspective.

    Marilyn.
     
  11. BABerean2

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    Based on Psalm 2, what does the "son" do to the imperfect pottery with the rod of Iron?

    Does He correct it like a schoolmaster, or does He destroy it?

    Psa 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
    Psa 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
    Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
    Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.



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  12. ebedmelech

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    If you think so. The return of Christ is in Revelation 20:7-10, It's called the Gog and Magog war...it's followed by judgment at vss 11-15.
     
  13. ebedmelech

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    No. What you have above is a description of the new heaven and earth. It's the paradise of God restored. That is not a "next age" that is eternity...it never ends because "time" doesn't matter. Ages are based on time.

    Think about what Jesus said at John 16:33:
    33 These things I have spoken to you, so that in Me you may have peace. In the world you have tribulation, but take courage; I have overcome the world.”

    We overcome because Christ is the OVERCOMER. Jesus said "he who has ears to hear"...and those who hear are believers! Romans 8:37-39:
    37 But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us.
    38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers,
    39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.


    This is because Jesus reigns now!
     
  14. ebedmelech

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    Indeed it was. Each church was evaluated by Christ in light of the tribulation they were experiencing, with more to come.

    Naturally Jesus is the Head of the body...which is why He reigns right now by His power!

    What you have in Revelation 2-3 is 7 churches...and the spiritual condition of each church. They are not "church ages" as some teach. Those churches were in tribulation...as John had already told us at Revelation 1:9.

    We can always learn from the written word Marilyn...and from what Jesus says of these churches we can take to heart even today as we see the church under siege spiritually all over the world today!
     
  15. DavidPT

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    We're on the same page here then, because the next age to me is meaning eternity. If you don't want to call it the next age, that's fine, yet we both are still referring to the same time---eternity. You indicated because ages are based on time. In your mind then, there can be no such thing as an endless age?


    But I may need to start over though since I may have misunderstood some of your other points you were making in this thread as of late. Once I feel I'm on the same page with you about some of those things, I might get back to the point I have been trying to make over all.
     
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  16. DavidPT

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    I don't have a dispute with Jesus is now reigning. That doesn't mean He is reigning in every sense though.

    What about the following passage?

    Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

    How do you apply that verse to the here and now, this present age we have been living in?

    As to overcomers, does what you said above indicate one is already eating from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God, in this present age we have been living in? If the ruling with a rod of iron is already applicable to the overcomers, in this present age we have been living in, to be consistent, the same would have to be true of eating from the tree of life by the overcomers, that they are already doing this in this present age we are currently living in.
     
  17. ebedmelech

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    I see where you're going...but eternity is not an "age" as I see it scripturally..."ages" are based on time periods, and time is irrelevant in eternity. So you understand where I'm coming from, Ephesians 1:21 speaks of "not only this age, but in the one to come". I see Paul there, as speaking of he's in where there is a transition (so to speak) from the Old Covenant age, which was with Israel as God's chosen people, to the New Covenant age, where God's people are all who are in Christ. I see them as "the Israel of God". The fall of Jerusalem in AD 70, ended the Old Covenant age. That's how I see things now...we are in "the age to come" (also called "the church age"...and it will end with the return of Christ. This is something I'm still working through.

    Well, just so you know, from my perspective briefly, Revelation is about the destruction of Jerusalem, but it merges that with the 1000 year reign of Christ, which the figure "1000" represents an undetermined period of time since Christ was resurrected and received all authority from the Father, as Matthew 28:18 asserts. As I see it we are in that period until the return of Christ, followed by final judgement, and then eternity.
     
  18. DavidPT

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    Who are the heathen meaning here, and why is Jesus being given them as an inheritance? To do what with them? Utterly destroy them?
     
  19. ebedmelech

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    This is what Christ means at Matthew 28:18. That passage is showing Christ after making the sacrifice for sin. Notice Revelation 11:16-18 describes why Christ has received "the kingdom of this world".


    Not necessarily...because we will no longer be in flesh and blood bodies in eternity (1 Corinthians 15:50). I partly see the tree of life as figurative...not necessarily a literal tree. I'm not firm on that...but I liken it to Christ words in John 15:1-11.
     
  20. DavidPT

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    Wouldn't this mean you are cherry picking then? You apply some of what is promised to the overcomers, to this present age, while at the same time applying some of it to a future time. Personally, I think everything that Jesus promised to the overcomers via the 7 churches passages, none of those things are applicable until Jesus bodily returns first. And since any overcomers in the first century of these 7 churches Jesus was addressing, are all long gone and dead, the only way any of these things can be applicable to them in the future, they have to be bodily raised from the dead first, which is exactly what happens when Jesus returns bodily. This indicates that the ruling with a rod of iron is also meaning during a time when all overcomers have already put on literal immortality at the last trump.


    The pattern is the same pattern Jesus went by. He overcame first, then He was rewarded with having overcame. He was not already being rewarded while He was still in the process of overcoming. He wasn't rewarded with the honor of sitting on the right hand of God while He was still going through the process of overcoming, as an example. He overcame first, then He was rewarded with sitting on the right hand of God, plus all of the other things He was rewarded with. Yet some of you apparently think we are already being rewarded while we are still in the process of overcoming, even though that's not the same pattern Jesus followed.
     
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