Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

[dana b]

Since this thread is about Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt, is there any DNA that can link people back 1000's of years for the descenants of Sodom?

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I don't know. It seems like a part of our being is cultural, and another part is DNA. Christianity is both individual and cultural. So we have individual Christian all over the world, and we also have Christian cultures and Christian nations in Europe and it's collonies.

In their own way each of these is important and given mention in the Holy Bible. People who can't diferrenciat between them come out confused.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

Any other views on this topic?

I seen your footprints at my door. You common in anytime even when i'm not there an make yourself a cup of tea.
I'm not much of a visitor, but i'm friendly.

Why thank you.

 

[Interplanner]

The imagery is another indication that the material is first about the 1st century situation since it was written before the destruction. "It is called..." (present tense). It is to be compared with the less inflammatory Gal. 4 analogy which says the Jerusalem on earth is in bondage with her children, compared to that which is 'hovering' over the earth and by faith.

--Inter

 

[chosenbygrace]

He was crucified in the world for the world is the great city Babylon.

That makes no sense, outside of J. is Israel, not "the world". Jerusalem isn't a state or country. Rome owned "the world" that God is talking about, and is a city, though now it's a country, though it's so small still that it's arguable that it actually qualifies as a country. Anyways at that time Rome was in control of Israel, so in that way it is Rome being referred to as B, S and G. It fits because: God calls Rome a drunken Christian-mass murdering harlot, and I can go on and on with that, it's already been explained by Dave Hunt, long ago. His video can be seen at youtube.com/watch?v=LXtxy9uj2_8a. The world isn't "a city" that makes no sense. The Bible also says it will be split into three parts, but the world is already split up into multiple continents, so to say it will be split in three parts makes no sense, it isn't obvious that a literal city is being talked about. Rome is an obvious harlot: it's members abort at the same rate as atheists, despite their Popes' anti-abortion speeches, and being that that is true, it is quite obvious that they are at least as sinful as one, making them a true abomination as bad as Sodom. They are well known for their divisions, their homosexuals members and the straight ones who oppose them and of course the child molesting priests. The world in general is not known for child molesting and harlotry, even in the US prostitution is mostly forbidden, but in a small city like Rome, sexually corrupt, it no doubt is common, and is a problem that fills that city then. No other city fits, not even Amsterdam or Las Vegas: neither are known for mass murder against anyone or political might or influence or the mass murder of "saints", which refers to all Christians.

 

[Interplanner]

But the reference was to Jerusalem in the present tense. Is this another example of "literalism" where you just gap here and there to fit D'ism? The material has to do with the issues of Jerusalem in the generation following Jesus. That's another reason why background scholars think the material dates from the 7th decade.

Dave Hunt had no linguistic or literary background when he switched from accounting to "prophecy." He does not figure in the top 10 of today's NT backgrounds scholars. Not a solid reference point. In fact the scientific exactness of accounting was probably a handicap.

--Inter

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That makes no sense, outside of J. is Israel, not "the world". Jerusalem isn't a state or country. Rome owned "the world" that God is talking about, and is a city, though now it's a country, though it's so small still that it's arguable that it actually qualifies as a country. Anyways at that time Rome was in control of Israel, so in that way it is Rome being referred to as B, S and G. It fits because: God calls Rome a drunken Christian-mass murdering harlot, and I can go on and on with that, it's already been explained by Dave Hunt, long ago....... .

Oh no...not David Hunt


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[ebedmelech]

How can it not be Jerusalem? The passage clearly tells us "where our Lord was crucified".

A reading of Ezekiel 16 makes the case! God's is figuratively calling Jerusalem "Sodom"

Is Egypt not the land that Israel coveted whenever they were having a tough time in the wilderness. When Jerusalem was taken captive in Jeremiah were did the remnant run to despite God telling them to remain in the land...Egypt!

It is Jerusalem. To read more into it is to go against the passage:

8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Now we know it's not the heavenly Jerusalem because Revelation makes that distinction.

Now...what I will say is I think the 3.5 days speak to the 70th week of Daniel. I believe the first 3.5 days are the 3.5 years of our Lord's ministry in Israel and the second 3.5 years are the 3.5 years the apostles preached the gospel to Jerusalem which make 7 which is the 70th week.

I'm still studying this though. Not solid on it yet.

 

[Epoisses]

There are two great cities mentioned in Revelation. One is the new Jerusalem (Rev. 21:10) and the other is old Jerusalem or Babylon (Rev. 11:8).

Rome is not Babylon or the great city. She is too young to be the mother of harlots. Jerusalem was around long before Rome ever came on the scene. Rome may be one of the apostate daughters but not the mother.

Some might say that Nimrod and the tower of babel came before Jerusalem but that was just paganism. Legalism is the wine of Babylon and that started with Judaism.

 

[ebedmelech]

Yeah...I used to listen to that...until I found out Dave Hunt is wrong.

It is not the Roman Catholic Church.

 

[Interplanner]

To Epoisses,
there is some strength to what you say, until, as I recall, the harlot makes the nations drunk on her wine. Not that people might not get drunk on 'acceptance with God through performance,' but is such a theme really strong in Rev? Did Judaism have that degree of effect on neighboring nations at the time? On Roman government? Now, if it meant the Papacy or Islam later on, I could see more sense in it. Just hard to see at the time.

--Inter

 

[Epoisses]

To Epoisses,
there is some strength to what you say, until, as I recall, the harlot makes the nations drunk on her wine. Not that people might not get drunk on 'acceptance with God through performance,' but is such a theme really strong in Rev? Did Judaism have that degree of effect on neighboring nations at the time? On Roman government? Now, if it meant the Papacy or Islam later on, I could see more sense in it. Just hard to see at the time.

--Inter

All false religions are built around old covenant principles where man has to keep some set of laws to be saved. His works and effort are meritorious at earning heaven.

Islam is a carbon copy of the old covenant. Roman Catholicism has many parallels from their rejection of the gospel to their priesthood which mirrors the work of the levites. Atheism and Humanism are all about bringing out the good from within us which is just more performance based religion.

The world really is drinking the wine of Babylon. Only the pure gospel teaches that man can do nothing to save himself. His salvation is based of the perfect and complete work of Christ on the cross. This work can never be added to, only believed and received by faith.

 

[Steve Petersen]

My theory:

Jewish teachers over the ages have said that the real sin of Sodom was that they were very inhospitable, a major sin in Semitic cultures. The apostles were rejected by the leaders of Israel (who sat in the Sanhedrin on the Temple Mount) and experienced this inhospitality firsthand. Hence, Jerusalem/Sodom

Egypt was the place of Israel's bondage. In Galatians 4 Paul says Jerusalem (the seat of Jewish legal authority) was in bondage with her children. Here Jerusalem/Egypt.

 

[Notrash]

Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt


Any other views on this topic?


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A few points to add.

i like the thought of the op concerning the destruction of "sin"by the law of justification by faitf (rom 3:31)

Sodom was also ( like Jerusalem/judea deut. 32:22) swept away by a flood (of fire) this wss forecast for Jerusalem.

Egypt actually had laws similar to those deliveref on mt sinsi. and their armies where also swept away by a flood

if the mosaic covt was estabished ad a ( negative) shadow of the principlrs of the indwelling everlasting. covt.;(declared to be not like the covt. made ehen he took them by the hand and led them out.of Egypt in Jer 31) then the 40 yr formation process of the mosaic covt. entity (represented by Jerusalem) forecast and foretyped the 40 yr. rstablishment of the people of the everlasting covt.

This was foretold in Is 66 and the prophecy of the deliversnce of the manchild (40 yr old). The people of the everlasting covt escaped the bondage of Jerusalem /judea just as the people of the mosaic covt. escaped the physical bondage of Egypt .

Thus, Jerusalem was spiritually Egypt at that time. The christians were pursued by the judaisers just like the Egyptians pursued the Israelites with both the Egyptians and the judaisers being judged by a "flood".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A few points to add.

i like the thought of the op concerning the destruction of "sin"by the law of justification by faitf (rom 3:31)

Sodom was also ( like Jerusalem/judea deut. 32:22) swept away by a flood (of fire) this wss forecast for Jerusalem.

Egypt actually had laws similar to those deliveref on mt sinsi. and their armies where also swept away by a flood

if the mosaic covt was estabished ad a ( negative) shadow of the principlrs of the indwelling everlasting. covt.;(declared to be not like the covt. made ehen he took them by the hand and led them out.of Egypt in Jer 31) then the 40 yr formation process of the mosaic covt. entity (represented by Jerusalem) forecast and foretyped the 40 yr. rstablishment of the people of the everlasting covt.

This was foretold in Is 66 and the prophecy of the deliversnce of the manchild (40 yr old). The people of the everlasting covt escaped the bondage of Jerusalem /judea just as the people of the mosaic covt. escaped the physical bondage of Egypt .

Thus, Jerusalem was spiritually Egypt at that time. The christians were pursued by the judaisers just like the Egyptians pursued the Israelites with both the Egyptians and the judaisers being judged by a "flood".

I am in complete agreement with this post


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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus

Ok
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i bet you want to commment more, don't ya

forum rules and such....

Tis a possibility



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[Bible2]

LittleLambofJesus said in the signature of post 55:

National Israel is cursed forever!

Why do you seem to take pleasure in that idea? What do you personally have against Israel?

Also, the Israel that is cursed forever is not national Israel in itself, for all genetic Jews in the church remain national Israel (Rom. 11:1), & all genetic Gentiles in the church have been grafted into national Israel (Rom. 11:17,24, Eph. 2:12,19, Gal. 3:29). So the entire church is national Israel (Rev. 21:9,12, 1 Pet. 2:9-10). This is necessary, for all those in the church are saved only by the New Covenant (Mt. 26:28, 1 Cor. 11:25, 2 Cor. 3:6, Heb. 9:15), & the New Covenant is made only with national Israel (Jer. 31:31-34, Jn. 4:22b). Jn. 10:16 refers to the "other sheep" of believers who are Gentiles being brought into "this fold" of Israel, which is the same as the "one fold" of the church (1 Cor. 12:13, Eph. 4:4-6, Rev. 21:9,12). Also, all those in the church, no matter whether they're genetic Jews (Acts 22:3) or genetic Gentiles (Rom. 16:4b), have become spiritually-circumcised Jews if they've undergone the spiritual circumcision of water-immersion (burial) baptism into Jesus (Rom. 2:29, Philip. 3:3, Col. 2:11-13).

Also, Jesus' kingdom is Israel (Jn. 1:49, 12:13-15, 19:19, Lk. 22:30). That's why at his 2nd coming he'll sit on the earthly throne of David (Lk. 1:32-33, Isa. 9:7) & restore the kingdom to Israel (Acts 1:6-7, 3:20-21). Jesus is, in his humanity, the son of David (Mt. 1:1, 21:15-16, Rom. 1:3), of the house of David (Lk. 1:69). So at Jesus' 2nd coming, he'll restore the tabernacle, the house, of David (Isa. 16:5, Amos 9:11), to its royal glory (2 Sam. 5:12), which it had lost (2 Kin. 17:21a), & Jesus will fulfill the prophecy & prayer of 2 Sam. 7:16-29. And he will bring salvation to all the unbelieving elect Jews of the house of David, for they (along with all other unbelieving elect Jews) will come into faith in him when they see him at his 2nd coming (Zech. 12:10-14, 13:1,6, Rom. 11:26-31). And so they will all become part of the church at that time, for there are no believers outside of the church (Eph. 4:4-6).

After Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 19:7-20:3, Zech. 14:3-5) will occur the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, Zech. 14:8-21), during which, Gentile nations will come to seek the returned Jesus ruling the whole earth (Zech. 8:22, 14:9, Ps. 72:8-11) on the restored throne of David (Isa. 9:7) in the earthly Jerusalem (Isa. 2:1-4, Zech. 14:8-11,16-19). And the bodily resurrected church will reign on the earth with the returned Jesus during the millennium (Rev. 20:4-6, 5:10, 2:26-29), for the church is Israel (Rom. 11:1,17,24, Eph. 2:12,19, Gal. 3:29, Rev. 21:9,12, 1 Pet. 2:9-10).

LittleLambofJesus said in the signature of post 55:

National Israel is cursed forever!

The only Israel that is cursed forever is unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel (Matthew 21:19,43).

The rebudding of the fig tree (Matthew 24:32) can refer to the 1948 re-establishment of Israel, just as Jesus' cursing of the fig tree (Matthew 21:19) was symbolic of his curse on unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel (Matthew 21:43). The Israel that was re-established in 1948 is the same Old Covenant Israel that Jesus cursed at his first coming, for it still rejects Jesus and still considers itself to be under the Old Covenant. This Israel's merely "putting forth leaves" again (Matthew 24:32) in 1948 was nothing more than a restoration to what the fig tree in Matthew 21:19,43 had been before it was cursed forever by Jesus and then destroyed in 70 AD: a tree with leaves, but without any fruit.

Also, the unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel that was re-established in 1948 may never bear fruit, for it could be destroyed, before Jesus' second coming, during a future war, by a Baathist army, just as it had been destroyed back in 70 AD by a Roman army.

One way this future war could happen is that the U.S. could build up the Iraqi Army until it is huge enough and well-equipped enough to serve as a proxy army, for the U.S. and Israel, for an all-out ground invasion of Iran, in order to end Iran's nuclear weapons program and extremist regime. As part of the buildup of the Iraqi Army, the U.S. could reinstall some of the former Baathist military hierarchy to run the Iraqi Army more efficiently and ruthlessly. And if the current Shiite-dominated government of Iraq balks at any invasion of fellow-Shiite Iran, this could lead the CIA, the Mossad, and possibly also (Sunni Arab) Saudi Intelligence to bring about a Baathist coup d'etat in Iraq, for all three intelligence services would love for Iraq to attack their common mortal foe Iran, and the Baathists could agree to do this because they see non-Arab Iran as a great enemy of Arab autonomy.

To help get the Iraqi masses and the world behind the idea of an all-out Iraqi invasion of Iran, false-flag operations could be managed by the CIA and the Mossad by which it will be made to seem that (non-Arab, Persian) Iran is attacking the Iraqi Sunni Arabs and their little children terroristically with "dirty bombs" made from Iranian-enriched uranium, so that the Iraqi Arab masses will become enraged and begin to call for all-out retaliation against (what they could call) "the vile Persians", and the world could see an Iraqi invasion of Iran as being completely justified by self-defense.

But then, right when Iraq is all ready to invade Iran, the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel (led by a false Messiah) could destroy the Muslim Dome of the Rock and the Al Aqsa Mosque (the 3rd holiest sites in Islam) on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, to prepare the site for the building of a 3rd Jewish temple. This could so enrage Muslims worldwide, including the (Muslim) Iraqi Army, that the Iraqi Baathist Generals could see it as a perfect excuse to abandon the plan to invade huge Iran, and instead (pretending they're doing so "in the name of Islam") turn and send their vast army against the little territory of Israel, completely defeating it (Dan. 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath"). But this wouldn't be the ultimate reason for the Baathist attack, which could continue on south to also defeat Egypt (Dan. 11:15). For even though there's been some ostensible change in Egypt, the U.S.-supported Egyptian Army remains in ultimate control, so that the Baathists could see the Egyptian regime as still being a puppet of the U.S., just as they could see Israel as being a colony of the U.S. Baathism's ultimate aim is to unite all Arab lands from Oman to Morocco into one massive, powerful United Arab States free of all foreign hegemony.

The all-out Iraqi attack on Israel could be joined by the entire (Baathist) Syrian Army (with all of its missiles, many tipped with nerve agents), as well as by all of Iran's long-range missiles and all of Hezbollah's and Hamas' missiles and guerrillas. Israel could find itself suddenly attacked from three directions at the same time, with tens of thousands of missiles raining down on its cities and military bases, and tens of thousands of Iraqi tanks (meant to defeat and occupy huge Iran) pouring across its borders. As Israel starts to see its little sliver of land completely overrun, and sees that its total defeat is imminent and assured, in retaliation it could drop nuclear bombs on Baghdad, Damascus (Isa. 17:1), Tehran, and other major cities of Iraq, Syria, and Iran.

There could be so many nuclear explosions sending so much radioactive dust and ash so high into the atmosphere that it could be blown eastward and fall on hugely-populated South Asia, ruining so many crop fields and immune systems there with radiation that 1/4 of the world's population could end up dying from the war and its aftermath of famines and epidemics. This could fulfill the horrible war which will begin the future tribulation of Rev. chs. 6-18/Mt. 24, which war will, with its aftermath of famines and epidemics, end up killing 1/4 of the world (Rev. 6:4-8). The "great sword" of this war (Rev. 6:4) could be Israel's nuclear weapons. This war could be blamed not only on the "religious fundamentalism" of Islam and Judaism, but also on religious fundamentalism in general, and so could lead to a worldwide crusade against all forms of religious fundamentalism, including Christian fundamentalism, that is, the (correct) idea that the Bible is wholly true (2 Tim. 3:16, Mt. 4:4) and that all other religions are cursed (Gal. 1:8-9, Jn. 14:6, 3:36, Acts 4:12).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said in the signature of post 55:

"National Israel is cursed forever!"

The only Israel that is cursed forever is unbelieving, Old Covenant Israel (Matthew 21:19,43).

Why do you seem to take pleasure in that idea? What do you personally have against Israel?

This thread isn't about me, so just address the topic and quit yer whining..



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[LittleLambofJesus]

How can it not be Jerusalem? The passage clearly tells us "where our Lord was crucified".

A reading of Ezekiel 16 makes the case! God's is figuratively calling Jerusalem "Sodom"

Is Egypt not the land that Israel coveted whenever they were having a tough time in the wilderness. When Jerusalem was taken captive in Jeremiah were did the remnant run to despite God telling them to remain in the land...Egypt!

It is Jerusalem. To read more into it is to go against the passage:

8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.

Now we know it's not the heavenly Jerusalem because Revelation makes that distinction.

Now...what I will say is I think the 3.5 days speak to the 70th week of Daniel. I believe the first 3.5 days are the 3.5 years of our Lord's ministry in Israel and the second 3.5 years are the 3.5 years the apostles preached the gospel to Jerusalem which make 7 which is the 70th week.

I'm still studying this though. Not solid on it yet.

Good post.
I am also studying on this more and am coming to the same view as you.



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[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by deetwang

If you had any idea how deeply the Jews hate Jesus Christ, you would not use the term "Judeo" and "Christian". They teach in the Talmud that Jesus was a sorcerer, Mary was a prostitute and a hairdresser, and that Jesus is now in boiling excrement for eternity.

It is with deep hatred that they hate Christians, look it up if you don't believe me.
In Tel Aviv they have a nude gay beach, and a lot of hotels that's windows don't open, to keep in the female sex slaves they bring in daily to be used by men for money.

It is Sodom and Egypt! And you are right, America is not much better, but it is not a slave center either.
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And that is the capital of Israel isn't it?



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[7he4uthor]

I know ppl who say the great city [actually a nation/state/city]
is rome.

a place connected to sodomy
and [to some] of unrighteous rulers
like the pharaohs/Hyksos
who are said to be the jews


all these ppl who get old and die
but ramble on about being saved from death


st germain was known by royals to not age over 400 yrs he was known
THAT is the kind of eternal life GOD gives

something REAL not a philosophy