Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt

[dana b]

Yeah.....there outta be a law

There is the "law of Justice." It was showed to us by Moses. It teaches "an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth." It insists on instigating Justice with punishment for law breakers.

But Jesus Christ the Messiah came and added "mercy and compassion" to the Law of Justice. This is what Christianity is all about. We now follow the law from within our hearts and minds as Jer.31;31 and Heb.8;10 forecast we would. It was Jesus who taught us how to view our lives in this way. But the false prophet will somehow find ways of tricking even the most faithful Christians into lending their support to the ones who today bomb from the sky and fulfill the prophesy of Rev.13;13

So there is a law that says be kind and forgiving. But it is not written in stone alongside with Moses's laws. It is written in our hearts and is called our "conscience." This word is only found in the New Testament where it is used 31 times the same as the number of verses used to describe God's creation of this world. Mankind being the last of creation us the only creature who can experience conscience or "the law from within."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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Ok

 

[zeke37]

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you know, in the ancient times,
when Israel left Egypt, some Egyptians went with them....
other times, gentlies are introduced into Israel,
and as long as they follow the rules, they are considered Israel.


there is plently in the bible about the "grafting in" of the wild olive branch (gentiles)

same rules apply.

so your theory is not presented biblically.
in fact, it's pretty much opposite.

i suggest you read up on RUTH 1:4.
you do know that Ruth was not Israelie right?
she was a Moabite.

and you do know her role right?
she was the great grandma of King David.

iow, through her gentile loins, came forth the line of King David, that we all know would lead to the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

so there.

 

[zeke37]

Ok

i bet you want to commment more, don't ya

forum rules and such....

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

i bet you want to commment more, don't ya

forum rules and such....

Nah....I am just at a lost for words right now

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt


Any other views on this topic?


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[Bible2]

fayec said in post #13:

The "great city" in that verse is a reference to modern-day AMERICA; or BABYLON THE GREAT.

While the corrupt aspects of the U.S. (as well as of other countries) are included in what the symbolic harlot "Babylon" (Rev. chs. 17-18) represents, she represents much more than just the corrupt aspects of the U.S. For the U.S. just by itself doesn't reign over the kings of the earth (Rev. 17:18). Nor is the U.S. the only place on the earth where people buy merchandise (Rev. 18:11). Nor is the U.S. the place where all martyrs have been killed (Rev. 18:24). Nor has the U.S. just by itself corrupted the entire world (Rev. 18:3). Nor has the U.S. been continuously supported by the empires of fallen man throughout history (Rev. 17:7,9-10).

Nonetheless, the corrupt world-system represented by Rev.'s "Babylon" may currently be headquartered in Washington, D.C. (WDC) & New York City (NYC), insofar as WDC may currently be "the crowning city" (cf. Isa. 23:8) of mankind's corrupt politics, the 1st leg of "Babylon" (Rev. 17:18), & NYC may currently be "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics, the 2nd leg of "Babylon" (Rev. 18:11). "The crowning city" of mankind's corrupt religions, the 3rd leg of "Babylon" (Rev. 18:24), may currently be Jerusalem, as it was back in the 1st century AD (Mt. 23:35-38). Ultimately, all 3 legs of "Babylon" could become headquartered in the literal rebuilt city of Babylon (in Iraq), which the Antichrist (the AC) could make the capital of the world during his future, literal 3.5-year worldwide reign (Rev. 13:5-18). He could build a central temple to himself (& Lucifer/Satan) there, for a temple to wickedness will be built in Shinar (Babylonia) (Zech. 5:8,11), & the AC is called "that Wicked" (2 Thes. 2:8).

Tyre was "the crowning city" of mankind's corrupt economics at 1 point in ancient times (Isa. 23:8). God allowed the destruction of ancient Tyre as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth" (Isa. 23:9). In the same way, would God allow the future destruction of WDC & NYC by terrorist nuclear bombs, as a lesson, an example, "to stain the pride of all glory, and to bring into contempt all the honourable of the earth"?

Also, the Bible teaches that, without repentance, what's sown is reaped (Gal. 6:7), & 2 nuclear bombs were sown by the U.S. against 2 major cities in Japan (Hiroshima & Nagasaki) in order to terrorize Japan into surrender during World War II. So could the U.S. at some point in the future reap 2 terrorist nuclear bombs against 2 of its own major cities? Could the U.S. avoid this fate by publicly repenting before God & asking him & Japan for forgiveness for the U.S. intentionally targeting & murdering 150,000 innocent civilian men, women, & children living in Hiroshima & Nagasaki? Could the 9/11 terrorists being allowed by God to intentionally target & murder 3,000 innocent civilian men, women, & children in NYC's Twin Towers & elsewhere in the U.S. have been just a warning to the U.S., a mere shot across its bow, to try to get the U.S. to repent for what it did to the 2 cities of Hiroshima & Nagasaki? But could the U.S. continue to refuse to repent for its nuclear terrorism against Japan, leaving the way open for nuclear terrorism against the U.S.?

Also, a certain "restrainer" must be taken out of the way before the AC can come into worldwide power (2 Thes. 2:6-9, Rev. 13:4-18). This restrainer could be a powerful angel like the 1 who'll restrain Satan at Jesus' 2nd coming (Rev. 20:1-3). The powerful angel restraining the AC could be Michael the archangel, the angelic prince over Israel (Dan. 12:1, 10:21,13). Michael could also currently be the angelic prince over the U.S., making sure it supports Israel. Part of Michael's being taken out of the way, just enough so as to allow the AC to come into worldwide power, could be God removing Michael's protection of the U.S., just enough to allow both WDC & NYC to be nuked by terrorists. This could weaken the U.S. not only by the destruction of its political & financial capitals, but also by the subsequent run on the U.S. dollar which could occur, rendering the U.S. dollar close to worthless in world markets. The U.S. government could then finally go bankrupt, unable to finance any longer its huge debt, economy, & military. Its days as a superpower will be over, opening the way for the AC to come into worldwide power (Rev. 13:4-18).

 

[Bible2]

fayec said in post #13:

That interracial marriage which is called "abomination of desolation" and "mystery of iniquity" . . .

Re: interracial marriage, there's nothing wrong with it, & watch out about speaking against it, for God completely accepted Moses marrying an Ethiopian woman, while Miriam was turned leprous white for looking down on Moses for doing that (Num. 12).

Re: the "abomination of desolation" (the AOD), Dan. 11:31 was typically fulfilled by the AOD in 1 Maccabees 1:54, which occurred in the holy place of the 2nd Jewish temple in Jerusalem in the time of Antiochus IV. But per Mt. 24:15, the church will see the AOD in Dan. 11:31 fulfilled (antitypically) in the future, when the church will see the AOD "stand" "in" the holy place (of a 3rd Jewish temple in Jerusalem). This future AOD could be a standing, android image of the Antichrist (the AC) (Rev. 13:15) which his followers ("they") will put in the holy place of the temple (Dan. 11:31) to be worshipped (Rev. 13:15), after "they" have stopped the daily Mosaic animal sacrifices which the ultra-Orthodox Jews in Israel will have restarted in front of the temple (Dan. 11:31). This image will "pollute" the holy place of the temple (Dan. 11:31). The AC will then fulfill Dan. 11:36/2 Thes. 2:4 by sitting himself in the temple & proclaiming himself God. By the power of Satan (the dragon), the AC (the individual-man aspect of the beast) will then rule & be worshipped by all the nations of the earth for 3.5 literal years (Rev. 13:4-8), & will physically overcome Biblical Christians in every nation (Rev. 13:7-10, 14:12-13, 20:4, Mt. 24:9-13).

Also, from the day on which (antitypically) "the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the 1,335 days" (Dan. 12:11-12, Rev. 16:15). Also, because the AC will fulfill Dan. 11:31 antitypically & will fulfill Dan. 11:36 for the 1st (& only) time, then he'll also fulfill all of Dan. 11:21-45 (the 1st part of it antitypically, & the rest for the 1st & only time) when he arises on the world stage, for that passage refers to the career of the same man. And since the AC will fulfill all of Dan. 11:21-45 when he arises on the world stage, then just preceding his arising on the world stage, Dan. 11:13-19 could be antitypically fulfilled by an Iraqi Baathist General defeating & occupying Israel & Egypt with a huge Iraqi Army (Dan. 11:15-17; in verse 17, the original Hebrew word translated as "daughter" is "bath").

. . . and "mystery of iniquity" . . .

2 Thes. 2:7a means the restrainer wasn't (just as he still isn't) restraining the spiritual aspect of the antichrist deception, for the spiritual aspect was already at work in the 1st century AD (2 Thes. 2:7a, 1 Jn. 4:3, 2 Jn. 1:7). Instead, the restrainer was (just as he still is) restraining only the AC himself ("that man of sin") from coming physically & sitting in a 3rd Jewish temple & proclaiming himself God (2 Thes. 2:3b-4, Dan. 11:36,31), & being given physical power over the whole earth for 3.5 literal years (Rev. 13:4-18, Dan. 7:25, 12:7).

The AC will have a False Prophet who'll work amazing miracles by which people will be deceived (Rev. 13:12-14, 19:20, cf. Mt. 24:24). And God will send strong delusion upon unrepentant people so they'll believe "the" lie (2 Thes. 2:11-12, in the original Greek there's a "the" before "lie"), which could be the antichrist lie that's been around since the 1st century AD (2 Jn. 1:7, 1 Jn. 4:3, 2 Thes. 2:7a), and which in the future will deceive the world into the worship of both Lucifer (Satan) the dragon & the AC (the individual-man aspect of the beast) (Rev. 13:4-18), the man of sin (2 Thes. 2:3-9), as God (2 Thes. 2:4, Dan. 11:36). The antichrist lie denies Jesus of Nazareth himself is the Christ &/or the human/divine Son of God (1 Jn. 2:22), &/or denies Christ himself is in the flesh (2 Jn. 1:7), which denial is 1 of the key doctrines of Gnosticism.

 

[DennisTate]

In Rev 11:8 Jerusalem is called Sodom because it is where, when Jesus died and arose from the dead He completely wiped out sin as He did in Sodom when He completely destroyed it by fire and brimstone. Analysis of the ashen remains of Sodom, which was rediscovered by Wyatt Archeological Research, has shown that this comparison is accurate since they could not reignite the ashen remains that they recovered from the site of Gomorrah.
Jerusalem is mystically called Egypt because when Jesus died and arose from the dead in Jerusalem He released us from the captivity of death as He by His power alone released Israel, which symbolizes Christians, from captivity in Egypt.
Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Bro. James D Albright

Wow!

I have never heard this theory before.....I like it!

 

[BobRyan]

In Rev 11:8 Jerusalem is called Sodom because it is where, when Jesus died and arose from the dead

In Rev 11 John describes events future to his day - and gives us identifiers showing that France (the french revolution where atheism was enthroned as king - with the goddess of reason) - was declared to be Soddom (for the moral depravity associated with it) and Egypt (where the government declared "who is God that I should listen to him").

As a Christian nation prior to that time - they did what Hebrews 10 warns us of "Crucify Christ afresh").

The 1260 years of Revelation 11 are the dark ages.

The French revolution takes place at the end of the dark ages.

The "Two witnesses" of Rev 11 are the Old and New Testament as was stated in the OT "The Word of God" the two lamp stands.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by JamesDAlbright In Rev 11:8 Jerusalem is called Sodom because it is where, when Jesus died and arose from the dead He completely wiped out sin as He did in Sodom when He completely destroyed it by fire and brimstone. Analysis of the ashen remains of Sodom, which was rediscovered by Wyatt Archeological Research, has shown that this comparison is accurate since they could not reignite the ashen remains that they recovered from the site of Gomorrah.
Jerusalem is mystically called Egypt because when Jesus died and arose from the dead in Jerusalem He released us from the captivity of death as He by His power alone released Israel, which symbolizes Christians, from captivity in Egypt.
Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
Bro. James D Albright

Wow!

I have never heard this theory before.....I like it!

So do a lot of Preterists

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[Bible2]

BobRyan said in post #33:

The "Two witnesses" of Rev 11 are the Old and New Testament as was stated in the OT "The Word of God" the two lamp stands.

Rather, Rev. 11:4's "two candlesticks" (or 2 lamp stands) refer to the same 2 men who are Rev. 11:4's "two olive trees", i.e. the 2 men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah in OT times (Zech. 4:11,14). So Rev. 11:3-12's two witnesses could be Moses & Elijah, the 2 men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Rev. 11:4) at the transfiguration (Mt. 17:3). They could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies in the future, mid-trib, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues the 2 witnesses will cause (Rev. 11:6,5) will match plagues Moses & Elijah caused in the OT (Jas. 5:17, Ex. 7:20, 2 Kin. 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kin. 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from the devil (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken it into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, e.g., Lazarus' body was resuscitated back to mortal life (Jn. 12:1). This would explain how both Moses & Elijah could appear alive & well at the transfiguration (Mt. 17:3).

The 2 witnesses will bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Rev. 11:2b-3,6) of the AC's worldwide reign (Rev. 13:5,7, 12:6,14). That's why the AC's reign will legally end (Rev. 11:15) right after the time of the 2 witnesses on the earth will end (Rev. 11:12-15). The plagues they'll bring (Rev. 11:6) will be part of the trib's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Rev. 11:14, 9:12-13). They'll be taken up into heaven before the trib's 7th trumpet sounds (Rev. 11:12,15).

They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8), for the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Rev. 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people & bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason there'll be 2 witnesses (Rev. 11:3) who'll bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Rev. 11:6,10b) would be because 2 witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Tim. 5:19). At the same time, the 2 "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Rev. 11:7-9), for the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Rev. 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Rev. 17:6).

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rather, Rev. 11:4's "two candlesticks" (or 2 lamp stands) refer to the same 2 men who are Rev. 11:4's "two olive trees", i.e. the 2 men who were already standing by the Lord by the time of the prophet Zechariah in OT times (Zech. 4:11,14). So Rev. 11:3-12's two witnesses could be Moses & Elijah, the 2 men seen "standing before the God of the earth" (Rev. 11:4) at the transfiguration (Mt. 17:3). They could come down from heaven in their mortal bodies in the future, mid-trib, just as they came down at the transfiguration. Also, the plagues the 2 witnesses will cause (Rev. 11:6,5) will match plagues Moses & Elijah caused in the OT (Jas. 5:17, Ex. 7:20, 2 Kin. 1:10-14). Elijah never died, but was taken bodily into heaven (2 Kin. 2:11b). And Michael retrieved Moses' dead body from the devil (Jude 1:9). Michael could have then taken it into heaven, where it could have been resuscitated back to mortal life, like, e.g., Lazarus' body was resuscitated back to mortal life (Jn. 12:1). This would explain how both Moses & Elijah could appear alive & well at the transfiguration (Mt. 17:3).

The 2 witnesses will bring plagues on the world during the future, literal 3.5 years (Rev. 11:2b-3,6) of the AC's worldwide reign (Rev. 13:5,7, 12:6,14). That's why the AC's reign will legally end (Rev. 11:15) right after the time of the 2 witnesses on the earth will end (Rev. 11:12-15). The plagues they'll bring (Rev. 11:6) will be part of the trib's 2nd woe/6th trumpet (Rev. 11:14, 9:12-13). They'll be taken up into heaven before the trib's 7th trumpet sounds (Rev. 11:12,15).

They may not be witnesses in the sense of evangelizing the world (Acts 1:8), for the original Greek word (martus, G3144) translated as "witnesses" (Rev. 11:3) can also refer to those who witness against people & bring punishment against them (Acts 7:58). The reason there'll be 2 witnesses (Rev. 11:3) who'll bring plagues to torment the unrepentant world (Rev. 11:6,10b) would be because 2 witnesses are required to bring judgment against people (1 Tim. 5:19). At the same time, the 2 "witnesses" could be called that because both of them will be martyred (Rev. 11:7-9), for the same Greek word translated as "witnesses" (Rev. 11:3) can refer to "martyrs" (Rev. 17:6).

Interesting. Thanks for that.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In Rev 11 John describes events future to his day - and gives us identifiers showing that France (the french revolution where atheism was enthroned as king - with the goddess of reason) - was declared to be Soddom (for the moral depravity associated with it) and Egypt (where the government declared "who is God that I should listen to him").

As a Christian nation prior to that time - they did what Hebrews 10 warns us of "Crucify Christ afresh").

The 1260 years of Revelation 11 are the dark ages.

The French revolution takes place at the end of the dark ages.

The "Two witnesses" of Rev 11 are the Old and New Testament as was stated in the OT "The Word of God" the two lamp stands.

in Christ,

Bob

Not sure I agree with that "historicts" view of Revelation.
I am still inclinded to view the great City in Revelation Jerusalem in ad 70.
But, I could be wrong

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[Interplanner]

The reference to Sodom and Egypt, along with Gal 4, is one of the strong reasons for regarding Rev as a treatment of its current time--the 7th decade of 1st century Judea.

--Inter

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The reference to Sodom and Egypt, along with Gal 4, is one of the strong reasons for regarding Rev as a treatment of its current time--the 7th decade of 1st century Judea.

--Inter

Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate?


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[dana b]

you know, in the ancient times,
when Israel left Egypt, some Egyptians went with them....
other times, gentlies are introduced into Israel,
and as long as they follow the rules, they are considered Israel.


there is plently in the bible about the "grafting in" of the wild olive branch (gentiles)

same rules apply.

so your theory is not presented biblically.
in fact, it's pretty much opposite.

i suggest you read up on RUTH 1:4.
you do know that Ruth was not Israelie right?
she was a Moabite.

and you do know her role right?
she was the great grandma of King David.

iow, through her gentile loins, came forth the line of King David, that we all know would lead to the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

so there.

Yeah, it's not only about DNA. It's like you say above, it's about culture. It's about religious culure being grafted onto a whole race called Europeans. And they established Christian Nations built upon the laws of the Christian Bible. And now with their invention of the modern world they fulfull the prophesy.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it." Rev.21;24

Even John the Baptist said it's not about DNA. He said "God can raise sons of Abraham from stones."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yeah, it's not only about DNA. It's like you say above, it's about culture. It's about religious culure being grafted onto a whole race called Europeans. And they established Christian Nations built upon the laws of the Christian Bible. And now with their invention of the modern world they fulfull the prophesy.

"And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it." Rev.21;24

Even John the Baptist said it's not about DNA. He said "God can raise sons of Abraham from stones."

Since this thread is about Jerusalem, Sodom and Egypt, is there any DNA that can link people back 1000's of years for the descenants of Sodom?

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[dana b]

Why Jerusalem is Mystically Called Sodom and Egypt


Any other views on this topic?


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I seen your footprints at my door. You common in anytime even when i'm not there an make yourself a cup of tea. I'm not much of a visitor, but i'm friendly.

My view of what it means when they say Sodom and Egypt is thus. These two places were occupied before the crossing of the Jordan into the Old Testament Covanant. These two places mean and represent the old way of living called survival of the fittest. It is where there is no law of Justice yet and everone makes deals to benifit himself. Even Jacob made a deal with God for his own advantage.

But after they crossed Jordan the Israelit began to live following the law of Justise.

The ones who kill the two witnesses/two churches are the human beings who follow the Serpent. The serpent in the Bible means "survival of the fittest." It is the original law of nature which the serpent led Adam and Eve out into. Thats why the Jordan Crossing is such a milestone in Biblical history.

 

[dana b]