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Why Jehovah? Why not Allah or Krishna?

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Grace and peace to you,

Wow...these might seem like simple questions but the answers could take many posts to fully explain them properly.

Islam simply doesn't pass the test. you can find out why, here..

http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-10-reasons-islam-not-from-god.htm

You can find our about Krishna here..

http://www.macgregorministries.org/cult_groups/krishna.html

To answer which God is the right one, you'll prob'ly have to answer that one for yourself.

There have been tons of debates on here as to why Christianity is right verses why some do not believe. It all comes down to personal faith.

If you seek evidence to support the Bible and Christianity, the difinitive sourse is a book called "Evidence that Demands a Verdict." It lists an accurate history of our Bible as well as archeological eivdnece that has been discovered to support its claims.

The truth is, as I've said before, if you, or anyone, have a pulling in your heart toward Christ as the True Savior, it's because God has placed it there.

If anyone responds to that pulling, openly, sincerely, and without doubt, not merely waiting to see if God will prove it to be true or not, but sincerely seeking HIM, you'll find Him. You'll then know.

Jesus said that the kingdom of God "cometh not with observation." In other words, it's not a tangeble building, a physical form, a place....etc. "The Kingdom of God is within." It's all about Him coming to live inside your heart. Knowing Him, knowing His love, knowing His power. It's far more than a set of rules or teachings...

Tim L.
 
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The Bible claims that God demands that there be not other gods before Him - the first of the ten commandments:

Exodus 20:1 Then God instructed the people as follows:
2 "I am the LORD your God, who rescued you from slavery in Egypt.
3 "Do not worship any other gods besides me.
4 "Do not make idols of any kind, whether in the shape of birds or animals or fish.
5 You must never worship or bow down to them, for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God who will not share your affection with any other god! I do not leave unpunished the sins of those who hate me, but I punish the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generations.
6 But I lavish my love on those who love me and obey my commands, even for a thousand generations.
7 "Do not misuse the name of the LORD your God. The LORD will not let you go unpunished if you misuse his name.

Egypt, for the true follower of Jesus, is symbolic of sin. We are enslaved by sin and death until we have escape through the Savior, the "Lamb", God has provided.
 
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hi littlelion,

i don't know that much about Krishna, apart from followers i have talked to on the street/observed. In regard to Krishna (from a christian viewpoint), where is the objective historical evidence/appearance? and secondly, do you think that God would accept repetivive chanting from his creation towards himself? I don't think so. Just the fact that you are asking a reasonable question/expressing yourself in your own words, to me implies that our creator would prefer the same from us if we are able to talk to him. As to Islam, what gets me is how their writings deny Christ's crucifiction and resurrection (noting that the islam writings appeared a few hundred years after the fact/establishment/people of christianity first in Israel and then beyond. As to why Jehovah? because he revealed himself to us. God became a man (objective/history), was born in Israel, lived amongst the Jews for thirty years, was killed by the Roman's on a cross (for sin), rose from the dead after three days etc. etc. There are just far too many apologetic approaches regarding the New Testament documents alone.
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only son.
I know that's not much, but i have to get back to work.
 
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Religion destroys men, it is Christ that gives life. Don't worry about denomination or religion, just seek Christ. Who is Jesus Christ though? A question asked by seekers of truth for century upon century. A man who lived a life of love and generosity and humility, and yet whose name has been used in acts of hate and condemnation. The answer to this question, however, is as simple and yet as beautiful as the rising sun. The answer is that Jesus is love.

Many people in the world try to restrict Jesus to a church building, or a denomination or even a religion, but how can they do this when the song of love he is singing to the world can be heard in the very sound of the wind? Jesus can no more easily be boxed by religions and systems of man than the morning breeze can be trapped in a jar. As Jesus says of those who are born in His Spirit: “The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes or where it goes. So is it with all those who are born of the Spirit (John 3:8).”

The image of the crucifixion of Jesus is invariably etched into the mind of those of us in western culture, so much in fact, that it has become a mere image, and not a reminder of the greatest act of love; the willing death of the one perfect man, so that that the many imperfect can live. As Jesus says, “I have come to give life and to give it abundantly (John 10:10).” Sadly, many in the world have taken the life-giving breath that Christ offers us and twisted it into religious systems that fall hopelessly short of capturing the life-changing power of His message to us. Christ is not found in judgment, because by His death and resurrection He has made it possible for all men and women to be right with God.

No one can earn the life that Christ offers, it is a gift given freely because of love. Love will endure forever, as will all who live in the love of Jesus. Christ’s love is peace, and never failing, always hoping acceptance. This perfect love is the missing piece of truth that gives life and brings true fulfillment. Jesus’ love is summed up in His command to those who live in His love. He says, “My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you (John 15:12).” When Christ’s love is found, you cannot help but become a servant to it. But service to love, to God, is not a slavery to Him! He gives us the love and authority of the Almighty, and what more freedom can there be than that to love everyone as God does? Truly seek and you shall truly find Jesus, who is love and peace everlasting.
 
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I give up. If God is such that he reveals Himself, then I ask Him to do so. Be He whatever He might be.
If He wants to just sit up there and mind His own business, alright, but that is not my thing then.

I find it completely unreasonable that I should try out or investigate myself each of the I don't know how many thousand religions to find the right one. Such a task is sheer lunacy and a waste of time and energy.
It would also be wrong to just pick one and then stick to it ("for the sake of it"), and waiting is also wrong.
God should show me the right religion. In His omniscience and omnipotence, this shouldn't be a problem.
 
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God is trying to show you. He is trying to tell you the truth. He promises that if you seek then you will find, because He is already speaking to you. You have freewill and you, LIKE EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, have turned their back to Him. All you have to do, is turn back around to find Him. How that looks in your life, I don't know, because it looks different in everyone's life, but if you are seeking the truth, and not just religion, I promise you will find God because He promises that. I'll pray for you.
 
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LittleLion said:
I give up. If God is such that he reveals Himself, then I ask Him to do so.

He has already done so by sending Jesus to the Earth, His one and only begotten Son to save us.

John 15:24

If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles...



God Bless!
 
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John 4:16 Jesus states "I am the way to the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Me" Jesus is part of God, His son, and was given as a gift by the Almighty to his people of earth so they may be with Him in Heaven. We are his creation, and wouldn't only a loving God give his people a second chance.
 
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88Devin07 said:
God has many names, but Allah and Krishna are neither one of them.

^_^ Sorry, but this is pretty funny. Allah is literally just the Arabic word for God. If you read the Christian Bible translated into Arabic language, Allah is in there all over the place.
 
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The God of Islam is different in character from the God of the Bible. He is far less personal, less merciful, and less trustoworthy. He does not promise salvation to his believers as our God does. Those who believe are absolutely saved - you don't have to jihad, and you're not waiting in suspense. Our God has promised us salvation if we believe. And He was willing to come down to earth and get His hands dirty to obtain that salvation from us.

"Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends." - John 15:13

"Very rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us." - Romans 5:7,8

"Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God" - John 1:12

""For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." - John 3:16

"I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one." - John 10:28-30

"Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us, set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come." - 2 Corinthians 1:21-22

Islam can't give you that, and I'm glad my God is good enough to give us all that.
 
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Well if you look at the Jewish God he is more like the God of Islam then Christianity. And no I don't believe Jews and Christians worship the same God

Christian God Jesus part of three Gods in One came as a man

Jewish God Yahwah one God not three in one did not come as man and never will.

This is just my view:thumbsup:
 
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MasterFollower said:
Well if you look at the Jewish God he is more like the God of Islam then Christianity. And no I don't believe Jews and Christians worship the same God

Christian God Jesus part of three Gods in One came as a man

Jewish God Yahwah one God not three in one did not come as man and never will.
Actually, the Old Testament hints at the Trinity:

"Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are all who take refuge in him."
- Psalm 2:12

And here:

"Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me."
-Psalm 51:11

"Yet they rebelled and grieved his Holy Spirit. So he turned and became their enemy and he himself fought against them. Then his people recalled the days of old, the days of Moses and his people— where is he who brought them through the sea, with the shepherd of his flock? Where is he who set his Holy Spirit among them, who sent his glorious arm of power to be at Moses' right hand, who divided the waters before them, to gain for himself everlasting renown, who led them through the depths?"
- Isaiah 63:10
 
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Milla said:
^_^ Sorry, but this is pretty funny. Allah is literally just the Arabic word for God. If you read the Christian Bible translated into Arabic language, Allah is in there all over the place.

Actually, this isn't as true as it's meant to sound. Allah is a false god...not the God of the bible.

Tim L.
 
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MasterFollower said:
Christian God Jesus part of three Gods in One came as a man

Jewish God Yahwah one God not three in one did not come as man and never will.

This is just my view:thumbsup:

Actually, in the Hebrew text, the word for God in the Creation account of Genesis and many many other times in the OT is a plural term. (Eloim I think is the spelling). Let US create man in OUR image...

Tim L.
 
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zak777,


Religion destroys men, it is Christ that gives life. Don't worry about denomination or religion, just seek Christ.

As soon as you say "Christ", you say "Christian religion".
You assume Christianity is right -- while others religions aren't.


Who is Jesus Christ though? A question asked by seekers of truth for century upon century. A man who lived a life of love and generosity and humility, and yet whose name has been used in acts of hate and condemnation. The answer to this question, however, is as simple and yet as beautiful as the rising sun. The answer is that Jesus is love.

Many people in the world try to restrict Jesus to a church building, or a denomination or even a religion, but how can they do this when the song of love he is singing to the world can be heard in the very sound of the wind? Jesus can no more easily be boxed by religions and systems of man than the morning breeze can be trapped in a jar. As Jesus says of those who are born in His Spirit: “The wind blows where it wills, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not know from where it comes or where it goes. So is it with all those who are born of the Spirit (John 3:8).”

Well, not everyone who says "love" and means 'Jesus'.
Why Jesus? Why not Mohammed, or someone else?


God is trying to show you. He is trying to tell you the truth. He promises that if you seek then you will find, because He is already speaking to you. You have freewill and you, LIKE EVERYONE ON THE PLANET, have turned their back to Him.

Now. Please.

If you assume that I have WILFULLY, AGAINST MY BETTER KNOWLEDGE turned my back on God -- then you couldn't be more wrong.
Are you assuming I once knew God, but then "out of selfishness" turned my back on Him?!

Having free will merely means having the ability to choose. Having free will says nothing about the options one can choose from.

If you are in a rowing boat in the middle of a great lake, with your mother, father and sister, and the boat has a leak and sinks, and you are the only one who can swim, you can save only one person. You can have all the free will in the world, but it won't change the fact that you have to choose to either save your mother, or your father, or your sister. Your options are given by the situation, and you can do nothing about those options. You can only opt for one of them.


All you have to do, is turn back around to find Him. How that looks in your life, I don't know, because it looks different in everyone's life, but if you are seeking the truth, and not just religion, I promise you will find God because He promises that. I'll pray for you.

Thank you.


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John812,


He has already done so by sending Jesus to the Earth, His one and only begotten Son to save us.

Look. I want God to tell ME that, alright?

Instead, you are suggesting that I should, like a total imbecile, bang my head against the wall until I get myself into believing that faith is my doing.


John 15:24

If I had not done among them what no one else did, they would not be guilty of sin. But now they have seen these miracles...

I have seen no miracles regarding Christ. You are asking me to believe what has to me the status of hearsay. You are asking me to be superstitious.


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Maxster211,


John 4:16 Jesus states "I am the way to the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Me" Jesus is part of God, His son, and was given as a gift by the Almighty to his people of earth so they may be with Him in Heaven. We are his creation, and wouldn't only a loving God give his people a second chance.

If one believes so. But one doesn't believe by one's own doing.


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twistedsketch,


The God of Islam is different in character from the God of the Bible. He is far less personal, less merciful, and less trustoworthy. He does not promise salvation to his believers as our God does. Those who believe are absolutely saved - you don't have to jihad, and you're not waiting in suspense. Our God has promised us salvation if we believe. And He was willing to come down to earth and get His hands dirty to obtain that salvation from us.

Whose doing is it that one believes?

Whose doing is it that YOU believe? Yours or God's?


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Islam can't give you that, and I'm glad my God is good enough to give us all that.

What grounds do you have to assume that we need or want all those things that you have listed?

What non-biblical grounds do you have to assume that we need, want or deserve those things that you have listed?


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ChristianDude777,


Sorry, but this is pretty funny. Allah is literally just the Arabic word for God. If you read the Christian Bible translated into Arabic language, Allah is in there all over the place.

Actually, this isn't as true as it's meant to sound. Allah is a false god...not the God of the bible.

Please, this is circular. "The Bible says that the Bible is true because the Bible says that the Bible is true."

"Allah is false because Allah is not the God of the Bible".

Your logic works because you accept the Bible to be true by default. Why do you accept the Bible to be true? Because it speaks of God? And where have you learned about God? In the Bible, or Bible-related sources?
 
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LittleLion said:
Your logic works because you accept the Bible to be true by default. Why do you accept the Bible to be true? Because it speaks of God? And where have you learned about God? In the Bible, or Bible-related sources?

Hi Lion,

I think we've dicussed this before but it might have been with someone else.

I did learn, in part, about God through His Word, yes.

But there's more to it. The life experiences I've had during the past 16+ years.

You see, I was not a Christian all my life. And when I needed God and called out to Him in faith, He changed everything about me. He changed my heart...which is something I couldn't do despite trying for 2 or 3 years.

He's answered so many prayers in ways that can never be coincidence.

He's put a knowledge of Him inside me that was never there before.

...behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

It's about an inner spiritual experience. You'll never find the outside proof that so many people seek. It's just not about outward proof.

All you have to do to know that what I'm telling you is True is to go to Him yourself.

Tim L.
 
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