Why is there a secular music part to a Christian site?

[EliasEmmanuel]

How can someone who is not a christian produce something that is christian? I don't believe he/she can. I do, however, believe that a christian can relate something in a secular song to their christian walk. There are certain lyrics that I can relate to my christian walk in Black Sabbath songs!

This is exactly what we're talking about.

Despite this, I don't think this eliminates the labels of secular and christian in music. I don't believe that one is better than another, but a difference exists. I'm not saying it is a complete dichotomy, as certain bands ride the fence, but a separation is still legitimate.

But again (as I said in an earlier post), how is "secular" and "Christian" defined? Whether they're on a Christian record label, whether everyone in the band is Christian.... are they still a Christian band if their drummer isn't? What if not everyone in the band is a Christian, but the guy who writes all their lyrics is? You see what I'm driving at?

 

[brettnolan]

See, NOW you're talking about the intent.

So when Marilyn Manson comes out with his gospel CD full of all your favorite hymns, does that mean that the CD isn't Christian? It surely doesn't make him a Christian, but is the CD not still Christian simply because his intent was only to make money?

 

[Tangnefedd]

Wasn't it the founder of the Salvation Army who said something to the effect that the non religious had all the best tunes? Quite honestly a lot of Christian music is awful, I am talking about the more popular stuff, not some of the tried and tested hymns and oratorios. We have some beautiful secular music out there by the great composers which does much more to please the ear than some of the Christian stuff.

 

[Caedmon]

How is there no such thing as secular? Secular is non-christian.

Then what is a secular priest?

 

[Marissa]

Then what is a secular priest?

Someone in the wrong job.

 

[call-me-dan]

actually a secular priest is a priest that works with the common people, the phrase was coined in the middle ages i think.

i oinly know this because we just went over it in Church History, otyherwise i really would not have remembered.

†
dan

 

[Grover143]

How is there no such thing as secular? Secular is non-christian.

Secular is a word that was coined in Greek philosophy that stated that there are things relating to the "spiritual" realm and things that aren't. "Secular" being the things that aren't. My point is that this is a flawed way of looking at existance as a whole. It doesn't matter what anyone is talking about, whether it be music, fictional books, the current events page of the daily paper, or sweeping the floor of your kitchen. God maintains all creation. Nothing that happens, NOTHING, is outside or detatched from the spiritual realm. That being said, there are things in this world that are obviously contrary to the will and purposes of God. God allows these things to exist for His own purpose. I will not attempt to address this. What I'm saying is that music is art, and art, along with our ability to create it, came from God. There is music that is subtly or directly against the life that God has called us to live. If this kind of music causes you to stumble, then by ALL MEANS steer clear of it. I know I'm repeating myself from my original post, I hope I'm not boring you, I'm just saying that there is nothing in the world that is separate from God. If you look at music this way, you an take truth in any artist's music and leave the falsehood by the wayside. If you listen to it for the music alone, because you like the guitar player or whatever, fine. Open you eyes and think for yourselves. We must all work out our OWN salvation.

 

[Liza]

By the way, from a scriptural viewpoint, I think Bono should recant/repent publickly for cursing on national telivision. If he were a true Christian, something like,

"I have sinned against my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. I'm terrible sorry that I portayed a pathetic Christian testimony on national telivision. . .etc"

I think that you should worry about yourself, and not what Bono should do if he's a "true Christian". It is not man's place to judge... it is God's.

 

[blackwasp]

I'm just saying that there is nothing in the world that is separate from God. .

sin?

We must all work out our OWN salvation.

What is with this verse??? This is all I see on CF! Is this a Catholic dogma?

 

[Grover143]

Sin does not exist apart from God in as much as God created us with the capacity to sin. I'll repeat myself again, NOTHING exists apart from God. Not in theory, not in the tangible physical realm, not in the intangible philosophical realm, nothing.



Philippians 2
Shining as Stars

12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,

No, this is NOT Catholic "dogma". This is not Protestant "dogma". This is Christian "dogma".

 

[absolutely_lost_86]

howdy

 

[prince didymus]

Interesting comments so far...

 

[Caedmon]

actually a secular priest is a priest that works with the common people, the phrase was coined in the middle ages i think.

i oinly know this because we just went over it in Church History, otyherwise i really would not have remembered.

†
dan

Hehehehehehe... Good job, dan...

/me gives dan 100 blessings

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

sin?

I think you're missing the point. Perhaps, to be more specific than I think should be necessary, there is no created thing in heaven or on earth that is not under God's dominion and part of His creation.

And really.... what is sin but misusing or perverting what God has made?

What is with this verse??? This is all I see on CF! Is this a Catholic dogma?

Um..... nnno.

It's Phillipians 2:12.

 

[Caedmon]

What is with this verse???

I don't know... people like it? *shrug*

This is all I see on CF!

Have you ever visited the PRE Forum?

Is this a Catholic dogma?

What if it is?

(Actually, I'd say that it's closer to deposit than dogma, considering that it is a direct Scripture reference.)

 

[xxxlovexofxlifexjcxxx]

you know im not sure god cares too much if we listen to secular music as long as we dont begin to make bad desicions because of.. it i think he would rather have sombody listen to secular music and belive then sombody listen to christian music and not belive.... a really good secular bad call atreyu does this song i think you all should read the words and take it in as feed back from a secular world.... and what they think about christians do to the way some of them act towards others and how fast some are to judge...


At Least I Know I'm A Sinner

Lift up a stone and you will find him,
cherish the beauty in the world around us
Not in buildings or crosses made by man
Judge me, **** you, stop playing god,
Your forked tongue prophecies,
carelessly caressing the wounds of the weak
People like you should be crucified,
then maybe just maybe you would have an idea
Of what you are talking about.
My only solace is that one day,
judgment will come for the wicked, then we will see who burns
Raise your heads, unclasp your hands,
your weakness makes me tremble
True strength comes from within
And we were given this life to live,
not exist under standards, set by some ******** rule book
What prayers of yours, were ever answered, by degrading others
Spare me your biblical back peddling nonsense
For the people that you've hurt, and the being your dishonor,
Your fall from grace, will finally justify my means
Judge me and now you are me and what's worse
You are now a traitor to your god
Tell me Judas, how does it feel to be looked down upon
Sinners like you, should be stung up from the highest tree
you judged me and now you are me, stop playing god

 

[the_sam_man87]

hey i just read the whole thing and when i got on i was like y is this here and i did not want to say anything cause i did not want to get you all man but now that someone did i will put in my thoughts....if you know anything about music you should know that christian musicians have more talent and POD is a chtistian band

 

[nadroj1985]

....if you know anything about music you should know that christian musicians have more talent

Come on, that's quite an arrogant statement. I'd like to think I know quite a lot about music, and I don't think the Christian bands I've listened to have more talent than secular ones. So far, my opinion is that they have less. I definitely think there are secular bands that have more talent than POD .

 

[xtxArchxAngelxtx]

why is a news and current events thread?

**yawns**

 

[Caedmon]

if you know anything about music you should know that christian musicians have more talent and POD is a chtistian band

Rage Against The Machine kicks POD's tail any day of the week, IMO.