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Why is there a secular music part to a Christian site?

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nadroj1985

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PreacherFergy said:
Common sense? It's common sense to listen to unChristian music which usually is openly against the things of Christ?

I'm sure everyone here also like's Garth Brooks, you know, the "Christian" who sings, "I got friends in low places, where the whiskey flows and the beer chases my blues away. . .":scratch:

I'll just let this go, then, PF. If you took the trouble to look over this thread, you would see that your claims above have been disproven many times over. I'm tired of banging my head against the wall.
 
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PreacherFergy said:
Common sense? It's common sense to listen to unChristian music which usually is openly against the things of Christ?

I'm sure everyone here also like's Garth Brooks, you know, the "Christian" who sings, "I got friends in low places, where the whiskey flows and the beer chases my blues away. . .":scratch:

OK, I'll bite too. :)

You say that unChristian music is usually openly against the things of Christ. That implies that you think some unChristian music is not openly against the things of Christ. Do you think that music is OK? I can think of many non-Christians who play music that is not unChristian at all.
 
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renaistre said:
OK, I'll bite too. :)

You say that unChristian music is usually openly against the things of Christ. That implies that you think some unChristian music is not openly against the things of Christ. Do you think that music is OK? I can think of many non-Christians who play music that is not unChristian at all.

I would suggest not trying to argue with him. The bruise on my head really hurts :scratch:
 
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PreacherFergy said:
Actually, sleeping is something God intended for us to do. I guess you don't read Psalms

It sad to see people throwing out the Bible in favor of their own reasoning


God made music too, or is that somehow different.

Yes I could say that same thing about you, but I'm sure your going to call me a horrible person for doing so.
 
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PreacherFergy said:
Common sense? It's common sense to listen to unChristian music which usually is openly against the things of Christ?
See, there's a presumption there though.... that all music that is not openly labeled "Christian" is "against the things of God". You're painting with a broad brush. Again, you've never answered my question about what you consider "secular". Is a band "secular" because they're not on a Christian label, or only if the entire band is made up of nonChristians? Are they "Secular" if they're all Christians except, say, the drummer? And like someone said, what about instrumental music? You've never completely clarified you point.... like above, you said secular music "usually" is against the things of God.... is it okay, in your view, if a given band or song isn't against Godly principles? Thus far you've hardly answered any counterarguments.....

And concerning "praising God in all things".... I work at a restaurant (a chain called Panera Bread, eat there, they have good food :) ). Do I "praise God" in my work by trying to approach customers with the attitude of Christ and do my work well, knowing that it's ultimately God I work for and not my Manager..... or, do I have to sing worship songs all day and hand out tracts with people's receipts to be praising God in my work? Or, should I quit there and start working at a Christian bookstore because making sandwiches doesn't glorify the Lord?

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? I really think you're applying a totally diferent standard to this than to anything else (as to where said standard comes from, see my post early in the thread).

Apparently, during the reformation a young cobbler came to faith in Christ at a service led by Martin Luthor.... Well, he came up to Luthor all excited afterwards, asking what he should do now. Should he sell his business and become a monk, something like that? Luthor told him to make good shoes and sell them at a fair price, because, he said, good Christians make good shoes, not mediocre shoes with little crosses on them. There is infinitely more to "praising God in all things" than sticking a big "JESUS" stamp on it, else we would be obliged by God to sing hymns while we ate dinner and bake our bread with little ichthus fish on it.

I'm sure everyone here also like's Garth Brooks,
There's another presumption. I don't care for country and think 90% of pop is utter poo.
 
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EliasEmmanuel said:
See, there's a presumption there though.... that all music that is not openly labeled "Christian" is "against the things of God". You're painting with a broad brush. Again, you've never answered my question about what you consider "secular". Is a band "secular" because they're not on a Christian label, or only if the entire band is made up of nonChristians? Are they "Secular" if they're all Christians except, say, the drummer? And like someone said, what about instrumental music? You've never completely clarified you point.... like above, you said secular music "usually" is against the things of God.... is it okay, in your view, if a given band or song isn't against Godly principles? Thus far you've hardly answered any counterarguments.....

And concerning "praising God in all things".... I work at a restaurant (a chain called Panera Bread, eat there, they have good food :) ). Do I "praise God" in my work by trying to approach customers with the attitude of Christ and do my work well, knowing that it's ultimately God I work for and not my Manager..... or, do I have to sing worship songs all day and hand out tracts with people's receipts to be praising God in my work? Or, should I quit there and start working at a Christian bookstore because making sandwiches doesn't glorify the Lord?

Do you see what I'm trying to say here? I really think you're applying a totally diferent standard to this than to anything else (as to where said standard comes from, see my post early in the thread).

Apparently, during the reformation a young cobbler came to faith in Christ at a service led by Martin Luthor.... Well, he came up to Luthor all excited afterwards, asking what he should do now. Should he sell his business and become a monk, something like that? Luthor told him to make good shoes and sell them at a fair price, because, he said, good Christians make good shoes, not mediocre shoes with little crosses on them. There is infinitely more to "praising God in all things" than sticking a big "JESUS" stamp on it, else we would be obliged by God to sing hymns while we ate dinner and bake our bread with little ichthus fish on it.

Is your head hurting yet? ;)

There's another presumption. I don't care for country and think 90% of pop is utter poo.

What's the difference between utter poo and just plain old regular poo?
 
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Gods_Girl said:
I agree with PreacherFergy. You people need to listen to him, he is trying to help you! ;)
No.... I'm sure he thinks he is, but ultimately what it comes down to is imposing an unscriptural boundary and acting like it's from the mouth of God, and boundary-marker Cultural Christianity vs. living, biblical, spirit-led faith. And a lot of generalizations.
 
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renaistre said:
OK, I'll bite too. :)

You say that unChristian music is usually openly against the things of Christ. That implies that you think some unChristian music is not openly against the things of Christ. Do you think that music is OK? I can think of many non-Christians who play music that is not unChristian at all.
No, I'm not saying I condone the other part of secular music. Even if they don't stand against the things of Christ publically (in a verbal sense), they're lifestyle still denies Him.
 
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the_sam_man87 said:
the bible says that in every thing you do, praise the lord. That means that when you are listening to music it should be praising the lord and secular music dose not praise god
The music may not, but that doesn't stop you from praising God does it? If it does, then you are right in not listening to secular music. If I can however, then do not impose your own (man made) rules on me.

shalom,
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theFijian said:
The music may not, but that doesn't stop you from praising God does it? If it does, then you are right in not listening to secular music. If I can however, then do not impose your own (man made) rules on me.

shalom,
Andy
As Job said, nothing clean can come from something unclean (Job 14:4)

There is no use in listening to secular music. It stirs THE FLESH and doesn't edify the spirit.

On a side note,
you may want to not quote a certain "King" in your sig. who was communist, and taught a social gospel:idea:
 
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Sorry for the late reply:

EliasEmanuel said:
Okay, I'm not familiar with Marduk or Anaal Nathrakh, or particularly into Black Metal, but 2 spring to mind: Mortification and Extol.

Or if you like a classical influence (ie: Nightwish) I heartily recommend Savior machine and Virgin Black.

Mortification are death/thrash.
Extol are death metal.
Saviour Machine are sort of doom/power.
Virgin Black are doom metal.

I win. ;)
 
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PreacherFergy said:
As Job said, nothing clean can come from something unclean (Job 14:4)

Yep. And using logic, we find out.. that it must not be unclean! :clap:

PreacherFergy said:
There is no use in listening to secular music. It stirs THE FLESH and doesn't edify the spirit.

Pssh.

Secular music edifies my spirit far more then some insincere manufactured praise band.

Don't believe me? Go listen to Behemoth's "Thou Shalt Forever Win" or "The Past Is Like A Funeral".. just lovely. Or the song on my song link, even. Click it, it doesn't bite.

And I still want to know what you think of secular Classical music..
 
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