Why is the day of worship controversial?

[LoveGodsWord]

Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. The law (famous 10) can't inform a dead man of anything.

Of course it can. God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of SIN *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. If we are CONTINUING in SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) we are walking deadman because they wages of sin is death *ROMANS 6:23 to all those who reject the gift of God's dear son. This is the OLD MAN of the BODY of SIN that needs to DIE in ROMANS 6:6 before we can be ALIVE in CHRIST through the power of his resurrection *ROMANS 6:1-16

EPHESIANS 2:1-5
[1], And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins,
[2], wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience;
[3], among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:--
[4], but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
[5], even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved)

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I just don't get your idea the law has a purpose for a dead man..

As shown earlier through the scriptures. God's LAW has the same purpose it always has. This pupose does not change. God's LAW (10 commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. God's LAW shows us if we are in harmony with God or not in harmony with God. It is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS.

The dead man still knows nothing even if the law communicated with him.

You are confused the scripture is not talking of a literal dead man it is talking about being dead to SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) and ALIVE in CHRIST.

ROMANS 6:6
[6], KNOWING THIS THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM THAT THE BODY OF SIN [break God's LAW] MIGHT BE DESTROYED THAT WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN [break God's LAW].

ROMANS 6:11-12
[10], For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God.
[11], LIKEWISE RECKON YOU ALSO TO BE DEAD INDEED TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], BUT ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH OUT LORD JESUS CHRIST.
[12], LET NO SIN [breaking God's LAW] REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY , that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.

It's obvious you didn't read the links I provided. You expect others to read yours. By the Scripture it's obvious you don't intend or want others to read your links - Lk 6:31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise. You will most like disregard the above passage saying it's my words or interpretation. OK well.

Well that is not true. I have read your posts and respond to them section by section and scripture by scripture.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why respond to more Scripture when you say I don't against the evidence. Your denial and badgering is pretty old. It's so old and stale it no longer has its desired affect.

How does what you have written above respond to the scriptures in the post you are quoting from? Can you see what I mean that you are not adderssing the post and the scriptures in the posts that show your error brother? You response here is to these scriptures quoted as to the meaning of the what it means by being dead to sin which is the OLD MAN or sinful human nature and being ALIVE in Christ and dead to sin spoken of in ROMANS 6:1-16.

ROMANS 6:10-16
[10], For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God.
[11], LIKEWISE RECKON YOU ALSO TO BE DEAD INDEED TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], BUT ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH OUT LORD JESUS CHRIST.
[12], LET NO SIN [breaking God's LAW] REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY , that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13], Neither yield you your members as instruments of UNRIGHTEOUSNESS UNTO SIN [breaking God's LAW]: BUT YEILD YOURSELF TO GOD AS THOSE THAT ARE ALIVE FROM THE DEAD, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.
[14], For SIN [breaking God's LAW] SHALL NOT HAVE DOMINION OVER YOU: for you are not under the law, but under grace.
[15], What then? SHALL WE SIN [breaking God's LAW], because we are not under the law, but under grace? GOD FORBID.
[16], Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; whether of SIN [breaking God's LAW] UNTO DEATH, or of obedience to righteousness?

You quote my posts and do not respond to the content and the scriptures in them.

My point exactly - a dead man doesn't sin. So there's no need for the law as Paul points out in - Gal 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Glad we can agree. To be "UNDER THE LAW" does not mean that God's LAW is ABOLISHED it means that we are not longer standing guilty before God of BREAKING it

ROMANS 3:19 NOW WE KNOW THAT WHAT THINGS SOEVER THE LAW SAYS IT SPEAKS TO THEM THAT ARE UNDER THE LAW; THAT EVERY MOUTH MAY BE STOPPED AND ALL THE WORLD MAY BECOME GUILTY BEFORE GOD.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I've no idea why you seem top think and promote the husband and wife are the same individual. The subject of discussion is the demise of the law in verse 2. There's nothing about the old man (carnal nature) dying in verse 2.

ROMANS 7:1-4 is a metaphore using marriage as a continuation of ROMANS 6 and is not literal. It is a continuation from what is being taught in ROMANS 6 about dying to the OLD MAN of SIN and being ALIVE in Christ not to continue in sin (breaking God's LAW). There is no demise in God's LAW v12 says the LAW is HOLY JUST and GOOD; v7 says God's LAW gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is. The dimise is the law of SIN and death that works in our members (Sinful human nature).

Correct. We can't serve carnal commandments and the Spirit or Christ at the same time.

You are confused. God's LAW (10 commandments) are not carnal we are.
ROMANS 7:14 FOR WE KNOW THAT THE LAW IS SPIRITUAL; BUT I AM CARNAL, SOLD UNDER SIN.

Yes Paul calls the famous 10 carnal commandments.

You are confused PAUL calls God's LAW (10 Commandments) SPIRITUAL, HOLY, JUST and GOOD and that they give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 7:12; ROMANS 7:14; ROMANS 7:7. The law of carnal commandments are those of the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD *EXODUS 24:7. Read the what HEBREWS chapters 7 to 10 are discussing it is the earthly sanctuary, Levitical priesthood, sin offerings that all point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. Your error here is that you mix up the SHADOW laws in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that point to JESUS and GOD'S plan of salvation in the NEW with God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? If you want to talk HEBREWS with me happy to do so.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Yes, just as the wife no longer has a relationship with the dead husband (law/famous 10). A wife doesn't marry herself.

You are confused. The dead husband represents the OLD MAN is the BODY of SIN that we should not serve it. You really need to re-read ROMANS 6 it is not what your trying to teach whatsoever. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

ROMANS 6:6
[6], KNOWING THIS THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM THAT THE BODY OF SIN [break God's LAW] MIGHT BE DESTROYED THAT WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN [break God's LAW].

ROMANS 6:10-12
[10], For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God.
[11], LIKEWISE RECKON YOU ALSO TO BE DEAD INDEED TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], BUT ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH OUT LORD JESUS CHRIST.
[12], LET NO SIN [breaking God's LAW] REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY , that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.

There's no G 4561 to be found in the text of Rom 7:2-4. So you interject things that aren't there. That makes your argument error.

How does what you have written above respond to what you are quoting from and where have I said G4561 is written in ROMANS 7:2-4? When referencing G4561 it is in reference to the OLD MAN or sinful human nature; the FLESH or CARNAL mind. What you have posted has nothing to do with what you are quoting from and that no one is saying (strawman). How about responding to what is posted.

NOTE: The law here is a reference to the bond of marriage continuing the topic of death and life in Christ. That is the OLD MAN of sin [Flesh G4561 sinful human nature] that is crucified is to die that we might serve in newness of life. 7v4 being dead to the law by the Body of Christ is the same as… 6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The laws being discussed here are the law of the flesh [sinful human nature] and the law of the Spirit [walking by faith in God’s Word]. When one dies you are free to marry another.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What caused the motions of the flesh in verse 5 above? And what did it do?

God's LAW (10 Commandments) gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. God's LAW is ETERNAL so there will always be a penalty for SIN (breaking is) to those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Without the law there's no penalty. Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

The trouble for you here brother is that God has given us his LAW and it is the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172

ROMANS 2:12-13
[12], For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13], For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Please note the bolded in your quote. Let's take the negative out of verse 4 to see how the righteousness of the law is fulfilled in us. THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK AFTER THE SPIRIT. Now you're going to say I altered the meaning of Scripture. Oh well. The verse clearly says righteousness is only achieved by walking in the Spirit. The negative of the verse says - "WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH." The flesh here represents the obedience to the carnal commandments of law keeping by the body. The problem is the body isn't subject to the law (famous 10).

Let's look at the scriptures here.

ROMANS 8:1-4
[1], THERE IS THEREFORE NOW NO CONDEMNATION TO THEM WHICH ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[2], FOR THE LAW OF THE SPIRIT OF LIFE IN CHRIST JESUS HAS MADE ME FREE FROM THE LAW OF SIN [breaking God's Law] AND DEATH [Sins penalty - Romans 6:23].
[3], For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[4], THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT.

If we are in the FLESH (SINFUL human nature G4561) v13 says we will DIE because the waged of SIN is death to all those who reject the GIFT of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23

This is also made very clear in v13.

ROMANS 8:13 FOR IF YOU LIVE AFTER THE FLESH [SINFUL Human nature G4561 breaking God's LAW] YOU SHALL DUE: BUT IF YOU THROUGH THE SPIRIT DO MORTIFY [G2289 PUT TO DEATH] THE DEEDS OF THE BODY YOU SHALL LIVE.

Paul says the same in GALATIONS 5:16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.

What is the result of WALKING in God's SPIRIT?

Walking in God's Spirit by being dead to sin and ALIVE in CHRIST through believing and FOLLOWING God's WORD we will not fulfill the lusts of the FLESH [SINFUL Human nature G4561 breaking God's LAW] *GALATIANS 5:16.

THAT THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE LAW MIGHT BE FULFILLED IN US, WHO WALK NOT AFTER THE FLESH BUT AFTER THE SPIRIT. *ROMANS 8:4.

Sorry brother you are confused. As shown through the scriptures, God's WORD disagrees with you. Can you see your error here?

Only sent in love as a help.

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Gal 5:16 doesn't say anything about those walking in the Spirit observing the law. Verse 18 says those walking (led by) in the Spirit, aren't incurring any obligation to the law.

How does this post respond to what you are quoting from which was;

No one is walking in God's Spirit if they are breaking any one of God's 10 Commandments *GALATIANS 5:16 because they do not KNOW GOD *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN *JOHN 3:3-7. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness. Walking in God's Spirit means to be abiding in CHRIST. Those who ABIDE in CHRIST do not commit sin (break any one of God's 10 commandments) *1 JOHN 3:6-9

Why are you making arguments no one is talking about in order not to respond to what has been posted? GALATIANS 5:16 says v16, This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the FLESH [SINFUL Human nature G4561 break God's LAW]. V18 IF you are led by God's Spirit you will not be breaking God's LAW *1 JOHN 3:9. Those who do so do not KNOW God because they are not walking in God's Spirit but walking in the FLRESH *1 JOHN 2:3-4.

The wife in those verses is between the two men (the husband representing the law) and Jesus (God) not man to whom the wife marries after the husband dies. The law is dead and past as the Gospels of Luke and John indicate.

This is where you are confused. The two husbands represent 1. the law of sin and death (OLD MAN/the FLESH/ Carnal mind/Sinful nature) and 2. the law of the Spirit of Christ representing marriage to another. This is shown very clearly through ROMANS 6:1-23 and the ROMANS 7:1-5 metaphore of marriage and dying to the OLD MAN of sin in order to marry another (Christ).

It would be good if you can address the posts you are quoting from and the scriptures in them that disagree with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LK 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. This verse indicates every man does something else different from the law.No, do you?

You are confused here brother as you interpret this scripture as God's LAW is done away. Let's look at the scriptures of LUKE 16:16 again in CONTEXT and compare it to the PARALLEL Gospel of MATTHEW 5:17-32. Let's start by adding the CONTEXT back in that you leave out. Then we will look at the same scriptures spoken of in MATTHEW 5.

LUKE 16:16-18
[16], THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN: SINCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS PREACHES EVERY MAN PRESSES INTO IT.
[17], And IT IS EASIER FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH TO PASS THEN FOR ONE JOT OR TITTLE of the law to FAIL

NOTE: v16 is in reference to the LAW AND THE PROPHETS. This is a direct reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that all pointed to JESUS as the coming of the MESSIAH. This was shown in the earlthy SANCTURY services SIN OFFERINGS and Levitical Priesthood. This is outlined in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures for example in DAINEL 9:24-27; ISAIAH 7:14; ISAIAH 9:6; MICAH 5:2; ZECHARIAH 9:9; PSALM 22:16-18; ISAIAH 53; PSALM 41:9. The MOSAIC Shadow laws are outmined here in HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9 and HEBREWS 10. We will prove this further as we look at the scripture context

For example of JESUS it was written in ISAIAH 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE. The very next verse in LUKE 16:18 says...

[18], Whoever puts away his wife, and marries another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her that is put away from her husband commits adultery.

If your view is correct and there was no more God's LAW (10 Commandments) why is JESUS teaching about ADULTERY?

Let's look now to the PARALLEL Gospel of MATTHEW to contnue looking at the prophecy of ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE.

MATTHEW 5:17-22
[17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL.
[18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED
[19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[20], FOR I SAY UNTO YOU THAT UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, YOU SHALL NOT KILL; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That WHOESEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT CAUSE WILL BE IN FANGER OF THE JUDGEMENT: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

and in..

MATTHEW 5:31-32
[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

When JESUS is talking about LAW AND THE PROPHETS was until JOHN is that the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law and prophets all pointed to JESUS. These are not GOD's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. This is proven in the next verses LUKE 16:17-18 and the PARALLEL Gospels of MATTHEW 5:17-32 and all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures (Need more scripture? click me)

Can you see your error of interpretation here brother? You left out the context of the scripture you quote.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No the subject is husband and wife. It matter not who each actually is for a marriage relationship to be active. The stark reality is you require the wife (Christian in this case) to be active with a dead husband (the law) (necrophilia). The husband (the law) is dead having nothing to do with a living Christian. Chapters 6 and 7 talk about different ways of being severed from the law.

You are confused. The dead husband represents the OLD MAN which is the BODY of SIN that we should not serve it. You really need to re-read ROMANS 6 it is not what your trying to teach whatsoever. God's WORD does not teach lawlessness.

ROMANS 6:6
[6], KNOWING THIS THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM THAT THE BODY OF SIN [break God's LAW] MIGHT BE DESTROYED THAT WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN [break God's LAW].

ROMANS 6:10-12
[10], For in that he died, he died to sin once: but in that he lives, he lives to God.
[11], LIKEWISE RECKON YOU ALSO TO BE DEAD INDEED TO SIN [breaking God's LAW], BUT ALIVE TO GOD THROUGH OUT LORD JESUS CHRIST.
[12], LET NO SIN [breaking God's LAW] REIGN IN YOUR MORTAL BODY , that you should obey it in the lusts thereof.

ROMANS 7:1-5
[1], Know you not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives?

NOTE: Same thoughts explained in Romans 6 but Romans 7 using the example of marriage
6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life. 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin. 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[2], For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband dies, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

NOTE: What does the husband represent that dies? 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin

[3], So then if, while her husband lives, she is married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband dies, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she is married to another man.

NOTE: We cannot serve the OLD MAN OF SIN and serve the Spirit.

LUKE 16:13 [13], No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

[4], Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

NOTE: The law here is a reference to the bond of marriage continuing the topic of death and life in Christ. That is the OLD MAN of sin [Flesh G4561 sinful human nature] that is crucified is to die that we might serve in newness of life. 7v4 being dead to the law by the Body of Christ is the same as… 6v2 We are to be dead to sin and not to live any longer in it. 6v3-4 We are buried with Jesus in death to walk in newness of life 6v6 The old man is crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed so we no longer serve sin 6v7 For he that is dead is freed from sin. The laws being discussed here are the law of the flesh [sinful human nature] and the law of the Spirit [walking by faith in God’s Word]. When one dies you are free to marry another.

[5], For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

NOTE: The flesh [G4561 sinful human nature] is the OLD MAN that must be crucified with Christ in order for us to be married to another [The Spirit] 6v5

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You're free to show anything I said is out of context (changes the intended meaning) instead of making blanket unsupported claims.

All the posts and the scriptures in them already provided to you show that you take God's WORD out of context. Name a topic and I will be happy to re-post the scriptures showing what you have taken out of context again.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I've no idea why you reference Eph 2:8 when you require works of the law. Just doesn't make sense.Why don't you tell the truth here about those linked posts? Any one can easily see I quoted them and responded to them in detail, but you. So far your only response has been to re-post them.On the contrary about Rom 7. The relationship deals with marriage as a single party, not a collective whole.

hmm this post does not address anything in the posts your quoting from. This is another good example of you quoting my posts without addressing anything written you are quoting from. I re-post content that you have not addressed like your doing here.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Gal 3:22-27 This passage indicates the school master 9the law is unemployed.You continue with unrepentant sin being a problem without identifying it. So what is your actual accusation?

Really. Where does it say that?

ROMANS 3:22-27
[22], But the scripture has concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
[23], But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up to the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
[24], Why the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
[25], But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[26], For you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[27], For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Nope there is no mention of God's LAW (10 Commandments) being unemployed. To be "UNDER THE LAW" means to be guilty before God of BREAKING it (SIN) *ROMANS 3:19. If we have been FORGIVEN in CHRIST and have REPENTED from our SINS and are not continuing to SIN we are not longer "UNDER THE LAW" and condemned by it *ROMANS 8:1-4. This is the purpose of God's LAW to show us that we are all sinners in need of a SAVIOUR to save us from our sins *JOHN 8:31-36. Not to CONTINUE in SIN (breaking God's LAW). If we CONTINUE in SIN we will die because we reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13 neither do we KNOW GOD *1 JOHN 2:3-4 and need to be BORN AGAIN *1 JOHN 3:6-9.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

You know a man and his family were stoned to death for picking up sticks on the sabbath.

Indeed. Under the CIVIL laws of ISRAEL under the OLD COVENANT anyone who was caught OPENLY breaking nearly ANY ONE of God's 10 commandments were put to death. *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50. We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God *EPHESIANS 2:8. We are all sick with sin and need a Physician *MATTHEW 9:12-13. JESUS says arise take up your bed and walk. I believe him. How about you?

God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that gives us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says if we break ANY ONE of God's commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

God's people are in every church *JOHN 10:16 and He knows that many break this commandment out of IGNORANCE because what they have been taught in the Churches they may be in. JESUS says that the hour is coming and NOW is that he will call his people out from following the teachings and tradtions of men to worship God in Spirit and in truth according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9) There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God? In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

Can you see your error here brother?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

No. You have the dead man (husband representing the law) marrying another (Jesus). The context is the wife does the marrying. The context is the wife is free from the law (dead husband). Since you promote a relationship with the law, you also promote a relationship with the dead husband. This is sin and against the law you claim has been dismissed because it's not a part of the famous 10. Like the dead husband the law no longer has control.

Your confused brother. I do not have a dead man or promote the OLD MAN as representing the law. ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7 has the dead man representing the OLD MAN OF SIN that is to die so that we should no longer serve it by becoming ALIVE in Christ *ROMANS 6:1-16; ROMANS 7:1-5.

What exactly is this unrepentant sin you talk about that will keep an individual out of heaven?

Anything you KNOW to be SIN and CONTINUE practicing it *JAMES 4:17; JAMES 2:10-11; HEBREWS 10:26-27 because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13.

Thanks for posting this passage backing up my idea. If you read the text it clearly says the law kills.Yes it is. Read the text you quote.

Actually nope it doesn't it is the law of SIN and DEATH which is the MAN of SIN or sinful human nature.

[12], Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[13], Was then that which is good made death to me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[14], For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
[15], For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16], If then I do that which I would not, I consent to the law that it is good.
[17], Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[18], For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19], For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20], Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[21], I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22], For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23], But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24], O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

Not really going your way at all now is it. Can you see your error here brother?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

A good example of what you're doing is LK 16:16-17 intending the reader to understand the law is still current when verse 16 says no. The verse 16 clearly says people are doing something different from the law.

Ok let's use LUKE 16:16 as an example of you taking the scriptures out of CONTEXT?

Let's look at the scriptures of LUKE 16:16 again in CONTEXT and compare it to the PARALLEL Gospel of MATTHEW 5:17-32. Let's start by adding the CONTEXT back in that you leave out. Then we will look at the same scriptures spoken of in MATTHEW 5.

LUKE 16:16-18
[16], THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS WERE UNTIL JOHN: SINCE THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS PREACHES EVERY MAN PRESSES INTO IT.
[17], And IT IS EASIER FOR HEAVEN AND EARTH TO PASS THEN FOR ONE JOT OR TITTLE of the law to FAIL

NOTE: v16 is in reference to the LAW AND THE PROPHETS. This is a direct reference to the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that all pointed to JESUS as the coming of the MESSIAH. This was shown in the earlthy SANCTURY services SIN OFFERINGS and Levitical Priesthood. This is outlined in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures for example in DAINEL 9:24-27; ISAIAH 7:14; ISAIAH 9:6; MICAH 5:2; ZECHARIAH 9:9; PSALM 22:16-18; ISAIAH 53; PSALM 41:9. The MOSAIC Shadow laws are outmined here in HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9 and HEBREWS 10. We will prove this further as we look at the scripture context

For example of JESUS it was written in ISAIAH 42:21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE. The very next verse in LUKE 16:18 says...

[18], Whoever puts away his wife, and marries another, commits adultery: and whoever marries her that is put away from her husband commits adultery.

If your view is correct and there was no more God's LAW (10 Commandments) why is JESUS teaching about ADULTERY?

Let's look now to the PARALLEL Gospel of MATTHEW to contnue looking at the prophecy of ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE.

MATTHEW 5:17-22
[17], THIINK NOT THAT I AM COME TO DESTROY THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS I HAVE NOT COME TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFIL.
[18], For truly I say to you, TILL HEAVEN AND EARTH PASS ONE JOT OR TITTLE SHALL IN NO WISE PASS FROM THE LAW TILL ALL BE FULFILLED
[19], WHOSEVER SHALL BREAK ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE COMMANDMENTS AND SHALL TEACH MEN SO, SHALL BE CALLED LEAST IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[20], FOR I SAY UNTO YOU THAT UNLESS YOUR RIGHTEOUSNESS SHALL EXCEED THE RIGHTOUESNESS OF THE SCRIBES AND PHARISEES YOU SHALL IN NO WISE ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
[21], You have heard that it was said of them of old time, YOU SHALL NOT KILL; and whoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
[22], But I say to you, That WHOESEVER IS ANGRY WITH HIS BROTHER WITHOUT CAUSE WILL BE IN FANGER OF THE JUDGEMENT: and whoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whoever shall say, You fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

MATTHEW 5:27-28
[27], YOU HAVE HEARD THAT IT WAS SAID BY THEM OF OLD TIME, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY: [28], BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEVER LOOKS ON A WOMAN TO LUST AFTER HER HAS ALREADY COMMITTED ADULTERY WITH HER IN HIS HEART.

and in..

MATTHEW 5:31-32

[31], It has been said, Whoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorce:
[32], But I say unto you, That whoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causes her to commit adultery: and whoever shall marry her that is divorced commits adultery.

Once again can you see your error here brother? If there was no more of God's LAW (10 Commandments then why is JESUS teaching them? Not only is JESUS teaching them he is magnifying them according to the Prophecy of him in ISAIAH 42:21. HE WILL MAGNIFY THE LAW AND MAKE IY HONORABLE.

JESUS came to magnify the LAW from the INSIDE OUT quoting MATTHEW 5:17-32 (thoughts and feelings) in fulfillment of *ISAIAH 42:21. This is to show that unless our RIGHTOUESNESS EXCEEDS the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we can in no way enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Jesus is saying the problem runs deeper then outward observance to the 10 Commandments. EVIL begins in the HEART. BREAKING GOD's 10 COMMANDMENTS from the heart defile a man *MATTHEW 15:18-19. JESUS is saying we can be outwardly perfect and blameless like the Scribes and Pharisee but inwardly like dead mans bones *MATTHEW 23:27-28.

JESUS magnified the LAW to the INSIDE OUT. To show us that we are all sinners in need of a Saviour and that sin originates in the HEART (thoughts and feelings). That is why we have the NEW COVENANT promise to LOVE and need to be BORN AGAIN by Faith in God's WORD for salvation to be free from SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) *HEBREWS 8:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:3-10.

When JESUS is talking about LAW AND THE PROPHETS was until JOHN is that the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law and prophets all pointed to JESUS. These are not GOD's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. This is proven in the next verses LUKE 16:17-18 and the PARALLEL Gospels of MATTHEW 5:17-32 and all through the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures (Need more scripture? click me)

Can you see your error of interpretation here brother? You left out the context of the scripture you quote.

Hope this helps.

 

[ace of hearts]

Nope I did not. Where does it say that all the laws are in the 10 commandment in what you are quoting from which was...

You claim the rest of the Book of the Law are the laws of Moses while the famous 10 are the laws of God.

No one is saying or claiming what you are. While it is God's WORD that says those who claim they are Christian while CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPTENANT SIN are lying and do not know God *1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-6-9. God's WORD teaches us that we will only KNOW GOD if we KNOW that we do not KNOW him and seek him through his WORD and call upon his name. Those who say they see do not see because they are blind. JESUS says; If you were blind, you should have no sin: but now you say, We see; therefore your sin remains *JOHN 9:41.

Yep again it doesn't (strawman)

Else where you clearly say this unrepentant sin is failure to keep the 7th day sabbath. Why not here? Why do you beat the bushes?

 

[ace of hearts]

How does what you post here address what you are quoting from here...

Hmm this is another good example about not addressing all the scriptures or the post that disagrees with you. Can you see what I have been talking about with you here how you are not addressing what is posted to you but simply adding my quote in then not resonding to the content and the scriptures in the post you are quoting from?

Yep it doesn't.

Just looking at the full verse giving meaning to those that follow. Only by the deletion of half the verse are you able to come to your conclusion.

 

[ace of hearts]

What do you think not telling the truth means?

You know I should really just report you.

Nope not at all. They are proof like you do with many of my posts that you quote parts of my posts and the scriptures in them without addressing the content and scriptures you are quoting from.

I wouldn't do that if you considered a whole verse bearing meaning to those that follow or adding in things that aren't there. Nearly 100% of my verses are directly contradicting your presentation.

For instance you claim we're obligated to the law when Gal 5 says no and why. You also refuse to accept the truth of LK 16, 22 and 24. Your refuse to accept Jn 3 by adding the law as a requirement. You gloat and condemn from the same verse in Rev 22 which is contrary to Jn 3 and 5. You refuse to accept Rom 7:6 as truth. You refuse to accept 1 Jn. I could go on with more, but you should get the idea of what I'm saying. Yeah I'm probably only going to get a denial.

Well that has no truth in it. The eviduence is the posts and all the scriptures posted that show your errors of interpretation because you take the scriptures out of context. When the scriptures have the context added back in it shows they do not say what you claim they do and show your errors. Also, further evidence have been shown all through our discussion as your interpretation of the scriptures contradict other scriptures. This should be a warning to you. God's WORD does not contradict God's WORD. If you find your interpretation of the scriptures is conflicting with other scripture it is your interpretation of them not God's WORD.

No they show what you believe contrary to the New Covenant. Then lately you're using Eph 2:8 and making statements salvation is by faith in Jesus and grace. That is contrary to the bulk of your posts and your continuance of promoting the law over grace and Jesus for salvation. Your continued condemnation about unrepentant sin (meaning keeping the law) is proof. The odd thing is you don't even keep what you holler about. The evidence is you don't even accept what Moses says.

 

[ace of hearts]

Once again all I hear are your words over God's WORD not responding to the posts you are quoting from. Ignoring God's WORD does not make it disappear. We all answer only to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. If you did not wish to have a discussion just say so. No need to pretend we are while ignoring the posts and all the scriptures in them that disagree with you.

Just read and think about the passages I reference, quote and talk about. You don't need to consider anything else. The passages I mention give you enough headache it could be called a migraine. No that isn't the reason I post here.

 

[ace of hearts]

Your confused brother. I do not have a dead man or promote the OLD MAN as representing the law. ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7 has the dead man representing the OLD MAN OF SIN that is to die so that we should no longer serve it by becoming ALIVE in Christ *ROMANS 6:1-16; ROMANS 7:1-5.

Oh yeah that's right you have the husband representing the flesh against the context. There's no G4561 in the first 5 verses. So the reality is you have the dead husband (you call the flesh) dying and raising from the dead to marry another. It's the wife and not the husband that does the marrying after being freed by death. If you read the rest of the chapter you will easily understand we still live in our carnal body. If you read Rom 8 you will also find out the carnal body isn't subject to the law.

The problem we have is we're not on the same page or level. Your preaching merit only gratifies the carnal mind.

Anything you KNOW to be SIN and CONTINUE practicing it *JAMES 4:17; JAMES 2:10-11; HEBREWS 10:26-27 because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23; ROMANS 8:13.

Sin has been pointed out to you without results.

Actually nope it doesn't it is the law of SIN and DEATH which is the MAN of SIN or sinful human nature.

How is the law of sin and death activated?

[12], Why the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
[13], Was then that which is good made death to me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
[14], For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Which you don't understand by the evidence of your posts.

[15], For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
[16], If then I do that which I would not, I consent to the law that it is good.
[17], Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[18], For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwells no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19], For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
[20], Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[21], I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
[22], For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
[23], But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[24], O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

You quote words you don't understand trying very hard to make them say something they don't.

Not really going your way at all now is it. Can you see your error here brother?

It sure doesn't go your way even by quoting passages you don't understand or believe.