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True. They often need the choir to stay motivated, regardless of whether they follow God's truth or their own. Without each other they soon drift away, still not having the true connection to God in themselves.Some folks faith crumbles without the church. I dont blame them because it's blindness. I was forced to go alone and it opened my eyes. I try to do that for others but I get disliked
I think I have a bit of truth that others don't. How do you know it's not a spiritual gift?Do you think you and you alone have the truth?
The wheat and tares grow together. And despite the presence of those wolves Paul still admonished the Romans to submit to those with authority. And spoke of the Spirit enabling teachers and pastors...yet you declare yourself to be without need..Vicious wolves came in as Paul said. People no longer endure truth but follow teachers as Paul said.
The wolves are the teachers you say that I should follow. I follow teachers. I follow Jesus and his apostles and David and the prophetsThe wheat and tares grow together. And despite the presence of those wolves Paul still admonished the Romans to submit to those with authority. And spoke of the Spirit enabling teachers and pastors...yet you declare yourself to be without need..
A bit of truth? You seem to be fashioning yourself as without the need of doctrinal correction, with instruction on the Word and its interpretation, without instruction on how to live according the faith. Why then do you suggest something of spiritual gifts?I think I have a bit of truth that others don't. How do you know it's not a spiritual gift?
Team players often living within a worldly government using God to control the masses. The saints and true followers of the Kingdom were often said to be on the narrow path and called haters of man for a reason. They were of a counter-culture to the traditions of man. Actually an institution seems to demand loyalty to itself first before even, if ever, giving the secret to salvation that Jesus made so simple that it would seem as a result, these governments served no purpose.In my experience, those who reject traditional church institutions are far more often following their own prideful imaginings than sound doctrine. The Holy Spirit is a corporate gifting, rarely manifesting singularly.
I think some have problem with isolation. It can be appropriate for a time, but we are encouraged not to forsake the assembly of the brethren for we grow up to the full stature of Christ as a body, not a single unit.Of course. It really is simple. I'm very detailed. It is how God made me, but I know that simplicity is essential and sharpens the vision, and, it really is simple.
Some do provide a nice place to fellowship and grow, but when it overshadows the simplicity in Christ and draws our attention away from Him, big problem.
I invited you to correct me. I told you there is nothing to correct.A bit of truth? You seem to be fashioning yourself as without the need of doctrinal correction, with instruction on the Word and its interpretation, without instruction on how to live according the faith. Why then do you suggest something of spiritual gifts?
Who are these teachers you follow? How did you come to be instructed by them?The wolves are the teachers you say that I should follow. I follow teachers. I follow Jesus and his apostles and David and the prophets
The reason for churches is to encourage us not to sin and to love each other. I have the holy spirit for that. I've grown up in Christ. If I go to church and preach against politics I won't be welcomed. So it's not me forsaking anything. Also, the church is divided over politics and thats not loving each other. Also no one teaches them to repent. So what can they possibly help me do?I think some have problem with isolation. It can be appropriate for a time, but we are encouraged not to forsake the assembly of the brethren for we grow up to the full stature of Christ as a body, not a single unit.
Just don't make the "to be alone or assemble" a doctrine one must follow or you will hinder the Holy Spirit's voice in your life for time alone with Him, and time assembled with your brethren.
I just took it more that you were talking more about the differences in traditions and emphasis, and doctrine that often lead to division if not found in the simplicity in Christ.
Secret to salvation? It's public declaration, those who claim there is a secret have always been opposed by the public traditions. And the institutions were built around the tradition, not the other way around. Certainly there have been mixed loyalties and enemies in the ranks, but the visible church as imperfect as it is remains a necessity for teaching, confession, reproof. Those who imagine themselves solely being led by the spirit while denying the corporate movement of the spirit only serve to deceive themselves.Team players often living within a worldly government using God to control the masses. The saints and true followers of the Kingdom were often said to be on the narrow path and called haters of man for a reason. They were of a counter-culture to the traditions of ma,. Actually an institution seems to demand loyalty to itself first before even, if ever, giving the secret to salvation that Jesus made so simple it would seem as a result, these government served no purpose.
Im looking for perfectionSecret to salvation? It's public declaration, those who claim there is a secret have always been opposed by the public traditions. And the institutions were built around the tradition, not the other way around. Certainly there have been mixed loyalties and enemies in the ranks, but the visible church as imperfect as it is remains a necessity for teaching, confession, reproof. Those who imagine themselves solely being led by the spirit while denying the corporate movement of the spirit only serve to deceive themselves.
All they need do is tell the people as Jesus did, to put the will of God ahead of their own, thus treating each other as they would want God to treat them. Then cut them loose to spread that gospel also as Jesus commanded. After all, it was his Gospel of the Kingdom.Certainly there have been mixed loyalties and enemies in the ranks, but the visible church as imperfect as it is remains a necessity for teaching, confession, reproof.
Everything Paul teaches brings us into the kingdom. Sadly people prefer theological divisions and political strife.All they need do is tell the people as Jesus did, to put the will of God ahead of their own, thus treating each other as they would want God to treat them. Then cut them loose to spread that gospel also as Jesus commanded. After all, it was his Gospel of the Kingdom.
Yes that is the way of the world, not of the Kingdom. There is division but only between the Kingdom and the world of man.Sadly people prefer theological divisions and political strife.
People complicate our simple doctrine. If I were preaching I would want it to be as simple as possible to understand. You shouldn't need a theology degree to understand what someone is saying. Scripture is lovely however.All they need do is tell the people as Jesus did, to put the will of God ahead of their own, thus treating each other as they would want God to treat them. Then cut them loose to spread that gospel also as Jesus commanded. After all, it was his Gospel of the Kingdom.
Exactly. It's the kingdom verses the world. People wrongly think that it's the kingdom and the worldYes that is the way of the world, not of the Kingdom. There is division but only between the Kingdom and the world of man.
No but you do to understand man's religions. God gave simply and freely. Man is more complex and manipulative.You shouldn't need a theology degree to understand what someone is saying.
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