Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[USincognito]

Did you?

Of couse I did. Why would you ask such a stupid question?

>>
However, our results also support the arguments made by voting and immigrant rights organizations that the portion of non-citizen immigrants who participate in U.S.
elections is quite small. Indeed, given the extraordinary efforts made by the Obama and McCain campaigns to mobilize voters in 2008, the relatively small portion of non-
citizens who voted in 2008 likely exceeded the portion of non-citizens voting in other recent U.S. elections. <<

In other words 2008 was an outlier and the already small percentage of non-citizens voting is even less in other years.

 

[camille70]

Trying to ban immigration from predominantly Muslim countries.

Separating children from parents at the border.

Closing the border to force a crisis on the Mexican side.

Trying to eliminate DACA protections.

Separated and caged them like puppies, with no plan or intention of reuniting them.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

If you want to believe that Trump hasn’t said horrible things about Hispanics, go ahead.

My belief about what Trump did or did not say has little to do with my question concerning where on the video he stated what you posted. I just asked "what time" on the video and you cant tell me but talk about my beliefs as they pertain to Trumps utterances?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Well, fascists, for one.

Let's look at the definition again: Fascism is "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Great, lets keep reading.

When Donald Trump calls the free press "the enemy of the people" that's a problem.

I was tempted to stop reading after this line because it tells me that everything below is probably more ideologically driven propaganda that you received from fake news. Trump called fake news the enemy of the people, not the free press. But I will keep reading out of curiosity. Hopefully it gets better.

When Donald Trump praises dictators and says things like how he likes the idea of "president for life" that's a problem.

Yeah, and I like the idea of being president for life. So what? That doesn't make me a fascist

When Donald Trump calls refugees seeking asylum an "invasion" that's a problem.

It was an attempted invasion just like they actually invaded Mexico by force. They weren't all refugees seeking asylum either.

Using fear and hate mongering to demonize groups of other humans beings--such as immigrants and Muslims--that's fascism at work.

I think you mean Trump was demonizing drug cartels, MS-13 gang members, and Islamic Extremists. I don't think he ever demonized legal immigrants and Muslims. More fake news propaganda. Its not looking good.

Just so I'm clear, I don't think Donald Trump is some evil genius masterminding some nefarious plot to overthrow American democracy; he's a narcissistic and incompetent buffoon.

So Trump isn't a fascist? Just a narcissistic buffoon?

I don't think America is going to become a fascist dictatorship--that's not my fear.

My fear is that we have set dangerous precedent going forward into the future. We have allowed ourselves to become a nation ruled by hate, fear, and anger--Donald Trump is the national symbol of the darkest and worst parts of America.[/QUOTE] I am glad that you are not afraid of America becoming a fascist dictatorship. So there isn't any reason to be afraid of Donald Trumps perceived "fascism"...right? Furthermore, facts don't care about feelings. Just because you feel like Donald Trump is "the national symbol of the darkest and worst parts of America" doesn't mean that it is true.

Trump will pass, but what has been established is that America's deep sickness is only ever just barely below the surface. And the day could come when someone who sounds like Trump but who is actually competent and capable should try to run for office, America simply may not be strong enough to recognize or stand up against such a danger. And it will be up to the rest of the world to keep us in check. God willing, that won't ever have to happen.

Okay, now I am thoroughly confused. I thought you said that you don't think America is going to become a fascist dictatorship and that wasn't your fear. But then you turn around and "fear monger" about the doom and gloom about how America can become a fascist dictatorship because of Trump? I am really scratching my head at this.

 

[Radagast]

I posted critics of that paper who felt that data supported that there was essentially zero illegal immigrant voting.

It was a peer-reviewed paper. The criticisms pointed out sources of error, but the paper already acknowledged potential errors, which is why it reported such a wide possible range.

And your own 538 link says "The number of fraudulent voters isn’t zero."

I stand by what I said: a substantial number of non-citizens vote, but nobody really knows how many.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I can't believe these doctors are for open borders!

That is the logic currently on display.

No they are not for open boarders. They still respect the rule of law of other countries and cross the borders legally. I don't think anyone from the "Doctors without Borders" are forcibly crossing the borders of other sovereign nations demanding that they are entitled to enter.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

It was a peer-reviewed paper. The criticisms pointed out sources of error, but the paper already acknowledged potential errors, which is why it reported such a wide possible range.

And your own 538 link says "The number of fraudulent voters isn’t zero."

I stand by what I said: a substantial number of non-citizens vote, but nobody really knows how many.

Fair enough.

Although many posts ago you suggested that you had evidence the number of illegal immigrants voting was in the millions.

 

[USincognito]

If that was true, directing hate, fear, and anger at working-class white people wearing red hats would not be the answer.

They are the source of the anger.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

My belief about what Trump did or did not say has little to do with my question concerning where on the video he stated what you posted. I just asked "what time" on the video and you cant tell me but talk about my beliefs as they pertain to Trumps utterances?

Once again, 8 years of dealing with people calling me racist for merely disagreeing with Obama's policies. This is nothing new. Conservative don't care anymore about the emotional insults and accusations from the left. If they keep it up, we will be looking at four more years of Trump.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Separated and caged them like puppies, with no plan or intention of reuniting them.

These?

Obama-era photos of immigrant children in cages go viral

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

They are the source of the anger.

The source of unwarranted anger by the left?

 

[Radagast]

Although many posts ago you suggested that you had evidence the number of illegal immigrants voting was in the millions.

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I think I said that the best-guess number was around one million. That's also an estimate I've seen elsewhere in print (but I don't have the reference to hand).

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Once again, 8 years of dealing with people calling me racist for merely disagreeing with Obama's policies. This is nothing new. Conservative don't care anymore about the emotional insults and accusations from the left. If they keep it up, we will be looking at four more years of Trump.

On the contrary, based on the threads started on CF, there seem to be quite a few conservatives who care about perceived "emotional insults and accusations from the left."

These?

Obama-era photos of immigrant children in cages go viral

The key is "separated." The Obama administration did "cage" unaccompanied minors. I agree - this was bad. However, the Trump administration separated children from their parents. This the Obama administration did not do.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

On the contrary, based on the threads started on CF, there seem to be quite a few conservatives who care about perceived "emotional insults and accusations from the left."



The key is "separated." The Obama administration did "cage" unaccompanied minors. I agree - this was bad. However, the Trump administration separated children from their parents. This the Obama administration did not do.

You referring to what Jeff Sessions stated concerning this?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

You referring to what Jeff Sessions stated concerning this?

The separation policy? Yes.

 

[camille70]

These?

Obama-era photos of immigrant children in cages go viral

We've already discussed those images in the past. How many children or parents did he lose?

 

[Radagast]

Separated and caged them like puppies, with no plan or intention of reuniting them.

That's more fake news.

Children were not "caged like puppies," and there's an entire government bureaucracy (the ORR) for placing those children with relatives in the community, and for reuniting them with their parents later (as a result of constraints imposed on the government by the Reno v. Flores decision of 1993/97, which does not allow children to be detained with their parents).

See About Unaccompanied Alien Children's Services

 

[EpiscipalMe]

I'm pretty sure I didn't say that. I think I said that the best-guess number was around one million. That's also an estimate I've seen elsewhere in print (but I don't have the reference to hand).

"The results, we show, are completely accounted for by very low frequency measurement error; further, the likely percent of non-citizen voters in recent US elections is 0."
The Perils of Cherry Picking Low Frequency Events in Large Sample Surveys

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You still didn't answer my question, how is hope and change a moniker of the black power movement? You posted a bunch of things that didn't answer the question.

I don't know how much more I can break this down for you. To the radical black supremacists like the ones found in the Black Panthers, they truly believed that by finally having a black president they could finally overthrow and oppress white people in retaliation. To these people the "Hope and Change" that they were calling for was the "Hope" that they had that a black man would be president so that they could "Change" the country into one of black nationalism and oppression of white people.

As I stated numerous times that myself and over 99% of Americans don't find any connection to Obama using "Hope and Change" to even imply such a motive. The point that I made is that you are right. "Hope and change" was never intended to be a moniker of the black power movement by President Obama and over 99% of his supporters. Just the few exceptions. Just like "MAGA" is not a moniker for white supremacy by President Trump and over 99% of his supporters. Just the few exceptions. You are trying to make an argument that isn't there. Also, you may want to change your profile picture. Someone may "feel offended" and report you for goading.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

That's more fake news.

Children were not "caged them like puppies," and there's an entire government bureaucracy (the ORR) for placing those children with relatives in the community, and for reuniting them with their parents later (as a result of constraints imposed on the government by the Reno v. Flores decision of 1993/97, which does not allow children to be detained with their parents).

See Children Entering the United States Unaccompanied: Section 1

Yep, more fake news propaganda.