Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[Radagast]

The Trump administration lost track of about 1500 children.
U.S. Loses Track of Another 1,500 Migrant Children, Investigators Find

This related to the policy of placing refugee children with relatives in the community. The ORR sometimes had out-of-date contact details for those relatives. The children weren't actually "lost."

But, by making this complaint, you are admitting that the Trump policy was to place the children with relatives in the community.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

That is true. However, it does not justify inhumane treatment once they are here.

You believe that Trump means to inhumane towards children?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

On the contrary, based on the threads started on CF, there seem to be quite a few conservatives who care about perceived "emotional insults and accusations from the left."



The key is "separated." The Obama administration did "cage" unaccompanied minors. I agree - this was bad. However, the Trump administration separated children from their parents. This the Obama administration did not do.

How do you know that the people claiming to be the parents are actually the parents? That was the issue. When you have a "family" sneaking across the boarder without any documentation. It is in the best interest of the children to ensure that the individuals claiming to be their parents are verified to actually be their parents. To many children are smuggled into this country by "Coyotes" and are repetitively raped by those claiming to be the "parents".

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You believe that Trump means to inhumane towards children?

Of course they do. Trump is " the symbol of the worst side of Americans and all that is dark in this country".

 

[Radagast]

It is in the best interest of the children to ensure that the individuals claiming to be their parents are verified to actually be their parents.

I have absolutely no idea if that happens at the Mexico/US border, but it is a factor in sex trafficking of minors in Europe.

Maybe we should take all kids away from their parents. Do you have kids?

Legal residents have ID, birth certificates, and stuff like that.

Quite frequently, police take minors into protective custody because they are with an adult who is shown by ID checks not to be a relative. And there are an estimated 100,000 American children trafficked for sex each year.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Of course they do. Trump is " the symbol of the worst side of Americans and all that is dark in this country".

All I know is that I have never encountered so much screeching in my life lol

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Now this worries me, because (1) there never was a "Trump family separation" policy (only the Flores decision from the 1990s), and (2) Trump's executive order did something, but it didn't do what you think. Read your own links again, more closely.

The Trump administration, via Jeff Sessions, instituted a "zero tolerance policy." This led directly to separation of families at the border. The Flores decision was used by the Trump administration as an excuse.

Here Are the Facts About President Trump's Family Separation Policy
AP FACT CHECK: Obama didn't have family separation policy

This related to the policy of placing refugee children with relatives in the community. The ORR sometimes had out-of-date contact details for those relatives. The children weren't actually "lost."

But, by making this complaint, you are admitting that the Trump policy was to place the children with relatives in the community.

To the best of their ability. However, the report also documents cases of children being placed with non-relatives who then exploited them for child labor.

You believe that Trump means to inhumane towards children?

Obviously I do believe that in this case.

How do you know that the people claiming to be the parents are actually the parents? That was the issue. When you have a "family" sneaking across the boarder without any documentation. It is in the best interest of the children to ensure that the individuals claiming to be their parents are verified to actually be their parents. To many children are smuggled into this country by "Coyotes" and are repetitively raped by those claiming to be the "parents".

So you are going to assume that all children are traveling with people who are not their parents?

 

[Ana the Ist]

This the Obama administration did not do.

Of course it did, that policy was in place before Obama, under Obama, and is still in place now.

The only change Trump made was to prosecute everyone who could legally be prosecuted.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I have absolutely no idea if that happens at the Mexico/US border, but it is a factor in sex trafficking of minors in Europe.

Yep, happens all the time on the Southern Border. People pay thousands of dollars to Mexican drug cartels to smuggle their children in hope that they will have a better life in America only to find that their children were raped all along the way and then forced to work as sex slaves in America.

Sexual assault of migrants from Latin America to the United States - Wikipedia

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

I have absolutely no idea if that happens at the Mexico/US border, but it is a factor in sex trafficking of minors in Europe.



Legal residents have ID, birth certificates, and stuff like that.

Quite frequently, police take minors into protective custody because they are with an adult who is shown by ID checks not to be a relative. And there are an estimated 100,000 American children trafficked for sex each year.

This is how I was understanding the separations, because of the coyotes and traffickers. Like why put the adults with the children in those cases (and many others).

 

[Ana the Ist]

It was a direct result of the "zero tolerance" policy instituted by the Trump administration.

What Trump's 'zero-tolerance' immigration policy means for children separated from families at border
Trump Defends Family-Separation Policy
Here Are the Facts About President Trump's Family Separation Policy

Trump only signed the executive order after being criticized from all sides for the policy:
"President Trump signed an executive order on Wednesday ending his administration's policy of separating migrant children from their parents who were detained as they attempted to enter the U.S. illegally.

The action came after a firestorm of protest from administration opponents and allies, reacting to pictures and sounds of young children traumatized by their separation from their parents at the hands of U.S. authorities."

Trump's Executive Order On Family Separation: What It Does And Doesn't Do

Straight from your first link...

"There is no law that dictates children must be separated from their parents when caught crossing into the country illegally."

Try again. We'll call this fail #1.

 

[Radagast]

This led directly to separation of families at the border.

It also happened under Obama, but probably less often.

The Flores decision was used by the Trump administration as an excuse.

It wasn't an excuse, it was a SCOTUS decision.

To the best of their ability.

And also, to the best of their ability, reunited them with parents.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

So you are going to assume that all children are traveling with people who are not their parents?

For the safety of the children, I would absolutely assume that the person claiming to be the child's parent is actually their rapists until they can be verified. I would not take their word for it when there was over 10,000 children raped by their smugglers last year...that we know of.

 

[Radagast]

This is how I was understanding the separations, because of the coyotes and traffickers.

Well, that's one reason.

The main reason was the SCOTUS had decided that, if you detained parents, the children had to go somewhere else.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Well, that's one reason.

The main reason was the SCOTUS had decided that, if you detained parents, the children had to go somewhere else.

Its a difficult decision, I know its not as difficult a thing when an American breaks the law they are separated from their children and put into a cage. Maybe the children should go into the cage (prison) with their parents too?

Im kidding (going to bed, wanted to reply before I did) night!

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Straight from your first link...

"There is no law that dictates children must be separated from their parents when caught crossing into the country illegally."

Try again. We'll call this fail #1.

Right.

Not a law.

A Trump administration policy.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Families were not separated under Obama - that is the point.

Because Obama chose not to do his job and ensure laws are enforced instead of picking and choosing which ones to enforce based on his ideology. Last I checked the Justice Department fell under the Executive Branch.

Edit: Remember that thing I said about conservatives "Respecting the Rule of Law"? Yeah, Trump is actually doing his job and enforcing the laws that Congress passed. Trump isn't being cruel for enforcing the laws anymore than a police officer is being cruel for arresting a criminal. What is cruel is the democrat congress that has absolutely no intention of implementing the immigration reform that President Trump has been asking since day 1 to make LEGAL immigration easer and ILLEGAL immigration more difficult.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Families were not separated under Obama - that is the point.

Of course they were.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Right.

Not a law.

A Trump administration policy.

Point to a policy that says children are to be separated from parents.

 

[Radagast]

Point to a policy that says children are to be separated from parents.

Well, that's effectively what the Flores decision of 1993/97 said: that if parents are detained, the children are not to be detained with them.