Why is "MAGA" offensive?

[tulc]

They're not allowed to vote. In many cases, there are no mechanisms to stop them.

Oh...so you have proof of a lot of illegal voting going on by non-citizens?
tulc(is just curious)

 

[USincognito]

An entity?

Yes.

 

[Radagast]

Trumpism is the political movement centered around Donald Trump.

You say that. But what does this "movement" consist of? There's no organisation, no web site, no agenda... It seems to be defined only by allegations.

1) Radical Nationalism
2) Devotion to a Leader
3) Scapegoating the undesirable
4) Demonizing and criminalizing all oppositions
5) Targeting democratic institutions, such as freedom of the press

I see you implying that people who wear red hats support those things. I see no evidence for that.

In fact, I see you doing at least #3 and #4 on that list.

 

[USincognito]

Of course, the future voting base

Well, people do tend to be more inclined to support a group that welcomes them rather than dehumanizes them.

 

[Radagast]

Wrong. Cases of non-citizens voting are in the handfulls each year and that has more to do with soddy registration policy not the act of voting itself.

Academic estimates I've seen are of the order of a million. The true number is unknown.

Be that as it may, however, I stand by what I actually said.

 

[Radagast]

AOC is not a Dem leader.

Define "leader."

Even if she was, where is your evidence?

Numerous statements.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Academic estimates I've seen are of the order of a million. The true number is unknown.

Be that as it may, however, I stand by what I actually said.

So no evidence then?

Define "leader."

From dictionary.com:
"a person or thing that leads.
a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group.
Music .

1. a conductor or director, as of an orchestra, band, or chorus.
2. the player at the head of the first violins in an orchestra, the principal cornetist in a band, or the principal soprano in a chorus, to whom any incidental solos are usually assigned.

a featured article of trade, especially one offered at a low price to attract customers. Compare loss leader.
Journalism .

1. leading article(def 1).
2. Also called leading article. British . the principal editorial in a newspaper.

blank film or tape at the beginning of a length of film or magnetic tape, used for threading a motion-picture camera, taperecorder, etc. Compare trailer(def 6)."

So, not a first term congresswoman.

Numerous statements.

So, again, no evidence?

 

[SummerMadness]

I'm still waiting for a quote about open borders. The most I have seen is posting something that is not calling for open borders and saying it's calling for open borders.

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Well, people do tend to be more inclined to support a group that welcomes them rather than dehumanizes them.

Who dehumanizes them? Immigrants are welcome in this country, we have legal immigration and illegal immigration, people prefer immigrants coming in legally, they will feel the love coming in that way.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

Who dehumanizes them?

Donald Trump

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

Donald Trump

What did he do to them?

 

[Radagast]

So no evidence then?

J.T. Richman et al., "Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?," Electoral Studies 36 (2014)

From dictionary.com:
"a person or thing that leads.
a guiding or directing head, as of an army, movement, or political group.

So congresspeople lead the Democratic Party. Unless you are saying that Nancy Pelosi is the only Democrat leader?

 

[Radagast]

I'm still waiting for a quote about open borders.

To (1) physically permit people to cross the border and (2) have no penalty for crossing the border illegally is to have an open border.

 

[tulc]

Academic estimates I've seen are of the order of a million.

Link?

The true number is unknown.

So...it could also be none. I mean if it's based on guesses and the "true number is unknown" wouldn't none be just as likely as a million?

Be that as it may, however, I stand by what I actually said.

Now there's something it would be nice to see a lot more people doing.
tulc(in or out of the government)

 

[EpiscipalMe]

What did he do to them?

It is not what he did, it is what he said.

 

[EpiscipalMe]

To (1) physically permit people to cross the border and (2) have no penalty for crossing the border illegally is to have an open border.

Evidence that this is what Democrats advocate?

 

[USincognito]

Who dehumanizes them?

’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists.

Facebook posts suggesting immigrants should be shot at the border spark outrage

FACT CHECK: Are 'One-Third' of Caravan Migrants Sick with HIV, Tuberculosis, and Chicken Pox?

Immigrants are welcome in this country, we have legal immigration and illegal immigration, people prefer immigrants coming in legally, they will feel the love coming in that way.

Actually illegal immigrants are tremendously welcome here by businesses and rich people hiring nannies and housekeepers. If we didn't keep hiring them, they wouldn't keep coming.

 

[Radagast]

Evidence that this is what Democrats advocate?

You are kidding, right?

 

[WherevertheWindblows]

It is not what he did, it is what he said.

Like what?

 

[EpiscipalMe]

J.T. Richman et al., "Do non-citizens vote in U.S. elections?," Electoral Studies 36 (2014)

Commentary criticizing that paper:
The Perils of Cherry Picking Low Frequency Events in Large Sample Surveys
The Tangled Story Behind Trump’s False Claims Of Voter Fraud

Commentary by the author:
Some thoughts on non-citizen voting | Jesse Richman

So congresspeople lead the Democratic Party. Unless you are saying that Nancy Pelosi is the only Democrat leader?

There are any number of leaders in the House and Senate:
Leadership | House.gov
U.S. Senate: Leadership & Officers