Why is Hell permanent?

[stan1953]

no there not the only verses i know, but untill you answer it, and stop saying something that it doesnt say, and acknowledge what it says, then i'll stay on it, if you dont like it, you dont have to read it.

I answered them a long time ago...you won't receive the answer. You won't acknowledge the context of those scriptures. I can't make you.

 

[stan1953]

ya ya , just stop short of condemning me to hell, i know where that is going....believe me, considering in the arrogance you present your views in, and the pride that overwhelms all your answers, it doesnt surprise me in the least that your insinuating me and others are going to be damned to hell....you can stop short of saying it....God knows what your thinking,and your pride and pompousness are not deceiving the One who can read your heart.... and some will have alot of explaining to do, when their true works are revealed to them on the day of judgement.....God isnt deceived.

NOT at all. ONLY God does and will condem. Your response if born out of guilt and your name calling is born out of fear. You are absolutely correct, God is not deceived, people are, by the father of deceivers.
Galatians 6:7... Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

 

[dollarsbill]

Matthew 10:28

English Standard Version (ESV)

28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Doesn't say He will. Says He CAN.

 

[dollarsbill]

Yes exactly but I was commenting on your ridicule to my comment about the body and soul NOT being intrinsically linked in scripture. God CAN destroy whatever He created. Just because God CAN do something, doesn't mean He does or will. Again your reasoning is a little faulty.

 

[Sadalmelik]

doesnt mean He wont either, i dont limit what God can or cant do, or what He will or wont do? your not God, so you dont know, do you. according to the rest of scripture, and the accurate interpretation of verses concerning hell, thats exactly what God is going to do, thats my interpretation, and its backed up by scipture.

im sure this bible verse is just a threat, as you view it. God doesnt make threats, just promises.

 

[dollarsbill]

doesnt mean He wont either, i dont limit what God can or cant do, or what He will or wont do? your not God, so you dont know, do you. according to the rest of scripture, and the accurate interpretation of verses concerning hell, thats exactly what God is going to do, thats my interpretation, and its backed up by scipture.

im sure this bible verse is just a threat, as you view it. God doesnt make threats, just promises.

Eternal punishment means what it says. Never ending. Just like eternal life.

 

[Sadalmelik]

NOT at all. ONLY God does and will condem. Your response if born out of guilt and your name calling is born out of fear. You are absolutely correct, God is not deceived, people are, by the father of deceivers.
Galatians 6:7... Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

nope, no guilt here, had it when i was deceived, back when i took others word for what scripture said, instead of reading what the original texts said, before it was erroneously translated. i felt much guilt, for worshipping a god who tortured people mercilessly without end, and i didnt feel very comfortable worshipping such a being, but once i found out thats not the real God, and the God of the bible was a God of love and mercy and forgiveness, then i was much more at peace, the guilt went away, i wasnt embarrassed to worship the true God.

 

[dollarsbill]

nope, no guilt here, had it when i was deceived, back when i took others word for what scripture said, instead of reading what the original texts said, before it was erroneously translated. i felt much guilt, for worshipping a god who tortured people mercilessly without end, and i didnt feel very comfortable worshipping such a being, but once i found out thats not the real God, and the God of the bible was a God of love and mercy and forgiveness, then i was much more at peace, the guilt went away, i wasnt embarrassed to worship the true God.

The translators of our English Bibles are deceived? How do you know it isn't YOU who are deceived? The only way you can prove your doctrines are by YOUR personal translation. That isn't proof at all to say you are right and our MANY English Bibles are wrong. Those who deny eternal punishment all use their own translations as proof. Which isn't proof at all. That's exactly what you are doing.

 

[Sadalmelik]

Psalms 104:35, "Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more."

 

[dollarsbill]

Psalms 104:35, "Let the sinners be consumed out of the earth, and let the wicked be no more."

Yep

 

[Sadalmelik]

There are too many scriptures to mention them all using the term "forever" or "everlasting." Here are just a few as examples:

"We see the word "everlasting" applied to God's covenant with the Jews; to the priesthood of Aaron; to the statutes of Moses; to the time the Jews were to possess the land of Canaan; to the mountains and hills; and to the doors of the Jewish temple. We see the word forever applied to the duration of a man's earthly existence; to the time a child was to abide in the temple; to the continuance of Gehazi's leprosy; to the duration of the life of David; to the duration of a king's life; to the duration of the earth; to the time the Jews were to possess the land of Canaan; to the time they were to dwell in Jerusalem; to the time a servant was to abide with his master; to the time Jerusalem was to remain a city; to the duration of the Jewish temple; to the laws and ordinances of Moses; to the time David was to be king over Israel; to the throne of Solomon; to the stones that were set up at Jordan; to the time the righteous were to inhabit the earth; and to the time Jonah was in the fish's belly.

"We find the phrase forever and ever applied to the hosts of heaven, or the sun, moon, and stars; to a writing contained in a book; to the smoke that went up from the burning land of Idumea; and to the time the Jews were to dwell in Judea. We find the word never applied to the time the fire was to burn on the Jewish altar; to the time the sword was to remain in the house of David; to God's covenant with the Jews; to the time the Jews should not experience shame; to the time the house of David was to reign over Israel; to the time the Jews were not to open their mouths because of their shame; to the time those who fell by death should remain in their fallen state; and to the time judgment was not executed.
"But the law covenant is abolished; the priesthood of Aaron and his sons has ceased; the ordinances, and laws, and statutes of Moses are abrogated; the Jews have long since been dispossessed of the land of Canaan, have been driven from Judea, and God has brought upon them a reproach and a shame; the man to the duration of whose life the word forever was applied is dead; David is dead, and has ceased to reign over Israel; the throne of Solomon no longer exists; the Jewish temple is demolished, and Jerusalem has been overthrown, so that there is not left "one stone upon another;" the servants of the Jews have been freed from their masters; Gehazi is dead, and no one believes he carried his leprosy with him into the future world; the stones that were set up at Jordan have been removed, and the smoke that went up from the burning land of Idumea has ceased to ascend; the righteous do not inherit the earth endlessly, and no one believes that the mountains and hills, as such, are indestructible; the fire that burnt on the Jewish altar has long since ceased to burn; judgment has been executed; and no Christian believes that those who fall by death will never be awakened from their slumbers.

"Now, as these words are used in this limited sense in the Scriptures, why should it be supposed that they express endless duration when applied to punishment?" (Thomas B. Thayer - The Origin and History of the Doctrine of Endless Punishment). See Everlasting. - Gen. 17:7, 8, 13; 48:4; 49:26; Exod. 40:15; LeV 16:34; Numb. 25:13; Ps. 24:7; Hab. 3:6. Forever. - Deut. 15:17; 1 Sam. 1:22; 27:12; Lev 25:46; 2 Kings 5:27; Job 41:4; 1 Kings 1:31; Neh. 2:3; Dan. 2:4; Exod. 14:13; Eccl 1:4; Ps. 104:5; 78:69; Ezek. 37:25; Gen. 13:15; Exod. 32:13; Josh. 14:9; 1 Chron. 23:25; Jer. 17:25; Ps. 48:8; Jer. 31:40; 1 Kings 8:13; Numb. 10:8;18:23; 1 Chron. 28:4; 1 Kings 9:5; Josh. 4:7; Jonah 2:6; Ps. 37:29. Forever and ever. - Ps. 148:5, 6; Isa. 30:8; 34:10; Jer. 7:7; 25:5. Never. - LeV 6:13; 2 Sam. 12:10; Judges 2:1; Joel 2:26, 27; Jer. 33:17; Ezek. 16:63; Amos 8:14; Hab. 1:4.

Hanson wrote, "All these and numerous other eternal, everlasting things -- things that were to last forever, and to which the various aionion words are applied--have now ended, and if these hundreds of instances must denote limited duration why should the few times in which punishments are spoken of have any other meaning? Even if endless duration were the intrinsic meaning of the word, all intelligent readers of the Bible would perceive that the word must be employed to denote limited duration in the passages above cited. And surely in the very few times in which it is connected with punishment it must have a similar meaning."(ecclesia.org)

 

[dollarsbill]

Matthew 25:41, 46 (NASB)
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

Exact same Greek word, meaning NEVER ending.

 

[Sadalmelik]

yep, glad you noticed that dollarsbill, cause it is the exact same word, and as shown your idea of eternal, neverending, etc....have been shown to already ended, in the numerous examples above, over and over the things have ended, yet the same word was used.....how ironic is that?

 

[dollarsbill]

yep, glad you noticed that dollarsbill, cause it is the exact same word, and as shown your idea of eternal, neverending, etc....have been shown to already ended, in the numerous examples above, over and over the things have ended, yet the same word was used.....how ironic is that?

Eternal life doesn't end, and neither does eternal punishment.

 

[Iakobos]

The aggressive divisiveness among christians is both amusing and discrediting. Using sarcasm, insult and even weaponising beloved scripture to smack your "Truth" upon your "brothers" cheek. I mean you could at least pretend to love one another. Some example

 

[dollarsbill]

The aggressive divisiveness among christians is both amusing and discrediting. Using sarcasm, insult and even weaponising beloved scripture to smack your "Truth" upon your "brothers" cheek. I mean you could at least pretend to love one another. Some example

The Truth is love.

Matthew 25:41 (NASB)
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;

 

[Sadalmelik]

throwing someone into a pit of fire to be burned alive for all eternity is not my idea of love, nor is agreeing with someone who has a misguided view of scripture, just to avoid debate. to newbie.....this is a debate forum, for those who just want to talk to people who they agree with, there are other areas in cf, and on the web, for that purpose. if you feel putting up the truth in regards to scripture is sarcastic, insulting, and weaponizing, then perhaps a debate forum isnt where one ought to be.?

 

[dollarsbill]

throwing someone into a pit of fire to be burned alive for all eternity is not my idea of love, nor is agreeing with someone who has a misguided view of scripture, just to avoid debate. to newbie.....this is a debate forum, for those who just want to talk to people who they agree with, there are other areas in cf, and on the web, for that purpose. if you feel putting up the truth in regards to scripture is sarcastic, insulting, and weaponizing, then perhaps a debate forum isnt where one ought to be.?

If you know someone who can stop God from punishing the wicked forever, now's the time to speak up.

 

[Sadalmelik]

If you know someone who can stop God from punishing the wicked forever, now's the time to speak up.

yep, in fact i do know someone who can.....Its God....God can do anything, as ive already stated....except something which He is not...another words, God can stop Hiimself from doing that merely because it is not in His nature to punish and torture someone,anyone, for all eternity, to suffer an agonizing torture without end....just like God cant be evil, even if He wanted to be.....same analogy, torture/punishment is evil, and therefore against Gods nature....see how simple this truth is?

 

[Iakobos]

throwing someone into a pit of fire to be burned alive for all eternity is not my idea of love, nor is agreeing with someone who has a misguided view of scripture, just to avoid debate. to newbie.....this is a debate forum, for those who just want to talk to people who they agree with, there are other areas in cf, and on the web, for that purpose. if you feel putting up the truth in regards to scripture is sarcastic, insulting, and weaponizing, then perhaps a debate forum isnt where one ought to be.?

They start out as debates but they quickly turn nasty. Not that it bothers me personally, it's just ironic for christians.