Why is evolution taught in our schools?

[Subduction Zone]

1Co 15:5 And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: 1Co 15:6
After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1Co 15:7 After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles. 1Co 15:8
And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.

The last verse is speaking of Paul, who was taken to the 3rd Heaven, to see the resurrected Jesus and obtain His Gospel.

Yes, Paul, a man who never saw Jesus, said that 500 people saw him. I never met Elvis. If I said that 500 people saw Elvis after his death that would be similar.

 

[Aman777]

You need to quit the false accusations. I never said that there was not a man named Jesus. And it was not a cop out. I want to keep the discussion on topic.

You hand waved a poster away because he asked you where everything came from. He probably doesn't know that evolutionists avoid the beginning and fall back on their basic definition which falsely assumes that everything was already there BEFORE magical evolution took place.

Falling back to descent with modifications, which you call evolution, is a cop out because you avoided answering his question. Amen?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Chapter and verse from Job, please.

Job 1 7:

"And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it."

 

[tas8831]

we can detect design. period.

Yes, human design.

it doesnt matter who design what.

It matters very much.

 

[slobake]

Whenever I see a poster talk about theories being proven or unproven, I know immediately that the poster knows next to nothing about science and how science works. Theories are models about how something works based on a great deal of observation and much testing. However, theories are always tentative and provisional in that it is never possible to have all the evidence. It is always possible that new evidence will require that the theory be modified, or in some cases, discarded completely. The history of science is filled with examples of this. The word 'proof' simple does not apply in science the way it does in logic or in mathematics. What then can we say about evolution? We know from observation that evolution is a fact --- life on this planet has changed dramatically over time and that change continues even today. That fact cannot be argued. But what drives that change? How exactly does it work? That is where the theory of evolution comes in. However, this being said, it is possible to disprove the theory of evolution. All that would be needed are solid facts. That has not happened in the century and a half since Charles Darwin first proposed his theory.

Creationist Todd Woods wrote:



A very honest man!

Nice post thanks. It is common for some of us Christ followers to use expressions like "We did not evolve from monkeys" I may be splitting hairs here but that is not what the theory of evolution teaches. I suggest that anyone who is interested in this subject read Darwin's "Origin of Species." Stay away from authors like Richard Dawkins who have an axe to grind and go to the source for the theory of evolution. If we have some knowledge of the theory we can talk to others about it in a meaningful way.
Some anti-theists and some Christians think that the theory is a challenge to the Bible and our faith in general. I don't see it that way. God gave us minds and curiosity and it is good for us to study this amazing universe He created. I believe that as we keep searching and finding answers that the Bible will be shown to be accurate. I am not worried. God is the creator of everything and I worship Him not science or my intellect (Ha!).
I believe we teach the theory of evolution in our secular schools because that is the best explanation for creation that science has right now. If a teacher is saying we evolved from monkeys (which I doubt) that teacher is not qualified to teach the theory of evolution and should be fired or re-trained.
Those who oppose our faith in our amazing loving Father will always come up with new things to argue and debate about. That doesn't mean that all researchers and people who are studying these things are against God. Science is not necessarily anti-God and I don't believe God is anti-science. It is what some people try to do with the few things (very few) that we do know that can be a problem.
We can also count it a blessing if we are ridiculed because we believe in the Bible.

"Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the son of man."
Luke 6:22

 

[Subduction Zone]

You hand waved a poster away because he asked you where everything came from. He probably doesn't know that evolutionists avoid the beginning and fall back on their basic definition which falsely assumes that everything was already there BEFORE magical evolution took place.

Falling back to descent with modifications, which you call evolution, is a cop out because you avoided answering his question. Amen?

I waved a poster away because he was trying to move the goalposts. Moving the goalposts is an admission that one was wrong. If a creationist admits that he is wrong about evolution I will gladly discuss abiogenesis. And no, please don't make false claims about others. That is technically a violation of the Ninth Commandment, a Commandment that does more than ban mere lying.

I did not avoid answering a question. If anyone can be honest enough to admit that life as we know it is the product of evolution then we can cover evolution's predecessor.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, Paul, a man who never saw Jesus,

LOL ... I beg your pardon?

Serious question, Subduction Zone ... may I ask what college you attend(ed)?

There's a term that escapes me right now,* and it means someone who is educated in one field, but speaks outside of his area of expertise.

I would say that applies here.

* I think the word is "consilience," but I'm not sure.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL ... I beg your pardon?

Serious question, Subduction Zone ... may I ask what college you attend(ed)?

There's a term that escapes me right now,* and it means someone who is educated in one field, but speaks outside of his area of expertise.

I would say that applies here.

* I think the word is "consilience," but I'm not sure.

University of Minnesota, go Gophers. Which is why I know that according to the story the Ark was made in Minnesota. And when it comes to religion your education in the matter is probably worse than my own. I don't claim to be an expert, so I will rely on experts when needed.

And no, consilience does no apply here. When it comes to the existence of Jesus the man one could rely on that. But for the resurrection it does not exist. Paul by his own admission never say Jesus. He had a "vision".

 

[AV1611VET]

It is common for some of us Christ followers to use expressions like "We did not evolve from monkeys" I may be splitting hairs here but that is not what the theory of evolution teaches.

Then they changed their stance on it.

If my memory serves me correctly, "monkeys" has now been changed to "apes."

Just out of curiosity, what do you think when they refer to miracles as "magic"?

At least we old-timers grew up being taught it was monkeys.

But academians use "magic" as a pejorative.

 

[Aman777]

Yes, Paul, a man who never saw Jesus, said that 500 people saw him.

False, since Paul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus Act 9:3 and Jesus was brighter than the noonday Sun and blinded him. He also saw Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Gal 1:12 Paul saw Jesus twice thus refuting your post. Try again?

 

[Aman777]

Paul by his own admission never say Jesus. He had a "vision".

Just when does a vision strike one blind? Your knowledge of Scripture is found wanting.

 

[Subduction Zone]

False, since Paul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus Act 9:3 and Jesus was brighter than the noonday Sun and blinded him. He also saw Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Gal 1:12 Paul saw Jesus twice thus refuting your post. Try again?

That is not "seeing Jesus". That is seeing a vision.

Here is a way to test it. Change it to Paul seeing Jesus in a vision to Mohammad claiming that he saw Allah in a vision. Would you accept that as evidence that Mohammad "saw" God (Allah)?

 

[Subduction Zone]

Just when does a vision strike one blind? Your knowledge of Scripture is found wanting.

You probably have the cause and effect backwards. My knowledge is not wanting, your is. Once again, the way to look at this is as if someone from another religion made similar claims.

 

[Aman777]

If a creationist admits that he is wrong about evolution I will gladly discuss abiogenesis.

You mean magical chemical generation? I thought evolutionists used actual evidence to support their beliefs. Why don't you?

 

[Subduction Zone]

You mean magical chemical generation? I thought evolutionists used actual evidence to support their beliefs. Why don't you?

Once again, you need to remember the Ninth Commandment. You are not accurately representing what others say. This is not Christian proper Christian behavior.

 

[Aman777]

That is not "seeing Jesus". That is seeing a vision.

No so, since his "vision" physically blinded him:

Act 9:8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus. Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

You too will get to see Jesus at the Judgment. I can hardly wait. How bout you?

 

[AV1611VET]

False, since Paul saw Jesus on the road to Damascus Act 9:3 and Jesus was brighter than the noonday Sun and blinded him. He also saw Jesus in the 3rd Heaven. Gal 1:12 Paul saw Jesus twice thus refuting your post. Try again?

That's true.

In addition, when Saul of Tarsus got saved, he went to Arabia for three years and was tutored by Jesus Christ in Person.

Read Galatians 1.

Galatians 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Galatians 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 1:15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,
16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.

 

[Aman777]

Aman777 said: ↑
You mean magical chemical generation? I thought evolutionists used actual evidence to support their beliefs. Why don't you?

Once again, you need to remember the Ninth Commandment. You are not accurately representing what others say. This is not Christian proper Christian behavior.

Evolutionists have falsely assumed that life began when all the chemicals necessary were sparked into life by abiogenesis or magical chemical generation. Do you believe this? Or did it come from Water as the last universal common ancestor did? AND as Genesis 1:21 states? Where's the lie? The fantasy of magical chemical generation is the lie.

 

[slobake]

Then they changed their stance on it.

If my memory serves me correctly, "monkeys" has now been changed to "apes."

Just out of curiosity, what do you think when they refer to miracles as "magic"?

At least we old-timers grew up being taught it was monkeys.

But academians use "magic" as a pejorative.

Darwin theorized that apes, monkeys and humans must have a common ancestor because of the similarities between us. Make of this what you will but those who study his theory don't believe he is saying we evolved from apes or monkeys.
When someone refers to miracles as magic I ask why they think that and then I listen. I may or may not continue a conversation about that. Some people love to debate with Christians and it becomes pointless quickly. You will find yourself going down one rabbit trail after another and it will never end. No point for me, I don't need to win debates or be right. At that point it becomes about ME and not about sharing the gospel.
I have also been asked about "my imaginary friend in the sky" had my intelligence questioned and all sorts of other things. I do my best not to take the bait.

 

[AV1611VET]

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Off the record, I'm a big Columbo fan!