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Why is evolution taught in our schools?

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Off the record, I'm a big Columbo fan!
One more question. Hey, I know I am can be a bother but I just want to tie up a few loose ends but don't let it bother you. Like my brother-in-law Seymour always says "What, me worry?" :wave:
 
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Please just tell me how the Universe started, and how life originated apart from God then!
A large halsatilotour overate and consequently expelled a volume of expectation into a dimensionally limited latent cornucopia. This proved a fertile event and the universe expanded from there. Life began naturally as an emergent property of the chemical characteristics of atoms - the most important one being that to halsatilotours they all appear different shades of blue. All the gods were unavailable at the time as it was spring break.
 
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Having a vision is a very subjective thing that cannot be verified objectively. It could be in a dream it could be a sunstroke induced hallucination. Is it a supernatural event? Nobody can say with any certainty.
 
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Some interesting discussions here. Sadly, I don't speak the same language some of you do. I was a Lit/Journalism major and some of the words being used leave me behind. :help:
I do want to understand but prefer not to respond when I am not sure what is being said. Still, I want to learn more about the theory of evolution and about my faith.
I have also noticed some myths about the theory of evolution and about Christianity that come up often and have been spoken so many times in so many places that some of us can't let go of those.
There are things about my faith that I can be confident are true and others that are my choice to believe and nothing more.
 
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Nice post thanks. It is common for some of us Christ followers to use expressions like "We did not evolve from monkeys" I may be splitting hairs here but that is not what the theory of evolution teaches. I suggest that anyone who is interested in this subject read Darwin's "Origin of Species." Stay away from authors like Richard Dawkins who have an axe to grind and go to the source for the theory of evolution. If we have some knowledge of the theory we can talk to others about it in a meaningful way.
Some anti-theists and some Christians think that the theory is a challenge to the Bible and our faith in general. I don't see it that way. God gave us minds and curiosity and it is good for us to study this amazing universe He created. I believe that as we keep searching and finding answers that the Bible will be shown to be accurate. I am not worried. God is the creator of everything and I worship Him not science or my intellect (Ha!).
I believe we teach the theory of evolution in our secular schools because that is the best explanation for creation that science has right now. If a teacher is saying we evolved from monkeys (which I doubt) that teacher is not qualified to teach the theory of evolution and should be fired or re-trained.
Those who oppose our faith in our amazing loving Father will always come up with new things to argue and debate about. That doesn't mean that all researchers and people who are studying these things are against God. Science is not necessarily anti-God and I don't believe God is anti-science. It is what some people try to do with the few things (very few) that we do know that can be a problem.
We can also count it a blessing if we are ridiculed because we believe in the Bible.

"Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the son of man."
Luke 6:22
I would suggest one modification in your otherwise excellent post. Reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species is a sound idea for anyone interested in the history of evolution (and should be mandatory for all biologists), but it is not a sound introduction to evolution as it is understood today. For those willing to invest the time I would thoroughly recommend this one:

Evolution: The First Four Billion Years M.Ruse & J.Travis editors. Belknap Press of Harvard University Press 2009. ISBN:978-0-674-03175-3

It is almost 1,000 pages, but this is made up of fifteen or sixteen articles dealing with major aspects of evolution (e.g. Evolution of the Genome, Adaptation, Human Evolution) that occupy about half the book. The remainder are a series of shorter articles dealing with a wide range of specifics. The beauty of this approach is that one can dip into the book at points that catch your interest and find a reasonably self contained explanation of the article's subject, or you can work through the whole thing systematically and emerge with a very sound understanding - and one that is much more current than could possibly be obtained by reading Darwin's work.
 
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Darwin theorized that apes, monkeys and humans must have a common ancestor because of the similarities between us. Make of this what you will but those who study his theory don't believe he is saying we evolved from apes or monkeys.
What we say is that humans and, say, chimpanzees descend from a common ancestor -- which was an extinct ape. And that humans and monkeys descend from a common ancestor -- which we would call a monkey if we saw it alive.
 
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I would suggest one modification in your otherwise excellent post. Reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species is a sound idea for anyone interested in the history of evolution (and should be mandatory for all biologists), but it is not a sound introduction to evolution as it is understood today. For those willing to invest the time I would thoroughly recommend this one:

Evolution: The First Four Billion Years M.Ruse & J.Travis editors. Belknap Press of Harvard University Press 2009. ISBN:978-0-674-03175-3

It is almost 1,000 pages, but this is made up of fifteen or sixteen articles dealing with major aspects of evolution (e.g. Evolution of the Genome, Adaptation, Human Evolution) that occupy about half the book. The remainder are a series of shorter articles dealing with a wide range of specifics. The beauty of this approach is that one can dip into the book at points that catch your interest and find a reasonably self contained explanation of the article's subject, or you can work through the whole thing systematically and emerge with a very sound understanding - and one that is much more current than could possibly be obtained by reading Darwin's work.
Thanks for the reference @Ophiolite. I will look for that book at Thriftbooks.com and my local library.
 
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Thanks for the reference @Ophiolite. I will look for that book at Thriftbooks.com and my local library.
Check with your wife.

Knowing Mrs. Columbo, she probably already read it!
 
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What we say is that humans and, say, chimpanzees descend from a common ancestor -- which was an extinct ape. And that humans and monkeys descend from a common ancestor -- which we would call a monkey if we saw it alive.
Thanks @sfs for the reasonable well thought out response. As for me, I am not sure if I would call our common ancestor (if we have one) a monkey of I saw it. When I look at guesses some researches have made on the fleshed out appearance of some very old fossils they look not quite like an ape but not quite like a human either.
 
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Why is "additional" DNA required?!

Why can't nature supply it?!

What does "nature itself cannot add the additional Dna required" even mean?!

You must be able to explain these assertions! Use science!
The Dna is encoded into the creature, in order to have dogs give birth to puppies, and not cats...
To change from one species into another, the Dna MUST be changed, and we can do that in the Lab now, but cannot happen out in nature!
So if you want a species change, must have outside force, we call Him God!
 
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A large halsatilotour overate and consequently expelled a volume of expectation into a dimensionally limited latent cornucopia.

False, since our Cosmos began millions of years BEFORE the event you speak of, happened. It was more than 9 Billion years after the BB before our Solar system formed and the present Earth appeared.

This proved a fertile event and the universe expanded from there.

The first big Stars exploded and scattered matter throughout the universe. Is that what you are trying to say?

All the gods were unavailable at the time as it was spring break.

Are you a comedian or what?
 
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Having a vision is a very subjective thing that cannot be verified objectively. It could be in a dream it could be a sunstroke induced hallucination. Is it a supernatural event? Nobody can say with any certainty.

Amen, but I can believe the words of the Holy Spirit, the Author of all Scripture and He tells us Saul's "vision" was more than a vision or dream since you don't wake up blind. Amen?
 
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What we say is that humans and, say, chimpanzees descend from a common ancestor -- which was an extinct ape. And that humans and monkeys descend from a common ancestor -- which we would call a monkey if we saw it alive.

False, since Humans (descendants of Adam) had an older common ancestor and his name was Adam. He was formed from the dust BEFORE the beginning of our Cosmos at the end of the 3rd Day. Genesis 2:4 We know it was late on the 3rd Day/Age because it was less than a billion years when the Stars lit up on the 4th Day/Age. Genesis 1:16 Beware the satanic lies preached by many devotees of evolution.
 
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To change from one species into another, the Dna MUST be changed,

Don't you know that it's okay for evolutionists to play Trump and tell unsupportable lies? The problem with believing in mindless Nature putting the superior intelligence of God Genesis 3:22 into Humans is the biggest satanic lie ever told. You did not descend from the common ancestor of Apes, but from Adam, the first Human. It came by inheritance and not some magical evolutionary event which can NEVER be repeated according to evolutionists, themselves. It's the ONLY way to change the DNA. Amen?
 
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I would suggest one modification in your otherwise excellent post. Reading Darwin's On the Origin of Species is a sound idea for anyone interested in the history of evolution (and should be mandatory for all biologists), but it is not a sound introduction to evolution as it is understood today. For those willing to invest the time I would thoroughly recommend this one:

Evolution: The First Four Billion Years M.Ruse & J.Travis editors. Belknap Press of Harvard University Press 2009. ISBN:978-0-674-03175-3

It is almost 1,000 pages, but this is made up of fifteen or sixteen articles dealing with major aspects of evolution (e.g. Evolution of the Genome, Adaptation, Human Evolution) that occupy about half the book. The remainder are a series of shorter articles dealing with a wide range of specifics. The beauty of this approach is that one can dip into the book at points that catch your interest and find a reasonably self contained explanation of the article's subject, or you can work through the whole thing systematically and emerge with a very sound understanding - and one that is much more current than could possibly be obtained by reading Darwin's work.
So basically everything taught before is no longer valid. Science progresses and replaces erroneous thinking with updated data? Correct??
 
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They are are written down by either a direct eyewitness to the person and words and works of Jesus, or someone
No, none of the Gospels are eyewitness accounts. And there is no indication that any of them are from "direct eyewitnesses". In fact the dates that they were written make such claims very dubious. Mark, the earliest of Gospels was written more than 30 years after the event. Matthew and Luke at least ten years later and John even later than that.

But again, this is off topic. Any more errors about the Gospels or attempts to shoehorn them in will be responded to with an "Off Topic. When people go off topic it is usually because they were wrong about the original argument." Let's try to keep this focused on why evolution is taught in our schools and creationism is not.
 
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Darwinism Must Die So That Evolution May Live
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By CARL SAFINA

"You care for nothing but shooting, dogs and rat-catching," Robert Darwin told his son, "and you will be a disgrace to yourself and all your family." Yet the feckless boy is everywhere. Charles Darwin gets so much credit, we can’t distinguish evolution from him. Equating evolution with Charles Darwin ignores 150 years of discoveries, including most of what scientists understand about evolution. Such as: Gregor Mendel’s patterns of heredity (which gave Darwin’s idea of natural selection a mechanism — genetics — by which it could work); the discovery of DNA (which gave genetics a mechanism and lets us see evolutionary lineages); developmental biology (which gives DNA a mechanism); studies documenting evolution in nature (which converted the hypothetical to observable fact); evolution’s role in medicine and disease (bringing immediate relevance to the topic); and more. By propounding "Darwinism," even scientists and science writers perpetuate an impression that evolution is about one man, one book, one "theory." The ninth-century Buddhist master Lin Chi said, "If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him." The point is that making a master teacher into a sacred fetish misses the essence of his teaching. So let us now kill Darwin.

That all life is related by common ancestry, and that populations change form over time, are the broad strokes and fine brushwork of evolution. But Darwin was late to the party. His grandfather, and others, believed new species evolved. Farmers and fanciers continually created new plant and animal varieties by selecting who survived to breed, thus handing Charles Darwin an idea. All Darwin perceived was that selection must work in nature, too. In 1859, Darwin’s perception and evidence became "On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or The Preservation of Favored Races in the Struggle for Life." Few realize he published 8 books before and 10 books after "Origin." He wrote seminal books on orchids, insects, barnacles and corals. He figured out how atolls form, and why they’re tropical. Credit Darwin’s towering genius. No mind ran so freely, so widely or so freshly over the hills and vales of existence. But there’s a limit to how much credit is reasonable. Parking evolution with Charles Darwin overlooks the limits of his time and all subsequent progress.

Science was primitive in Darwin’s day. Ships had no engines. Not until 1842, six years after Darwin’s Beagle voyage, did Richard Owen coin the term "dinosaur." Darwin was an adult before scientists began debating whether germs caused disease and whether physicians should clean their instruments. In 1850s London, John Snow fought cholera unaware that bacteria caused it. Not until 1857 did Johann Carl Fuhlrott and Hermann Schaaffhausen announce that unusual bones from the Neander Valley in Germany were perhaps remains of a very old human race. In 1860 Louis Pasteur performed experiments that eventually disproved "spontaneous generation," the idea that life continually arose from nonliving things. Science has marched on. But evolution can seem uniquely stuck on its founder. We don’t call astronomy Copernicism, nor gravity Newtonism. "Darwinism" implies an ideology adhering to one man’s dictates, like Marxism. And "isms" (capitalism, Catholicism, racism) are not science. "Darwinism" implies that biological scientists "believe in" Darwin’s "theory." It’s as if, since 1860, scientists have just ditto-headed Darwin rather than challenging and testing his ideas, or adding vast new knowledge.

Using phrases like "Darwinian selection" or "Darwinian evolution" implies there must be another kind of evolution at work, a process that can be described with another adjective. For instance, "Newtonian physics" distinguishes the mechanical physics Newton explored from subatomic quantum physics. So "Darwinian evolution" raises a question: What’s the other evolution? Into the breach: intelligent design. I am not quite saying Darwinism gave rise to creationism, though the "isms" imply equivalence. But the term "Darwinian" built a stage upon which "intelligent" could share the spotlight.

Charles Darwin didn’t invent a belief system. He had an idea, not an ideology. The idea spawned a discipline, not disciples. He spent 20-plus years amassing and assessing the evidence and implications of similar, yet differing, creatures separated in time (fossils) or in space (islands). That’s science. That’s why Darwin must go.

Almost everything we understand about evolution came after Darwin, not from him. He knew nothing of heredity or genetics, both crucial to evolution. Evolution wasn’t even Darwin’s idea. Darwin’s grandfather Erasmus believed life evolved from a single ancestor. "Shall we conjecture that one and the same kind of living filaments is and has been the cause of all organic life?" he wrote in "Zoonomia" in 1794. He just couldn’t figure out how. Charles Darwin was after the how. Thinking about farmers’ selective breeding, considering the high mortality of seeds and wild animals, he surmised that natural conditions acted as a filter determining which individuals survived to breed more individuals like themselves. He called this filter "natural selection." What Darwin had to say about evolution basically begins and ends right there. Darwin took the tiniest step beyond common knowledge. Yet because he perceived — correctly — a mechanism by which life diversifies, his insight packed sweeping power.

But he wasn’t alone. Darwin had been incubating his thesis for two decades when Alfred Russel Wallace wrote to him from Southeast Asia, independently outlining the same idea. Fearing a scoop, Darwin’s colleagues arranged a public presentation crediting both men. It was an idea whose time had come, with or without Darwin. Darwin penned the magnum opus. Yet there were weaknesses. Individual variation underpinned the idea, but what created variants? Worse, people thought traits of both parents blended in the offspring, so wouldn’t a successful trait be diluted out of existence in a few generations? Because Darwin and colleagues were ignorant of genes and the mechanics of inheritance, they couldn’t fully understand evolution.

Gregor Mendel, an Austrian monk, discovered that in pea plants inheritance of individual traits followed patterns. Superiors burned his papers posthumously in 1884. Not until Mendel’s rediscovered "genetics" met Darwin’s natural selection in the "modern synthesis" of the 1920s did science take a giant step toward understanding evolutionary mechanics. Rosalind Franklin, James Watson and Francis Crick bestowed the next leap: DNA, the structure and mechanism of variation and inheritance.

Darwin’s intellect, humility ("It is always advisable to perceive clearly our ignorance") and prescience astonish more as scientists clarify, in detail he never imagined, how much he got right. But our understanding of how life works since Darwin won’t swim in the public pool of ideas until we kill the cult of Darwinism. Only when we fully acknowledge the subsequent century and a half of value added can we really appreciate both Darwin’s genius and the fact that evolution is life’s driving force, with or without Darwin.
 
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