Yes he was anti-semetic in his laters years, how bout you? Still he risked his life to challenge the church. Your bias is breath taking. You claim Martin Luther was my "buddy"? I never mentioned him before you made that claim. Out of thin air....So is Christianity's history, so what's your point?
In fact, Martin Luther, your ol' Reformation buddy? He was a rabid anti-semite whose works were widely publicized throughout Hitler's Nazi Germany.
Grasping at air...Partially because Christian nations were threatening to conquer their countries.
Oh ya, I remember seeing that. I also remember it being an outright ban on Sharia Law, with no provocation and no proposed Sharia to block. It wasn't shot down because people are "trying to implant Sharia." It was shot down because it was an obvious waste of everybody's time. You don't need a law banning Sharia from courts when the 1st Amendment already does that.
(*See above reply to your comprehension of the Oklahoma article*)And I"m not going to take your word for another culture's laws when you don't even seem to understand your own. The only ones claiming there's no difference between moderates and extremists are, ironically, the fundamentalists who have a very similar worldview from a different perspective.
Wow, way not to read the article.
What was shot down was the attempt to block a law that passed giving permission/right for Sharia court to convene in Oklahoma!
(*See above reply to your comprehension of the Oklahoma article*)
The appellate court opinion pointed out that proponents of the law admitted to not knowing of a single instance in which an Oklahoma court applied sharia law or the legal precepts of other countries.
"This serves as a reminder that these anti-sharia laws are unconstitutional and that if politicians use fear-mongering and bigotry, the courts won't allow it to last for long," said Muneer Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Oklahoma. Awad sued to block the law, contending that it infringed on his 1st Amendment rights.
...and all Christian terrorists are Christian. All Jewish terrorists are Jewish. All Hindi terrorists are Hindi.
Is it obvious how silly that statement is yet?
Great, thanks for contributing.People should fear anyone who is totally fundamentally inured to their religion. IMO someone who believes, who actually believes that the Earth is really 6000 years old is just as frightening and just as dangerous as someone who would fly an airplane into a building.
TScott said:People should fear anyone who is totally fundamentally inured to their religion. IMO someone who believes, who actually believes that the Earth is really 6000 years old is just as frightening and just as dangerous as someone who would fly an airplane into a building.
(I've just had a quick skim through the thread so my apologies if I've missed anything or these points have been made already)
Christianity and Islam have a long and acrimonious history. As I mentioned above, the Crusades were response to Islamic armies invading Judeo-Christian territory, and recent events such as 9/11 have made it come out into the open again.
1. Islam rose through military conquest, spreading through the land which was Holy to both Christians and Jews. By contrast, Christianity was illegal for the first 300 years and many Christians were killed for their faith.By the way SmellsLikeCurlyFries, I think this is the video you're looking for:
See BBC - Religions - Islam: Early rise of Islam (632-700).
2. Muslim scholarship was at it's height during the Medieval period, and exchanged many of their ideas with European Christians. Around the 10th century however, Ash'arite philosophy began to take hold - a philosophy which claimed that "To search for ends and reasons in His laws is not only meaningless but also grave disobedience to Him." This resulted in the gradual loss of any kind of science and theology in Islam until it became the mess it is today.
See "The Closing of the Muslim Mind"
3. Slavery - The Arab slave trade took roughly the same number of black slaves as the American slave trade did (roughly 11-12 million) and a smaller number of white Christian slaves (roughly 1.25 million).
See BBC.co.uk - British slavery on the Barbary coast
SURPRISE! Dick Cheney Admits Osama Bin Laden Wasn't Directly Involved In 9 11 - YouTube
(I've just had a quick skim through the thread so my apologies if I've missed anything or these points have been made already)
Christianity and Islam have a long and acrimonious history. As I mentioned above, the Crusades were response to Islamic armies invading Judeo-Christian territory, and recent events such as 9/11 have made it come out into the open again.
1. Islam rose through military conquest, spreading through the land which was Holy to both Christians and Jews. By contrast, Christianity was illegal for the first 300 years and many Christians were killed for their faith.By the way SmellsLikeCurlyFries, I think this is the video you're looking for:
9snip)
2. Muslim scholarship was at it's height during the Medieval period, and exchanged many of their ideas with European Christians. Around the 10th century however, Ash'arite philosophy began to take hold - a philosophy which claimed that "To search for ends and reasons in His laws is not only meaningless but also grave disobedience to Him." This resulted in the gradual loss of any kind of science and theology in Islam until it became the mess it is today.
See "The Closing of the Muslim Mind"
3. Slavery - The Arab slave trade took roughly the same number of black slaves as the American slave trade did (roughly 11-12 million) and a smaller number of white Christian slaves (roughly 1.25 million).
See BBC.co.uk - British slavery on the Barbary coast
SURPRISE! Dick Cheney Admits Osama Bin Laden Wasn't Directly Involved In 9 11 - YouTube
Just checked the article, and it's exactly what I was talking about. Heck, the court to shoot it down even cited the same lack of any Sharia law attempts to outlaw, and took it a step farther to call out the fear mongering that would lead to such a waste of time.
And I quote:
You said...
...I also remember it being an outright ban on Sharia Law, with no provocation and no proposed Sharia to block. It wasn't shot down because people are "trying to implant Sharia." It was shot down because it was an obvious waste of everybody's time. You don't need a law banning Sharia from courts when the 1st Amendment already does that...
Yes, exactly.TScott said:We all know that the Mastermind behind the attacks was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. We also know that he was the second most important member of Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda folks! Geeze what is with you guys! I mean this is like saying Hitler wasn't responsible for the death camps, it was all Eichman!
Ohhhhkay.
Wow! I mean really. The spin you tried to put on your own words written moments between each other, failed.
Islamic Sharia Law to Be Banned in, ah, Oklahoma(i.e. the "Save our State" amendment)
Oklahoma is poised to become the first state in the nation to ban state judges from relying on Islamic law known as Sharia when deciding cases.
The ban is a cornerstone of a "Save our State" amendment to the Oklahoma constitution that was recently approved by the Legislature.
The amendment -- which also would forbid judges from using international laws as a basis for decisions -- will now be put before Oklahoma's voters in November. Approval is expected.
Court: Oklahoma Ban On Islamic Law Unconstitutional
OKLAHOMA CITY A proposed constitutional amendment that would ban Oklahoma courts from considering international or Islamic law discriminates against religions, and a Muslim community leader has the right to challenge its constitutionality, a federal appeals court said Tuesday.
The court in Denver upheld U.S. District Judge Vicki Miles-LaGrange's order blocking implementation of the amendment shortly after it was approved by 70 percent of Oklahoma voters in November 2010.
Yes he was anti-semetic in his laters years, how bout you? Still he risked his life to challenge the church. Your bias is breath taking. You claim Martin Luther was my "buddy"? I never mentioned him before you made that claim. Out of thin air....
By the way SmellsLikeCurlyFries, I think this is the video you're looking for:
SURPRISE! Dick Cheney Admits Osama Bin Laden Wasn't Directly Involved In 9 11 - YouTube
The Bush administration was going to go to their grave minimizing Bin Laden's involvement...We all know that the Mastermind behind the attacks was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.
Some are afraid, some are concerned, and some want to use religious bigotry or ethnic prejudices to make light of real danger, and some like the U.S. State Department make a list.Why is everybody so afraid of Islam/Muslims?
Seriously. I never understood it myself.
You're proof of how there is no rational reason to fear Islam is to point the finger at Christians, while ignoring the proof of why Islam is something to fear. I cannot take you seriously if you don't address the scripture that promotes, and lines up with the actions of Islam all around the world.
Sounds like we should fear religion in general, and not any religion in particular... No one is portraying any religion in a particularly good light...
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