Why is everybody so afraid of Islam/Muslims?

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Eh. Some people can't think through their fear to decipher the difference between the radicals and the sane members of the Muslim community. Or their radical themselves and just hate everybody who thinks differently.

One of my best friends growing up was a Muslim. She was also the nicest person you could meet and her family constantly came out against terrorism in the papers and showed people that the terrorists take the Qu'ran out of context.

Even now, her older brother is going through a Muslim college in Saudi Arabia and taking the fight against terrorism over there.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Ah, the "Let's bring Christianity into a talk about ISLAMIC violence". Not a very solid argument. "Officer, everyone else was speeding too!" would not get you out of a ticket, so why do you suppose that bringing in Christian history makes Islamic history okay?

1) Because the Islamic history wasn't all that bad
2) Because Christian history was the terrible one
3) Because I made the thread and I can bring whatever I want into it?

 

[Touma]

One of my best friends growing up was a Muslim. She was also the nicest person you could meet and her family constantly came out against terrorism in the papers and showed people that the terrorists take the Qu'ran out of context.

Even now, her older brother is going through a Muslim college in Saudi Arabia and taking the fight against terrorism over there.

There is also a huge difference between West and East. I have a "friend" story as well. I know a Muslimah who refuses to marry muslim men because they are "crazy, abusive, sick in the head"

This woman has been a Muslim all her life, and is almost out the door with Islam, because of how so many Muslims act. She dealt with crap DAILY from other Muslims, who happened to come from Eastern cultures.

Many eastern Muslims don't consider Western Muslims to be true Muslims, and they border on shirk.

 

[Touma]

1) Because the Islamic history wasn't all that bad
2) Because Christian history was the terrible one
3) Because I made the thread and I can bring whatever I want into it?

Selective reading of history I guess.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

There is also a huge difference between West and East. I have a "friend" story as well. I know a Muslimah who refuses to marry muslim men because they are "crazy, abusive, sick in the head"

This woman has been a Muslim all her life, and is almost out the door with Islam, because of how so many Muslims act. She dealt with crap DAILY from other Muslims, who happened to come from Eastern cultures.

Many eastern Muslims don't consider Western Muslims to be true Muslims, and they border on shirk.

It's also the other way around. There are plenty of peaceful eastern Muslims. I linked to an article from ISRAEL'S national news source, the Fox News of Israel, that highlighted a Muslim cleric in Turkey that personally came out against terrorism and the Palestinian Authority.

You'll find that the numbers are actually similar in the rest of the world.

 

[Wayte]

One of my best friends growing up was a Muslim. She was also the nicest person you could meet and her family constantly came out against terrorism in the papers and showed people that the terrorists take the Qu'ran out of context.

Even now, her older brother is going through a Muslim college in Saudi Arabia and taking the fight against terrorism over there.

I was actually just talkin to a buddy of mine who was over there with the National Guard. The way he describes it, alot of the Muslims over there can't read; the Taliban leader of choice tells them what's in the book, with obvious modifications.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Selective reading of history I guess.

You may have that option but I'm studying to teach history. I can't afford to read it selectively. So from an objective reading of history...yeah, it was the Christian armies that were the terrible ones and they left the countries they conquered in horrid squalor and idiocy. The Muslim armies were civilised by Muhammad's own orders and ushered in such a Golden Age that the Renaissance would have been completely unnecessary had the Islamic Golden Age continued.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

I was actually just talkin to a buddy of mine who was over there with the National Guard. The way he describes it, alot of the Muslims over there can't read; the Taliban leader of choice tells them what's in the book, with obvious modifications.

Right, which is precisely what happened to Christianity back in the day (but everyone forgets). These governments run by radicals are deliberately keeping the people from knowledge in order to spread their misinterpretations of the Qu'ran.

But the U.S. doesn't recognize that and just wants to make war on the world's two billion Muslims, instead of distinguishing between the small minority of radicals and the vast majority of non-radicals, and that's exactly why most of the world hates this country.

 

[Wayte]

Right, which is precisely what happened to Christianity back in the day (but everyone forgets). These governments run by radicals are deliberately keeping the people from knowledge in order to spread their misinterpretations of the Qu'ran.

But the U.S. doesn't recognize that and just wants to make war on the world's two billion Muslims, instead of distinguishing between the small minority of radicals and the vast majority of non-radicals, and that's exactly why most of the world hates this country.

i'm glad you brought up the whole dark ages thing, because I couldn't find a way to without it bein obviously shoehorned.

 

[Prayer Circle]

Seriously. I never understood it myself.

I don't see it as a matter of fear. I see it as a matter of being fully aware that Islam, which translates to "submission" and as such precludes it being a religion of peace, requires Muslims to give their life to God and the faith, so that Allah may do with their life as he wills.

And in that regard the whack jobs who commit to the struggle (Jihad) against everyone in the world who are not Muslim, and the values that do not comport with ultra-right wing conservatism, are seen as not only Infidels but the cause for that struggle. Necessitating that 16th century values remain constant no matter how many centuries come after.

Consequently, Fatwah and other compulsions to murder and self-murder, make for a very dangerous element amid the Muslim community due to the compulsion afforded the letter of the law in the Islamic faith.
There is not even peace within the Muslim community, given the tenets afforded by Sharia law. So how can anyone, knowing a father is granted permission by God to behead his daughter because she's too fond of western values, accept the propaganda propagated by the press that Islam is a religion of peace?
Not to mention researching the history of the Islamic wars, proves there is nothing peaceful about Islam. It was born in war, if one accepts Muhammad's tale of how he became it's prophet.


When Muslim women will strap themselves with explosives, when they'll happily include their babies on their hip, as that innocent victim they carry with them toward a check point, and detonate away their lives believing the act kills Infidels and assures them Heaven, there's a problem.

It's not fear of Islam.
It's awareness that the faith inspires murderers who believe their demented terroristic aggression is requisite so that the one and only God, Allah, who requires human intercession in order to bring order to his created Earth, gains supremacy.

It's awareness that a movement is gaining ground in America, using our own 1st amendment as a catapult, to enable Sharia law to be practiced in courts in America.
That "honor killing" does happen here, but because of the non-pc profile that would afford the Muslim murderers who are charged afterward, those killings aren't registered on the books as "honor killing".

It's wise to be aware that the terrorism that resides within Islam, and affects Muslims, and the holy book that gives that license, also describes how the Infidel community should be judged and treated under Islamic law.

Maybe it shouldn't be a question of why is "everybody" afraid of Islam, when everybody is not.
Rather, it might be worthy of asking why Islam fears Infidels. And thinks slaughtering them will help assuage that.

 

[Wayte]

It's awareness that a movement is gaining ground in America, using our own 1st amendment as a catapult, to enable Sharia law to be practiced in courts in America.

I get the feeling you don't know how the first ammendment actually works. Because that's the opposite of what it does. "Separation of church and state" means just that, separation. That means any church.

 

[Prayer Circle]

I'm well aware of how the 1st amendment works, thank you.

 

[conamer]

Oh, you mean like the unjust murder of Osama bin Laden without a trial, where American Christians not only danced in the streets, but praised the idea that he was burning in hell?

Or how Christians have justified the new Crusade on the Middle East with the Bible, allowing and praising the murder of innocent men, women, and children?



Coming from a Christian, that's rich. American Christians are the most intolerant people on the planet.

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Are you just TRYING to be a hypocrite now? That article said things that were FAR tamer than what Christians (and you yourself, from the Anoka High thread) in the U.S. say and do. Heck, Santorum's even compared homosexuality in this country and the fight for equality to the War on Terror and 9/11 and has frightfully agreed with those that want to execute homosexuals.



For this standard are we ignoring:

1) Christianity's same record of conquest, and

2) The fact that the Islamic caliphates covered the countries they conquered in schools, libraries, and the most comprehensive system of social welfare on the planet, and

3) The fact that Muhammad himself gave the Muslim armies rules for war like not torturing your enemies, not harming innocent men, women, and children, not destroying the land, the livestock, or the water sources, all of which led to the Muslim armies during that period being considered one of the most humane armies in human history?

By the way, did I mention that Pat Robertson committed a Nazi method in calling non-Christians "termites" (dehumanizing) and suggesting that we ought to "fumigate" (kill) them? Or that he said someone needs to set off a nuke in Foggy Bottom?

Sounds pretty terrorist to me.

You're proof of how there is no rational reason to fear Islam is to point the finger at Christians, while ignoring the proof of why Islam is something to fear. I cannot take you seriously if you don't address the scripture that promotes, and lines up with the actions of Islam all around the world.

You started a thread on Islam/Muslims, care to stick to it?

Muhammad's rules for jihad were whatever advances Islam is permissable; looting, murder, rape, slavery, coveting, anger, molestation, lying, blaspheming, bribery, assasination for insults or mockery and a host of "revelations" that benefitted him primarily.

Muslims had to reject the 1,600 year record that God delivered through all His prophets and witnesses, that his people followed for 3,500 years, to follow Muhammad's stand alone 23 year, 7th century, "religion". They followed him for no other reason than because he said so and that they were largely illiterate and liked the idea of getting booty from other conqured peoples.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

You're proof of how there is no rational reason to fear Islam is to point the finger at Christians, while ignoring the proof of why Islam is something to fear. I cannot take you seriously if you don't address the scripture that promotes, and lines up with the actions of Islam all around the world.

No, I'll address those...but only when you supply them. I'm not doing your homework for you.

You started a thread on Islam/Muslims, care to stick to it?

I am, I'm just keeping it balanced and kicking the hypocrisy out.

Muhammad's rules for jihad were whatever advances Islam is permissable; looting, murder, rape, slavery, coveting, anger, molestation, lying, blaspheming, bribery, assasination for insults or mockery and a host of "revelations" that benefitted him primarily.

Care to prove that with writings from the Qu'ran from unbiased sources? 'Cause that same guy helped make the Muslim armies during the Medieval days one of the most humane armies in human history.

Muslims had to reject the 1,600 year record that God delivered through all His prophets and witnesses, that his people followed for 3,500 years, to follow Muhammad's stand alone 23 year, 7th century, "religion". They followed him for no other reason than because he said so and that they were largely illiterate and liked the idea of getting booty from other conqured peoples.

Ironically, Medieval Christians did the same thing. So let's get to the REAL reason conamer doesn't like Islam, shall we?

It it because the fact that Islam is poised to overtake Christianity for "biggest and fastest growing religion", and you (like most American Christians) feel threatened that you will lose your position of power?

 

[Wayte]

I'm well aware of how the 1st amendment works, thank you.

Then how can you possibly say that it's being used to implant Sharia law into our courts? I mean, even if somebody was trying, it's not a credible threat, it'll very obviously be shot down.

 

[conamer]

1) Because the Islamic history wasn't all that bad
2) Because Christian history was the terrible one
3) Because I made the thread and I can bring whatever I want into it?

History of Jihad against the Arabs (622-634 C.E. 1-12 A.H.)

Only about 170 million dead since Muhammad was poisoned.They only conqured most of the known world in 100 years.

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

Then how can you possibly say that it's being used to implant Sharia law into our courts? I mean, even if somebody was trying, it's not a credible threat, it'll very obviously be shot down.

Not to mention that other than a couple scattered news stories there's no evidence of some massive Muslim conspiracy to make the U.S. Muhammad's (so I don't get banned, female dog).

There is, however, overwhelming evidence that Christians are trying to make this country 100% Christian ruled, which is backed up by the fact that you almost never see a mosque but see Christian churches on every street corner.

Heck, here in Tennessee there are literally whole streets that are almost full of churches, one after the other.

 

[Wayte]

Not to mention that other than a couple scattered news stories there's no evidence of some massive Muslim conspiracy to make the U.S. Muhammad's (so I don't get banned, female dog).

There is, however, overwhelming evidence that Christians are trying to make this country 100% Christian ruled, which is backed up by the fact that you almost never see a mosque but see Christian churches on every street corner.

Heck, here in Tennessee there are literally whole streets that are almost full of churches, one after the other.

What? No, of course not. They're just, uh....voting with their conscience, ya. That's a string of nice sounding words we can use. certainly better than "legislating our personal beliefs."

 

[SmellsLikeCurlyFries]

History of Jihad against the Arabs (622-634 C.E. 1-12 A.H.)

Only about 170 million dead since Muhammad was poisoned.They only conqured most of the known world in 100 years.

And proceeded to fill every country they conquered chock full of schools, libraries, and the most comprehensive system of social welfare on the planet.

http://insct.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/...Enein.Zuhur.Islamic Rulings on Warfare(1).pdf

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

God's rule: government and Islam - Patricia Crone - Google Books

 

[Wayte]

And proceeded to fill every country they conquered chock full of schools, libraries, and the most comprehensive system of social welfare on the planet.

http://insct.syr.edu/uploadedFiles/...Enein.Zuhur.Islamic Rulings on Warfare(1).pdf

Islamic military jurisprudence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

God's rule: government and Islam - Patricia Crone - Google Books

Didn't math get a kickstart in the Muslim areas of the world back then? I know it was that general area of the world, at least.