Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (5)

[justlookinla]

Anyone got anything new to say?

 

[Davian]

Not being significant doesn't mean we have to be nihilists though. We can forge our own paths, decide what is important to us, rather than having some outside force do it for us.

 

[lasthero]

Anyone got anything new to say?

That was so ironic it actually caused me physical pain.

 

[justlookinla]

That was so ironic it actually caused me physical pain.

Take two aspirin and post in the morning.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Anyone got anything new to say?

Sure, if you ask new questions, you'll get novel answers

 

[justlookinla]

Sure, if you ask new questions, you'll get novel answers

True. The questions from everyone are the same.

 

[PsychoSarah]

True. The questions from everyone are the same.

Yeah, they get repeated a whole lot.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

I recognize this, I was just adding my two cents to the conversation. Btw, ironic username for an atheist.

Sorry I have to change my username . I stopped complaining and just decided to accept my atheist a few days ago. Technically I have been a Symbolic Theist(Atheist) for like a year.

Also I find it ironic you have the name of a Greek Goddess on our avatar. Seems that irony is abundant amongst us infidels today

 

[PsychoSarah]

Sorry I have to change my username . I stopped complaining and just decided to accept my atheist a few days ago. Technically I have been a Symbolic Theist(Atheist) for like a year.

Also I find it ironic you have the name of a Greek Goddess on our avatar. Seems that irony is abundant amongst us infidels today

Oh, so a Christian atheist (follow the teachings, don't believe in the miracles or gods)?

 

[justlookinla]

Would a Christian atheist embrace this prayer of Jesus.....

Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
Joh 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
Joh 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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[EnemyOfReason]

Oh, so a Christian atheist (follow the teachings, don't believe in the miracles or gods)?

Um no. I do not even find the teachings of Jesus anything new. I am on the opposite foot and am a Satanist. I find it odd that you think I am(or was) a Christian Atheist really. The vast majority of Satanists are atheists and after arguing theology so many times I just realized I do not really believe in anything supernatural. It just add weight to the title.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Would a Christian atheist embrace this prayer of Jesus.....

Joh 17:1 Jesus spoke these things; and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, "Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You,
Joh 17:2 even as You gave Him authority over all flesh, that to all whom You have given Him, He may give eternal life.
Joh 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.
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How on earth can a person be an atheist and a Christian? That makes no sense

 

[Kylie]

Could be, many theists have that view. The fact is that Darwinist creationism is the only creationist view allowed in schools.

You seem to be grossly misinformed about what evolution is.

The variety and complexity of life certainly suggests there's more to humanity being a result of entirely naturalistic forces acting on a single life form from long long ago.

Why?

Darwinist creationism creates life forms from almost nothing. Some suggest that the earliest life form was the result of various chemical reactions and this initial life form was a microscopic life form. From this almost nothing beginning, Darwinist creationism teaches that humanity is one of the results of entirely, completely, solely naturalistic processes acting upon that initial life form.

*sigh* I think we need to go right back to the very beginning. Do you know what an enzyme is?

 

[Kylie]

Nope. Not only is there no contradiction there, but nobody is pretending they can explain it.

First of all, contradiction?

Secondly, we can explain gravity. Gravity is caused by masses distorting spacetime. Einstein proved it ages ago.

 

[Kylie]

Now you're being reasonable. Wouldn't that make this whole section go poof! and disappear?

Probably. lol

Although you can also think of it as gravity being the hand of God, establishing everything, maintaining all things by the Word of His Power. A guy I think was pretty bright said that if you took all the physical laws of the Universe, you would have God.

God showed me that He constantly corrects stars, and gave me a sense of their vastness. Kinda humbling. Then He compared that to my reluctance to His correction. VERY humbling

You ever hear about the problem at the toothpaste factory? They had two machines. One machine would fold the boxes to package the tubes of toothpaste. And the other machine would put the tubes into the boxes.

Unfortunately, the machine that put the tubes into the little individual boxes didn't always work right, and occasionally, a box would go through and not get a tube of toothpaste put in. So, of course, they were shipping empty boxes, which were sold, and customers started to complain.

So the company hired a bunch of guys to check each box with a sophisticated weighing mechanism, so that no underweight boxes got through. And for a while it worked, even though it was expensive to run the equipment and pay the people who were operating it and removing the empty boxes.

But after a while, they noticed that the empty boxes stopped coming through. Every single box had a tube of toothpaste in it long before it got to the weighing station. Curious, the factory foreman went back up the production line. What he found was a guy who had put a cheap little desk fan next to the conveyor belt after the machine that put the tubes into the boxes.

"What's this?" asked the foreman.

"Well," said the guy, "I heard we were having some trouble with some boxes coming out empty. So I put this fan here so it would blow the empty boxes off the conveyor belt and into the bin there. The boxes with the toothpaste in them are too heavy, and they stay on the belt, but the empty ones are all removed."

So, you can see that a solution which involves setting up a simple process is ALWAYS going to be a better solution than one which requires constant work and attention.

So why do you think God would ignore a perfectly workable simple solution in favour of one where he has to constantly intervene?

Or even that that is His creativity, on display. The early pioneering scientists thought in these terms. I have no idea how things are done there, but in the States it was made a point that teachers could not say anything like this, quite a while ago. And now we have all this blowback. There's a connection ...

Given that it's quite readily explainable and always operates to the natural laws we've figured out, wouldn't that mean God's creativity is just a paint by numbers thing?

Taught correctly this would remove a great deal of the blowback. Instead, people see they don't have nearly all the answers they claim to, and hence the objections.

I agree. Teaching people the truth about evolution reduces the number of people objecting to it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Um no. I do not even find the teachings of Jesus anything new. I am on the opposite foot and am a Satanist. I find it odd that you think I am(or was) a Christian Atheist really. The vast majority of Satanists are atheists and after arguing theology so many times I just realized I do not really believe in anything supernatural. It just add weight to the title.

What? -_- if you worship satan, that would be considered the worship of a deity, wouldn't it? Wouldn't the belief in satan render the atheist label non applicable? Unless you worship it without believing it exists.

 

[PsychoSarah]

How on earth can a person be an atheist and a Christian? That makes no sense

A Christian atheist is a person who follows the teachings of the bible, but doesn't believe god actually exists nor do they believe the miracles to be real.

 

[justlookinla]

A Christian atheist is a person who follows the teachings of the bible, but doesn't believe god actually exists nor do they believe the miracles to be real.

I don't think you're a Christian atheist, so you many not be able to answer this, but why would anyone value the bible enough to follow it's teaching, believe it enough to view it as truth, but not accept there's a deity, a higher power?

 

[bhsmte]

A Christian atheist is a person who follows the teachings of the bible, but doesn't believe god actually exists nor do they believe the miracles to be real.

I think it is more like, they follow certain teachings of the bible, the one's they consider to be positive and they ignore everything else.

For one to follow "ALL" teachings of the bible, would require them to have multiple personalities.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I don't think you're a Christian atheist, so you many not be able to answer this, but why would anyone value the bible enough to follow it's teaching, believe it enough to view it as truth, but not accept there's a deity, a higher power?

I'm not a Christian atheist really, no, but I'd say it would be someone who views the whole bible as pure allegory, showing the growth of humanity from violent societies to greater acceptance of others, and driving people to spread such peace. Jesus in particular seems to be a character central to Christian atheists in terms of gaining wisdom from the bible.

I do however have some more conservative personal practices, such as I plan never to partake of alcohol, plan to remain abstinent until marriage. But to be frank this is just my personal choice, the bible didn't inspire it.