Why Is Darwinism So Dangerous? (5)

[DerelictJunction]

The creationist view that mankind was created only, completely, totally by naturalistic mechanisms disallows that 1) God made the first life form and 2) God makes the natural laws that allow evolution to occur. Collins disagrees with the view which eliminates, disallows, discards such inclusion in their creationist ideology.

Then you do want God to be mentioned when evolution is taught? Or..don't you? can't you make up your mind?

You stated that you disagree with the teaching that humanity developed through only naturalistic mechanisms from one life a long long time ago. The making of that life form and the making of the naturalistic mechanisms are not part of what you disagree with.

You aren't reading this from Collins' website, BioLogos......

"We at BioLogos believe that God used the process of evolution to create all the life on earth today. While we accept the science of evolution, we emphatically reject evolutionism. Evolutionism is the atheistic worldview that says life developed without God and without purpose. Instead, we agree with Christians who adhere to Intelligent Design and Creationism that the God of the Bible created the universe and all life. Christians disagree, however, on how God created. Young Earth Creationists believe that God created just 6,000 to 10,000 years ago and disagree with much of mainstream science. Supporters of Intelligent Design accept more of evolutionary science, but argue that some features of life are best explained by direct intervention by an intelligent agent rather than by God’s regular way of working through natural processes. We at BioLogos agree with the modern scientific consensus on the age of the earth and evolutionary development of all species, seeing these as descriptions of how God created. The term BioLogos comes from the Greek words bios (life) and logos (word), referring to the opening of the Gospel of John. “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made.”​

Do you recognize the creationist concept which is referred to as "evolutionism"? Do you recognize that Collins disagrees with the concept?

Do you recognize that they reject the intelligent design movement's claim that God had direct intervention in evolution's natural processes?
Did you recognize, through the magic of reading comprehension, that if they don't believe that God intervened in the evolutionary process then they do believe that humanity developed solely through naturalistic mechanism from a single life form that existed a long long time ago?

This was, by the way, your complaint with "Darwinism". Strangely, you don't have the same complaint about what is being taught with regards to the formation of stars.

 

[justlookinla]

Then you do want God to be mentioned when evolution is taught? Or..don't you? can't you make up your mind?

I want the view that humanity may, or may not be, the result of entirely naturalistic processes to be given equal time in the teaching of creationism in our schools.

You stated that you disagree with the teaching that humanity developed through only naturalistic mechanisms from one life a long long time ago. The making of that life form and the making of the naturalistic mechanisms are not part of what you disagree with.

I disagree with the teaching that humanity was created by only naturalistic processes from a single life from of long long ago.

Do you recognize that they reject the intelligent design movement's claim that God had direct intervention in evolution's natural processes?

Yes, I recognize that.

Did you recognize, through the magic of reading comprehension, that if they don't believe that God intervened in the evolutionary process then they do believe that humanity developed solely through naturalistic mechanism from a single life form that existed a long long time ago?

Are you having difficulty introducing theistic creationism into the concept of non-theistic creationism?

This was, by the way, your complaint with "Darwinism". Strangely, you don't have the same complaint about what is being taught with regards to the formation of stars.

The forum isn't about abiogenesis or the formation of stars.

 

[Davian]

Then you do want God to be mentioned when evolution is taught? Or..don't you? can't you make up your mind?

You stated that you disagree with the teaching that humanity developed through only naturalistic mechanisms from one life a long long time ago. The making of that life form and the making of the naturalistic mechanisms are not part of what you disagree with.


Do you recognize that they reject the intelligent design movement's claim that God had direct intervention in evolution's natural processes?
Did you recognize, through the magic of reading comprehension, that if they don't believe that God intervened in the evolutionary process then they do believe that humanity developed solely through naturalistic mechanism from a single life form that existed a long long time ago?

This was, by the way, your complaint with "Darwinism". Strangely, you don't have the same complaint about what is being taught with regards to the formation of stars.

Because stars are not special, like humans are. Or something.

 

[Davian]

No, I don't claim that all antheists are anti-theists, but anti-theism is common within the atheist philosophy.

If I tell you how you think, and I am wrong, I am still wrong?

Do you think apatheistic atheists are going to take the time to come here and respond to you?

 

[biggles53]

Only in your mind, which is where it is needed most.

Mate, as I've mentioned elsewhere, you'll never change the minds of people like him. No amount of evidence will do it. Because, contrary to the demands they continually make, they aren't interested in seeing any evidence...Theirs is a cry from the emotions, not from the intellect. They have cemented a view of the world into their psyche that they will not permit to be erased...

The good news is that they are rapidly dwindling in number... and they are fortunately being replaced by generations of younger people who take a more mature, realistic view of the world...

You just have to wait for them to die out.....won't be long...

 

[Paul of Eugene OR]

Would you be presenting the view that humanity is the result of solely, completely, totally naturalistic processes. Would you teach that natural processes are capable, and is the only valid explanation, of the creation of humanity from a single life form from long long ago?

As a believer myself, I would point out that in science we don't look at the supernatural, but many religions teach that God underlies all natural activity.

 

[bhsmte]

No, I don't claim that all antheists are anti-theists, but anti-theism is common within the atheist philosophy.

Some are some aren't, just like some believers are anti science.

So how do you determine whether someone is an anti theist? What is your criteria?

 

[bhsmte]

Mate, as I've mentioned elsewhere, you'll never change the minds of people like him. No amount of evidence will do it. Because, contrary to the demands they continually make, they aren't interested in seeing any evidence...Theirs is a cry from the emotions, not from the intellect. They have cemented a view of the world into their psyche that they will not permit to be erased...

The good news is that they are rapidly dwindling in number... and they are fortunately being replaced by generations of younger people who take a more mature, realistic view of the world...

You just have to wait for them to die out.....won't be long...

Trust me, I knew that after about his 3rd post on this board, the behaviors are quite tell tale and very predictable.

I just play along for the entertainment value.

 

[biggles53]

Trust me, I knew that after about his 3rd post on this board, the behaviors are quite tell tale and very predictable.

I just play along for the entertainment value.

Fair enough....and there's also the value of what you have to say that can benefit the 'lurkers'.....

You know, I wonder if, when Copernicus and Galileo were presenting their compelling evidence of a heliocentric solar system, that there were similar groups of people who simply flatly refused to consider that evidence...that they just ignored it and clung onto their religious-directed view that the earth was the centre of all.....I can imagine that there probably were such people....

And what was the result...? Those people eventually died and were gradually replaced by those more enlightened, so that now we are in a position to regard such antiquated beliefs as belonging to the lunatic fringe...

Creationism will go the same way....

 

[PsychoSarah]

No, I don't claim that all antheists are anti-theists, but anti-theism is common within the atheist philosophy.

Well, seeing as an antitheist literally is a person who hates the practice of religion and belief in deities, it wouldn't make much sense for one to be religious and an antitheist.

 

[bhsmte]

Fair enough....and there's also the value of what you have to say that can benefit the 'lurkers'.....

You know, I wonder if, when Copernicus and Galileo were presenting their compelling evidence of a heliocentric solar system, that there were similar groups of people who simply flatly refused to consider that evidence...that they just ignored it and clung onto their religious-directed view that the earth was the centre of all.....I can imagine that there probably were such people....

And what was the result...? Those people eventually died and were gradually replaced by those more enlightened, so that now we are in a position to regard such antiquated beliefs as belonging to the lunatic fringe...

Creationism will go the same way....

You will always have people who refute reality and boatloads of evidence, no matter what the topic.

When it comes to a God, it just gets a little more intense, because you are dealing with circumventing a potential specific belief (usually the fundies) and that is like taking away a kids lollipop.

Psychologically, there will always be people who fall into this category.

 

[biggles53]

You will always have people who refute reality and boatloads of evidence, no matter what the topic.

When it comes to a God, it just gets a little more intense, because you are dealing with circumventing a potential specific belief (usually the fundies) and that is like taking away a kids lollipop.

Psychologically, there will always be people who fall into this category.

Agreed...

 

[Davian]

I want the view that humanity may, or may not be, the result of entirely naturalistic processes to be given equal time in the teaching of creationism in our schools.

In science class? What would a course syllabus look like for that?

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Well, Darwinism along with evolution teaches truth which is something the religious mind does not like

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well, Darwinism along with evolution teaches truth which is something the religious mind does not like

Evolution proposes the most well supported mechanism for how the variety of life we see today came to be. No scientific theory really deals in absolutes. There is always room for improvement.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Evolution proposes the most well supported mechanism for how the variety of life we see today came to be. No scientific theory really deals in absolutes. There is always room for improvement.

The issue is that a couple billion religious minds cannot have their way . People desire to have a world that submits to themselves and their world view. This is all that religion does. When people find out that they are not special and rather worthless when compared to the cosmos they will not be able to handle it.

 

[Davian]

I don't have to go to a faith healer, I know the healer personally. You aren't going to believe this and will probably respond with ridicule, but I'm here typing this today because of the healer that I have a relationship with.

Now, let the mockery proceed.

If you are happy with going to a... practitioner whose track record is not demonstrably better than chance, so be it.

 

[PsychoSarah]

The issue is that a couple billion religious minds cannot have their way . People desire to have a world that submits to themselves and their world view. This is all that religion does. When people find out that they are not special and rather worthless when compared to the cosmos they will not be able to handle it.

Not being significant doesn't mean we have to be nihilists though. We can forge our own paths, decide what is important to us, rather than having some outside force do it for us.

 

[EnemyOfReason]

Not being significant doesn't mean we have to be nihilists though. We can forge our own paths, decide what is important to us, rather than having some outside force do it for us.

I never endorsed nihilism. Religious individuals believe that the cosmos is specially designed for them. I am not negating purpose in one's life I an negating anthropocentrism.

 

[PsychoSarah]

I never endorsed nihilism. Religious individuals believe that the cosmos is specially designed for them. I am not negating purpose in one's life I an negating anthropocentrism.

I recognize this, I was just adding my two cents to the conversation. Btw, ironic username for an atheist.