Why I keep the Sabbath

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2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

You do realize that when Paul penned these famous verses, he was referring to the Torah, right?
The Bible as Christians know it did not exist yet.

I think some folks overlook that fact.

Yes that is understood. Your argument is used to nullify the NT as Scripture so it can be bypassed.

That is not the end of your argument.

You further state the NC only includes Israeli. This is contrary to the testimony found in Acts. It has been point out to you Jeremiah does not include the contents of the NC other than My Law. The My law isn't the same covenant (10Cs) you insist. The NC is not an addition to the OC, it is a total replacement.

 

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Do you think that the Sabbath was for Israel only? There are some OT passages that say this.

That is what Moses and the prophets say. Argue with them.

However, the one and only reference to the New Covenant, found in Jeremiah, starts out the same way:

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

So we see that the New Covenant, like the Ten Commandments, like the Sabbath day, is really only for Israel.

Then Gentiles can not be saved. We're really wasting our time believing in God. Oh wait up a minute. You hold to an unscriptural view that Christians are Israel or become Israeli. I see how you can come to your conclusion based on delusion.

So, if you believe that the Sabbath doesn't pertain to you, because you have scripture that says it was given to Israel, then here is Scripture that also says that the New Covenant doesn't pertain to you either.

Then it is impossible for either of us to apply either covenant unless one subscribes to the OC becoming as one born in the land. There is no such requirement to be found in the NT.

Perhaps you're missing something?

No. You are adding material not found in the Scripture.

 

[Angelquill]

Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers

Much has been made of those three little words "Not according to". I think that some are missing the actual meaning here. "Not according to" here would mean "not administered in the same way".
To understand this, one would have to read the 7th chapter of Hebrews in its entirety...not just take a verse or two out of context, as some do.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

 

[Angelquill]

So we see that "not according to" has absolutely not one thing to do with whether there will or will not be ordinances in this New Covenant...but only speaks of how these laws are to be administered.

 

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Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers

Much has been made of those three little words "Not according to". I think that some are missing the actual meaning here. "Not according to" here would mean "not administered in the same way".
To understand this, one would have to read the 7th chapter of Hebrews in its entirety...not just take a verse or two out of context, as some do.

Heb 7:1 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
Heb 7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
Heb 7:3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
Heb 7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
Heb 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
Heb 7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
Heb 7:7 And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
Heb 7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
Heb 7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
Heb 7:10 For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
Heb 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14 For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17 For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20 And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21 (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23 And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24 But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27 Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28 For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

You quote the whole chapter trying to prove the law has not been changed. You even draw attention to the verse that says the law has been changed.

Not according to is not specific nor limited to administration. A sect of the Pharisees were told no.

 

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So we see that "not according to" has absolutely not one thing to do with whether there will or will not be ordinances in this New Covenant...but only speaks of how these laws are to be administered.

There are ordinances in the NT not found in the OT under the law. The NT is not an addition nor and amendment to the OT.

 

[Angelquill]

I'm only trying to point people in the right direction.

False doctrines are made all the time...this is why we have some 33,000 different denominations. To our everlasting shame, we have chopped the body of Christ into thousands of tiny pieces.
The way this is done is classic. It is done by taking verses out of their surrounding context, putting one's own spin on them, and counting heavily on the target audience not to read or study on their own.
The "teacher" gives these verses, and the "students" eagerly write them down, and a new doctrine is born.
Then, just sit back and watch it grow.
Today, we have churches that are so dedicated to this idea that Christians are "free from the law" that they cheerfully ordain gay pastors, just as a for instance, because, after all, we are "under grace". And so, we have the blind leading the blind...
Is it not enough that we've sat back and allowed God to be taken from our children?
Must we now also take the law from them as well?
When we see lawlessness abounding and love growing cold, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

 

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I'm only trying to point people in the right direction.

False doctrines are made all the time...this is why we have some 33,000 different denominations. To our everlasting shame, we have chopped the body of Christ into thousands of tiny pieces.
The way this is done is classic. It is done by taking verses out of their surrounding context, putting one's own spin on them, and counting heavily on the target audience not to read or study on their own.
The "teacher" gives these verses, and the "students" eagerly write them down, and a new doctrine is born.
Then, just sit back and watch it grow.
Today, we have churches that are so dedicated to this idea that Christians are "free from the law" that they cheerfully ordain gay pastors, just as a for instance, because, after all, we are "under grace". And so, we have the blind leading the blind...
Is it not enough that we've sat back and allowed God to be taken from our children?
Must we now also take the law from them as well?
When we see lawlessness abounding and love growing cold, we have no one to blame but ourselves.

I see false doctrine being promoted here with a specific slant. If it is believed and applied it will destroy and send people to hell. It has already done so to many. This false teaching will not allow my participation at church. Its called being divisive and gets one effectively disfellowshiped for not going along with this unchallenged false doctrine. I think Paul calls it fables.

Essentially what I read above is being done by you. Now I did not say you are in favor of ordaining gay people as ministers and representatives of God. Neither am I nor are my buddies (those hold basically the same defendable beliefs). This thread is not about sin. Well you are saying not keeping the Sabbath is sin. Why condemn yourself? You do not have authority to amend or replace what was written by the finger of God. God does and did.

 

[Angelquill]

The only authority being claimed here is the authority of the One Who taught us to pray:

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

 

[Angelquill]

No one has said that the New Covenant does not also administer grace.
Whence cometh this idea that those who advocate living under God's Holy Laws somehow means that we also deny His precious grace?

 

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The only authority being claimed here is the authority of the One Who taught us to pray:

Mat 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
Mat 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
Mat 6:11 Give us this day our daily bread.
Mat 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
Mat 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

And just where does that authority tell us to teach the law as a requirement for salvation?

 

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No one has said that the New Covenant does not also administer grace.
Whence cometh this idea that those who advocate living under God's Holy Laws somehow means that we also deny His precious grace?

Please excuse me if I said somewhere the NC does not administer grace. The OC does not administer mercy by grace through the law. The NC does not administer nor require the keeping of the law by any one in the NT except those subverting (subverters) souls.

 

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Cribstyl]

Originally Posted by Ubuntu

@Cribstyl


Hi there!

Thanks for your kind welcome!

Good, then we have something we can agree about, that's a good start!

You disagree with me that the Sabbath was instituted as a universal day of rest, yet Genesis 2:3 we read that “God blessed the seventh day and made it holy”. My question is then if you can agree with me that the seventh day has been blessed and made holy from creation onwards? And a more fundamental question, what does it mean when it is written that the Sabbath was blessed, a holy day?
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By adding a dot and leaving out: "because in it He rested from all His work." from the rest of the sentence. You're covering up the answer to your question.


Gen 2:1
¶Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. Gen 2:2
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

What we should apply to wisdom from Gen 2:1-3 is; All God's works in creating the worlds was finished in 6 days. And God rested on the seventh day from all His work. Your answer in Gen 2:3 reinforces the reason why God blessed and sanctified that day because He had rested.

Truth is, the 14th, 21st, 28th days are not said to be blessed and sanctified because each of the 3 verses claim that God's works was finished is 6days thus he rested from all His work.

(1 point at a time is sufficient to discuss separately . I will respond to the rest of your post later)

 

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I have to wonder.
If we are "not under the law" does that mean that we can lie, steal, disrespect our parents, commit adultery, murder, covet things that don't belong to us?
Does it mean that we can put other gods above our God, or create idols to worship, or take His name in vain?

If you say "no" you admit that you are "under the law". Doesn't matter what title you give to your law, it is still "the law" and you are still answerable to it.
If you say "yes (and there are Christians who will say "yes" here)...well, that is a different situation entirely.

So...how sayest thou?

 

[Angelquill]

"Truth is, the 14th, 21st, 28th days are not said to be blessed and sanctified because each of the 3 verses claim that God's works was finished is 6days thus he rested from all His work."

How many days are there in a week, d'ya think?
I've never seen a calendar with more than seven.

 

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Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

What's your point? I see you have emphasized v 21. Why? Is someone here not doing God's will? Or could it be something else. There's plenty reason to be suspicious.

You do include v21 for some reason. Aren't you really implying some here are working iniquity.

What in your post relates to the topic?

Excuse but you whole post seems to be off topic and a manipulation attempt to conform others to your view point.

 

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I have to wonder.

That I doubt very much considering your post.

If we are "not under the law" does that mean that we can lie, steal, disrespect our parents, commit adultery, murder, covet things that don't belong to us?
Does it mean that we can put other gods above our God, or create idols to worship, or take His name in vain?

Why are you trying to get someone to say we can do those things? Do you really mean sin is OK since we're not under the law? Remember sin was before the law and the reason it was given. This is true in most all cases of new laws.

If you say "no" you admit that you are "under the law". Doesn't matter what title you give to your law, it is still "the law" and you are still answerable to it.
If you say "yes (and there are Christians who will say "yes" here)...well, that is a different situation entirely.

Thanks for putting the required answer in our mouths. Not doing those things doesn't by any stretch of the imagination mean one is under the law. The Christian isn't answerable to the law. We have a new covenant we answer to. That NC isn't based on the law. Its based on better promises. The covenant you wish us to obligate ourselves to is an obligatory covenant. The NC we're under is non obligatory. Its an unconditional promise not based on our actions. Christian behavior would be another whole topic.

So...how sayest thou?[/QUOTE]

 

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"Truth is, the 14th, 21st, 28th days are not said to be blessed and sanctified because each of the 3 verses claim that God's works was finished is 6days thus he rested from all His work."

How many days are there in a week, d'ya think?
I've never seen a calendar with more than seven.

Which days are the Sabbath during the month? I think the Sabbath is the blessed day if what I read here in these forums is correct.

 

[Cribstyl]

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"Truth is, the 14th, 21st, 28th days are not said to be blessed and sanctified because each of the 3 verses claim that God's works was finished is 6days thus he rested from all His work."

How many days are there in a week, d'ya think?
I've never seen a calendar with more than seven.

My point is: God finishes all His work and rested in 1 week. Genesis is not talking about other days or weeks, years.........
If God finished all His work in 6 days what can we say happen the second week? We don't know
The scriptures in Gen1-2:3 writes about 7 days in all. The 4th commandment revisits the fact that God finished all His works in 6days and rested on the 7th day of creation.

Not one hint about other days of God working and resting. Dialog about man working or resting adds words to the bible.
Exo 20:11
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:
wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed

The word "wherefore" means "this is why".
So, God rested the seventh day of creation and blessed and made the seventh day Holy. This is why the Sabbath day is also blessed and made holy.

The answer to why the seventh day was blessed is because God rested.

The scriptures does not say that the seventh day was made for man. It says that the Sabbath was made for man. Scriptures does not say that God rested on the Sabbath. It say that God rested on the seventh day.

People need to stop lying on God and man.