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Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus — The Smackdown...

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by Michie, Jan 12, 2012.

  1. WarriorAngel

    WarriorAngel I close my eyes and see you smile Supporter

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    My daughter posted this for me in FB. I told her later that if anyone loves Jesus - then they would know they take His religion with Him...because He instituted religion.

    And no where else can we get the Eucharist....which is His covenant for us.
     
  2. Fantine

    Fantine Dona Quixote Supporter

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    Wouldn't it be nice if the blogger just appreciated the videographer's love for Jesus without composing a whole treatise about why the videographer is wrong?

    Maybe, in the present moment, the videographer is doing what's right for him, just as the blogger is doing what's right for him.

    Most people go through lots of stages in their lives--some of you have related yours. It's a part of their spiritual journey.

    This is where he is right now. And the more Bible thumpers that start quoting verses to him, the less likely he is ever to move from that place.

    When people move spiritually, it's not because they're pushed by Bible thumpers. It's because they're moved within their hearts.

    And if organized religion is what alienated the videographer, it's unlikely that movement of the heart will be initiated by apologists for organized religion.

    If I met him, I would judge his faith by his works. If he knows Jesus, it will shine through everything he does. He may know Jesus better than some regular churchgoers.
     
  3. benedictaoo

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    yep ^ fantine.
     
  4. simonpeter

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    I don't blame him. In my experience, religious people (in general, not just Christians) are mean and nasty, with absolutely no consideration for fellow human beings. No wonder people continue to avoid religious ppl/institutions even after they've developed an interest in the theology.
     
  5. benedictaoo

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    :thumbsup:
     
  6. whitetiger1

    whitetiger1 Well-Known Member

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  7. stone

    stone Senior Contributor Supporter

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    He says he's not being judgemental?

    Without the church Jesus' teachings would not survive. It would be like the Protestant churches and their chaos that goes with their own translation . No religion leads to unpredictable stuff like nontrinitarians. Anti -christ?
     
  8. FullyMT

    FullyMT Veni Sancte Spiritus

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    The problem is that the person in the OP vid is using incredibly strong language to say that organized religion is against Christ. Not only that, but most adolescents and young adults hear this and thing "now I have a good reason to not go to church on Sunday!" Isolation and one-on-one relationship with God is not what faith in Jesus is all about. Yes, it is a part, but we are meant to be in community and religion helps with that. The video is not going to be helping young post-moderns stay in the Church.
     
  9. tadoflamb

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    Building churches but not feeding the poor?

    Where has this guy been?
     
  10. princess_ballet

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    Don't make excuses for him. Sure, he looks like a sweet young guy that's just learning about this faith and trying to figure things out... but that isn't the case.

    This is a very concentrated effort by a subsection of Protestants that hates any type of organized church. They put out videos and sermons and all sorts of "hip" things to convince young people that church isn't necessary for them, rather they need to just have some type of personal experience with God and make up your own rules. Oh, and while you're at it, bring 5 more people to my church and let's get them contributing.

    When I was in high school I was surrounded by these people. Yes, I ended up going to their youth group (because we didn't have one) and a couple actual church events. They lure you in with this stuff because, to them, Catholics aren't Christian. And they want you to join their church and be saved.

    My dad has a friend even today that tries this stuff. "Oh, just come to our Thanksgiving church dinner. It'll be nice." He knows very well we have our own church, but he doesn't believe in that type of thing. He wants us to come to HIS church so we can be "saved" and everything will be all better.

    They aren't just sharing their relationship with Jesus. They're attacking our church. They're attacking our faith. They don't think we're really Christians.

    So, don't make excuses for him. Because the more excuses we allow and the more we keep quiet, the more of our teens and young adults will be pulled into these ridiculous groups (which aren't religion?) of "you come up with the rules and you figure out what you think is good." That's dangerous.
     
  11. Fantine

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    From my own experience as a parent, I think that most kids see through the pizza parties, rock bands, video arcades, etc. that fundamentalist churches sponsor to bring kids to Jesus.

    I don't think kids want to be bribed to love Jesus.

    I think that they even hungry, poor kids look at the evangelicals and think, "Are you making me dinner on Wednesday night because I'm hungry and it's the right thing to do, or are you just doing it because you want me to come to Bible Study? (And if you just want me to come to Bible Study, how come you don't make me dinner on other nights?)"

    And then, in the other corner, you have Catholicism, where, if someone is considering Baptism, they have to attend a year of classes, and sign promises and papers. And work with a sponsor.

    I do believe that faith communities play a big role in people's relationships with God, and belonging to the right faith community is a good thing.

    It's silly for churches to compete for members--or knock other churches down and recruit their members. There is a vast mission field of perhaps 4 billion people on earth that aren't Christian--no need to compete.

    I know a wonderful young college student, a devout Baptist. He recently went on a mission trip to Haiti--which, according to Wikipedia, is 82-85% Catholic.

    So why in the world did he go down there? To rebuild houses? To rebuild schools? To bring supplies and medicines? Heck, no! He went down there to convert them!

    He didn't even spend too much time doing anything to help the people physically. He talked to children about Jesus and helped at revivals.

    The sad thing is, if he didn't think these people needed his kind of Jesus, his group wouldn't have even bothered going...

    I can't wrap my brain around it--why a Baptist youth group would go down to an overwhelmingly Catholic country in desperate, desperate, desperate, desperate physical need and try to sell their brand of Jesus to them!

    They didn't need Jesus. They have Jesus. They need: 1) shelter 2) clothing 3) food 4) medicine 5) roads 6) bridges. They don't need the Baptist Jesus when they have the Catholic Jesus.
     
  12. WarriorAngel

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    Listening to the newest fadders.

    Its the newest thing - dont go to church - stay home and occasionally read the Bible for yourself.

    You know it exists... we both been in GT.
    And part of their argument is just that.

    Meantime, biggest charitable organization that exists is the Catholic Church.
    However; maybe it is good it is a secret - because then we know they dont do it for show. :hug:
     
  13. WarriorAngel

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    I am not a betting person, but the fact so many Christians [Copts, Catholic, Eo's] are being killed with frequency, it might deter the Evangelicals

    It is easier to go after the complacent Catholics.

    It is much easier to after Catholics...than uncivilized parts of the world
     
  14. whitetiger1

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  15. Cosmic Charlie

    Cosmic Charlie The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated

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    This is an old 80's Moral Majority thing.

    "I don't have a religion, I have a relationship" (In your heard imagine that being said with a high, annoying tone of voice because that's the way I'd say it)

    It was annoying and condescending then its worse now.

    Get a better sales pitch







    Get a better line of
     
  16. Colin

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  17. MrStain

    MrStain Nobody likes to be the Newbie

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  18. JimR-OCDS

    JimR-OCDS God Cannot Be Grasped, Except Through Love

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    That was from the movie, Sergeant York, which is a classic.


    I read an article about the movie and the real Sergeant Calvin York. He in fact worked as an advisor on the movie, to be sure that the faith message was in the forefront.


    Although there are some parts that are fiction, in order to provide drama, for the most part it is accurate.

    I have that movie in my collection.

    Jim
     
  19. princess_ballet

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    Apparently our little religion hating friend has more videos (surprise, surprise) out. They're starting to go around Facebook now. Look out everyone....
     
  20. OuterWater

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    During the four years when I was earning my bachelor's in religious studies, I focused on one overall question. "What is religion?" I still do not have a solid answer that covers all ends, but after 4 years, the best definition I could come up with is "The way that human beings respond to and/or interact with that which they believe to be sacred."

    The guy in the video strikes me as (forgive me) a whiny tool. I can't stand the "religion is evil but God is good" movement because it is completely flawed in its definition of religion.
     
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