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Choice only exists if it's possible to select different options. Is it possible for me to pick a different choice than what God has already seen I WILL pick?
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You showed that they won't make a different choice, but you haven't shown why the person isn't making a choice.
The "illusion" part is just your opinion.
Christianity was also predicted:Even better. The CMBR was preditcted before it was observed by George Gamow. He even calculated a value for it very close to the measured value (calculated 5K, observed 2.7K)
Christianity was also predicted:
"For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything He tells you.'" - Acts 3:22.
Christianity was also predicted:
"For Moses said, 'The Lord your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything He tells you.'" - Acts 3:22.
And how convenient that that prediction was writen after the facts...How precise.
Is it possible for an Omniscient God to see all possible choices?Choice only exists if it's possible to select different options. Is it possible for me to pick a different choice than what God has already seen I WILL pick?
And how convenient that that prediction was writen after the facts...
You showed that they won't make a different choice, but you haven't shown why the person isn't making a choice.
The "illusion" part is just your opinion.
"can't make a different choice" is your opinion, not mine.If one can't make a different choice, how is that choice?
That's your opinion, not mine.Chopice means there are multiple options, but if God knows I will choose one option and only that one option, then I can't choose a different option, hence there is no choice involved.
An Omniscient God knowing the choice we will make does not mean we cannot make a different choice. It means the Omniscient God knows all the possible choices we can make.It may seem to me that I am making a choice, but ultimately I could not have made any other choice. That's the illusion of choice.
That's your opinion."can't make a different choice" is your opinion, not mine.
That's your opinion, not mine.
An Omniscient God knowing the choice we will make does not mean we cannot make a different choice. It means the Omniscient God knows all the possible choices we can make.
You're not logically drawing this out. If a god exists, and he created us, and he knows what choices we'll make, ... then we don't have a choice, do we?"can't make a different choice" is your opinion, not mine.
That's your opinion, not mine.
An Omniscient God knowing the choice we will make does not mean we cannot make a different choice. It means the Omniscient God knows all the possible choices we can make.
Sure you do. Choose what to do. No one is making you choose otherwise. It is obviously your choice.You're not logically drawing this out. If a god exists, and he created us, and he knows what choices we'll make, ... then we don't have a choice, do we?
Put another way, no matter what we choose, god knows we'll choose it, because he created us.
If you can't see this, then well. Carry on.
That's my point. You seem to have missed this too.Sure you do. Choose what to do. No one is making you choose otherwise. It is obviously your choice.
Nope.That's my point. You seem to have missed this too.
I don't believe in a supernatural creator being. People of faith do. This who business of "free choice" is nothing but. You believe that a supernatural being created you, and that he knows what it is that you will choose, that is to say, he created you knowing what it is you will choose. This is anything but "free." It is an ad hoc illusory concept that people of faith need to justify their belief construct. Nothing more.
If one can't make a different choice, how is that choice? Chopice means there are multiple options, but if God knows I will choose one option and only that one option.
Is knowledge the antithesis of freewill? I trow not.You're not logically drawing this out. If a god exists, and he created us, and he knows what choices we'll make, ... then we don't have a choice, do we?
Put another way, no matter what we choose, god knows we'll choose it, because he created us.
If you can't see this, then well. Carry on.
Is it possible for an Omniscient God to see all possible choices?
That's just it, you don't know. How could you possible know, beyond a shadow of a doubt he'll take it? You can't. It's impossible to know his choice beforehand. Obviously, you have a relationship with your son, and you assume he will take the brownie. I don't know your son, but I would assume he'd take the brownie. Kids love sweets! You're simply playing the odds. Closer to your analogy would be: set two brand new dollar bills side by side, tell him he can choose just one, which one does he take? This is a little harder to predict, and impossible to know.God knows, doesn't force.
If my 9 year old son asks for a snack and I put on the table a brownie and a plate of spinach and give him the choice between the two, I know he'll choose the brownie, doesn't mean he doesn't have the choice.
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