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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by mindlight, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. claninja

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    This doesn't address my question. Which part of post 322 was focused on Titus.
     
  2. parousia70

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    1. When was/is sin eliminated?
    2. When was/is the sinner eliminated?
    Never. Unrepentant sinners will suffer in the Lake of Fire, IN THEIR SIN, Forever. The Unrepentant will NEVER share in Christ's victory over Sin and Death. for them it will NEVER be "eliminated", nor will they. - I'm surprised you seem to expect the unrepentant will one day be free from sin.

    3. When was/is death eliminated?
    For the Unrepentant, Never: Death and Sinners continue to Exist on the New earth (Isaiah 65, Revelation 22)

    For the Believer, upon belief:
    John 11:25-26
    25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. 26 And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
    (you don't believe this?)

    4. When was/is corruption eliminated?
    Never. Corrupt Sinners, Dogs, Liars, Fornicators continue to exist on the new earth (Isaiah 65, Revelation 22)

    5. When was/is Satan eliminated?
    Never: Satan Suffers Consciously in the LoF FOREVER. He is never EXTINGUISHED

    6. When was/is marriage eliminated?
    When You Physically Die and Live in heaven Forever, there is no marriage there.

    7. When was/is perfect righteousness introduced?
    At the First Advent

    8. When was/is peace and perfection finally introduced?
    At the First Advent

    9. When was/is incorruption introduced
    At the First Advent

    10.Are we still living in an "evil age" or not?
    The New Covenant Age, inaugurated by Jesus Christ, where Righteous, Peace and Joy in the Holy Spirit Reside, is NOT a EVIL age. It never ceases to amaze me how many Christians assert their lord Jesus Christ Inaugurated an age of "Evil" at His first Advent. Preposterous.

    11.When does crying stop?
    We will never be prevented from Crying tears of Joy. And today God wipes away all the tears of those who belong to Him...(does He not wipe away your tears now?)
    the unrepentant will NEVER share in that victory.

    12.When does pain stop?
    The first advent.
    Pain is powerless today to prevent anyone form God's Blessing and Comfort.
    Such was not the case in OT times..

    13.When does sorrow stop?
    See 12

    14.When is the curse lifted?
    See 12

    15.When was/is all rule, authority and power finally put down?
    The first Advent. As the apostolic testimony bears out, The Life, Death and Resurrection Of Jesus Christ FULLY accomplished this:
    John 12:31
    Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.

    1 John 3:8
    For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Hebrews 2:14
    Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same;
    that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil.

    Colossians 2:15
    And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

    Matthew 12:28-29
    If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you...how can anyone enter the strong man's house and carry off his property, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. (Jesus here claims to have bound satan and plundered his house)

    2 Timothy 1:10
    But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel

    John 16:8,11
    And when [the Holy Spirit] is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:...of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged

    Acts 26:17-18
    To the nations I now send you to open their eyes to turn them from darkness to light and from the power of satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and inheritance among them who are sanctified by faith that is in me.
     
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  3. Copperhead

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    Many do!
     
  4. Copperhead

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    I don't necessarily dismiss writings outside of scripture, especially if the canon of scripture references those additional writings like jasper, Enoch, Law of the Kings, etc. Many of which have some interesting prophetic insights. They are not the status of the canon of scripture, but they can lend insight.

    We wouldn't even know the names of the priests of Pharaoh that Moses confronted if Paul didn't let us know in his second letter to Timothy. So that came from writings outside of scripture.
     
  5. Copperhead

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    Didn't wipe out the Essenes. Didn't wipe out the Galileans. Both of which were unique groups with non Judeaic theology and cultural norms. Even when Peter dealing with the cock crowing 3 times even when Jesus was on trial and Peter denied Jesus, those around him recognized him as a Galilean and not a Judean.

    The Essenes were among the major 3 sects of Judaism. Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes. The Essenes were not some hippy commune hiding out in the wilderness. They had a presence throughout Israel. The fact they are not really mentioned in the NT, is that they are the closest aligned with 1st century Christianity than the other two groups. The Pharisees and Sadducees were in constant conflict with Yeshua, so their reference comes up more often. John the Baptist and even Yeshua were very familiar with the Essenes.

    And Even Josephus mentions the Essenes in 75AD, 94AD, and 97AD. Pliny the Elder even discussed them and their geographic location up to his death in 79AD.

    And it was not a rabbi or two that established the Council of Yavne, the Sanhedrin was moved at the destruction of Jerusalem to Yavne and the Sanhedrin was composed of both Saducees and Pharisees. It was there clear up thru the Bar Kochba rebellion of 135AD.
     
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  6. throughfireytrial

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    Well, that adds very little to salvation...knowing the names of the Pharaohs Moses confronted that is. Wondering if you also read some tainted script to tarnish your good thinking.
    I read that Jasper and Enoch have been very corrupted. At this point I have not been moved to search this out.
     
  7. Copperhead

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    As if many translations of the canon are not without problems also. There is always a debate that goes on regarding the received text vs the majority text.

    it has nothing to do with adding anything to salvation. If one thinks that something can or needs to be added to the plain simple Gospel, then they have another Gospel.

    But these other texts can add insight to doctrinal issues, especially eschatology or historicity.
     
  8. throughfireytrial

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    I am interested in the Textus Receptus vs the Alexandrian MSS. Why I thought to read I and II Clement...they were originally included among the Alexandrian MSS. I cannot adequately express my thoughts on my extra-biblical readings, however, it was disappointing to find that all (which is little) tends to prove of little note other than to give insight of what was going on during the times of the writings.
    The Bible on the other hand shows something new and deeper each time we read and therefore does not disappoint.
     
  9. throughfireytrial

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    Anyone know which of the Apostolic father's wrote some on the topic of the nicolatans and their corrupt practices?
     
  10. Erik Nelson

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    well, Epiphanius does seem to describe the Essenes in the fourth century.

    Essenes - Wikipedia

    the fact does remain the only people who survived were those who fled Jerusalem in accordance with Jesus's command. Essentially all of those who stayed in the city or killed or captured.
     
  11. summerville

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    Scofield's theology has done a lot of damage.
     
  12. summerville

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    EPIPHANIUS - JewishEncyclopedia.com
    www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5819-epiphanius
    Epiphanius
    is supposed to have been born of Jewish parents and to have embraced Christianity in his sixteenth year. A legend asserts that, before his conversion, Epiphanius was adopted by a rich Jew named Tryphon, who died soon afterward, leaving his fortune to Epiphanius.
     
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  13. sovereigngrace

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    Full Preterism is NOT allowed on this forum!

    It is heretical!
     
  14. Erik Nelson

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    is that really what he is espousing?

    he doesn't believe final judgement of revelation 20:10 has already occurred?
     
  15. DavidPT

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    Isn't parousia70 Catholic? Is there even such a thing as a Catholic that is a full Preterist? Aren't all Catholics Amils like you are?
     
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  16. parousia70

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    Indeed. I am a partial Preterist.
    A Strong Partial preterist, for certian.. Some would even call me an Extreme partial preterist... I can't disagree..

    But I am a PARTIAL preterist.
    And a Catholic.
    I believe as the Creed States:
    "He shall come again in glory to Judge the Living and the dead and His Kingdom will have no end.... I look for the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come, amen."

    If anyone believes any view I espouse on this forum is a View EXCLUSIVE to Full preterism, I will happily point them to any number of Published, scholarly partial preterists who espouse the same view as I.

    All Bible eschatology (like ALL of the Bible itself) had PRIMARY application to the original Audience, yet serves as a dim view of the final consummation testified in the creeds. The time and details of which have not been revealed to men. (Deuteronomy 29:29)

    See noted Catholic Partial Preterist Theologins such as Dr Scott Hahn and James Aiken... the escahtologic views I hold most closely resemble theirs from a Catholic Perspective.
     
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  17. sovereigngrace

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    Then, please outline all the beliefs that you disagree with Full Preterism?
     
  18. The Boxer

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    This is a cop out answer. Jesus said that he would return in his own generation.
     
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  19. Tom 1

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    In a radioactive crater?
     
  20. parousia70

    parousia70 Livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    I would, but then wouldn’t that be considered a “discussion of full Preterism” which is a rule violation?
    Happy to discuss with you over PM if you are truly interested.
     
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