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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by mindlight, Feb 16, 2020.

  1. Copperhead

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    That is not historically true about modern Rabbinical Judaism. After the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, Rabban Yochanan Ben Zakkai moved the Sanhedrin to Yavne. Some scholars believe the so-called Council of Yavne met there. The Sanhedrin left Yavne for Usha in 80 CE and returned in 116 CE.

    The Bar Kochba rebellion that officially ended Israel as a territorial government under Rome was in 135 AD.

    Since then, there has always been a Hebrew presence in the Land. Even during one of the Crusades, 20,000 Jews were rounded up and put in the Great Synagogue of Jerusalem and burned alive while the crusaders marched around singing "Christ We Adore Thee".

    The Essenes were never "wiped out". Those that have studied extensively the Dead Sea Scrolls have seen that Essene theology closely mirrored future Christian theology. Including a pre-trib form of removal of the righteous before the final calamities come upon the earth. Over 100 years before Yeshua (Jesus) walked the earth. Now that is a shocker. Dr. Ken Johnson who has made a lifetime of studying their writings has determined that it is more probable that the Essenes merged with Christianity. The Essenes despised the Rabbinical Judaism of Jerusalem and despised the Pharisees and Sadducees. They adhered to a more Biblical modeled faith. John the Baptist did most of his work within the district that the Essenes lived in. There was a high probability that JB was associated with them to quite an extent.

    The main center of "modern" Christianity was established in Damascus, not Pella. With the more gnostic (Hellenized) form of Christianity headquartered in Alexandria. Those two became the major centers of Christianity and in many ways opposed each other. The Alexandrian school eventually led to the theology that developed into the Amillenial centered
    RCC. Alexandria birthed Origen based theology that dismissed a more conservative, literal interpretation of scripture and birthed modern allegorical interpretation. Augustine fully established this later and it has become the predominate exegesis standard.
     
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  2. sovereigngrace

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    I agree, Pella was not the ancient center of Christianity. I also believe the second center was found in Syria. But where is your evidence that Damascus was that focal city? Surely it was Antioch?

    So, where is your evidence that the Egyptian church centered in Alexandria was Gnostic (Hellenized)? A spiritual approach to the likes of Revelation does not prove Gnosticisim. That is faulty or ignorant reasoning/scholarship.
     
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  3. summerville

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    I have. Isaiah is talking about Israel NOT the church.
     
  4. Copperhead

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    I miswrote, I did mean Antioch. Thanks for the correction!
     
  5. sovereigngrace

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    It is clear for all to see that every post you present, and everything you write, is fixated with the happenings of AD70 when Titus destroyed Jerusalem. That's all you want to talk about. How about presenting some Scripture that shows us what happens when Jesus gloriously comes again in the future (at the end) to destroy the wicked, physically raise the elect, judge mankind and renew this sin-cursed earth? If, in fact, you actually believe that!
     
  6. sovereigngrace

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    Sounds good!

    So, where is your evidence that the Egyptian church centered in Alexandria was Gnostic (Hellenized)? A spiritual approach to the likes of Revelation does not prove Gnosticisim.
     
  7. summerville

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    Why do you think everyone who didn't flee to Pella was wiped out? Before the birth of Christ 5 million Jews lived outside Palestine.
     
  8. sovereigngrace

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    1. When was/is sin eliminated?
    2. When was/is the sinner eliminated?
    3. When was/is death eliminated?
    4. When was/is corruption eliminated?
    5. When was/is Satan eliminated?
    6. When was/is marriage eliminated?
    7. When was/is perfect righteousness introduced?
    8. When was/is peace and perfection finally introduced?
    9. When was/is incorruption introduced
    10.Are we still living in an "evil age" or not?
    11.When does crying stop?
    12.When does pain stop?
    13.When does sorrow stop?
    14.When is the curse lifted?
    15.When was/is all rule, authority and power finally put down?
     
  9. summerville

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    Israel was Hellenized long before the destruction of the Temple.. That's why they were despised by Judea.
     
  10. Copperhead

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    Get a college level text book on the history of Exegesis.

    Origen was of the Alexandrian school. He started the methodology of allegorizing or spiritualizing the scripture. Augustine of Hippo picked up on the Origenian exegetical style.

    Here are 14 of Adamantius Origen's beliefs. When he taught, he wore the pagan robes of the pagan philosopher plus he castrated himself based on his Gnostic views of the evil of the flesh.
    1) He believed the Holy Spirit was a feminine force.
    2) He believed in Soul Sleep
    3) He was a very strong proponent of Baptismal regeneration
    4) He believed that Jesus was only a created being and Gnosticism taught that Jesus became Christ at his baptism but that he was never God. He was a just a good man with very high morals.
    5) He believed in the doctrine of Purgatory
    6) He believed in transubstantiation
    7) He believed in the transmigration of the soul and reincarnation of the soul.
    8) He doubted the temptations of Jesus in Scripture and claimed they could have never happened.
    9) The Scriptures were not literal. He was the father of allegory.
    10) Genesis 1-3 was a myth, not historical or literal, as there was no actual person named "Adam."
    11) Based upon Matthew 19, a true man of God should be castrated, which he did to himself.
    12) He taught eternal life was not a gift, instead one must grab hold of it and retain it.
    13) Christ enters no man until they mentally grasp the understanding of the consummation of the ages. (It was Frederick Dennison Maurice in the 19th century who defined eternal life as coming to a knowledge of God. This is the essence of Gnosticism.)
    14) He taught there would be no physical resurrection of the believers.
     
  11. sovereigngrace

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    This is classic false Premil propaganda. Zero quotes from Origen. Present your evidence, not your propaganda.
     
  12. peterlindner

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    Jesus came at Hebrew year 3,760. This is 235 times 16. There are 235 months in a metonic cycle. The millennium is 5,760 or 360 times 16. If your ears (of corn) are full then the first fruits is 20 more loaves for 5,780
     
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  13. throughfireytrial

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    Should even some of this prove true then Origen should be dismissed from one's reading list since it could only be a source of confusion leading to corruption. I happily dismiss writings outside of Scripture for the most part. Sadly what I have read of them proves at least on some points to contradict Scripture and sound teachings. I am always reminded to praise God for our Scriptures...you cannot deny His hand in the canonization.
     
  14. summerville

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    Origen - Wikipedia
    Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaOrigen

    Origen of Alexandria (c. 184 – c. 253), also known as Origen Adamantius, was an early Christian scholar, ascetic, and theologian who was born and spent the first half of his career in Alexandria. He was a prolific writer who wrote roughly 2,000 treatises in multiple branches of theology, including textual criticism, biblical exegesis and biblical hermeneutics, homiletics, and spirituality. He was one of the most influential figures in early Christian theology, apologetics, and asceticism. He has been described as "the greatest genius th…

    Origen Quotes

    • Although Christ was God, he took flesh; and having been made man, he remained what he was, God.
    • You yourself are even another little world and have within you the sun and the moon and also the stars.
    • What good does it do me if Christ was born in Bethlehem once if he is not born again in my heart through faith?
    • The human heart is no small thing, for it can embrace so much.
    TOP 25 QUOTES BY ORIGEN | A-Z Quotes
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  15. summerville

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    I am well aware that Ephraim is Israel and no.. I don't think the church is Israel.
     
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  16. summerville

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    Yes, some Christians reject education. Doesn't mean they should.
     
  17. throughfireytrial

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    True education one should never reject, however, myths and lies and allegations one said this and not thus and it was Clement of Rome, no Clement of Alexandria...that's not education. One can appease a little curiosity, but it is not true science or education when one is reading faulty accounts. Where they contradict Scripture one can surely dismiss them. Besides who wants a lot of false or faulty writings floating around in one's head when discerning the True Word? It is only the true Word alone that speaks volumes continually and forever...one will never learn all its lessons nor glean all its treasures with effort...some never try.
     
  18. Erik Nelson

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    It is well known that the destruction of Jerusalem. In 70 white out all Jewish sects, except for Christianity and Proto Rabbinical Judaism.

    yes Rabbi yochanan ben zakkai did flee Jerusalem once it was surrounded by Roman armies and he did survive to found the Council of Jabneh.

    And, of course, Christian Djoos also fled the city and escapes to Pella.
     
  19. Erik Nelson

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    are you aware of the LXX?

    The Septuagint along with Josephus and other early Jewish writings all date. Eden to 5500 BC.
     
  20. claninja

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