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Why evolution should not be a religious issue
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Ok, lets start from the beginning, and I submit the short "paper":
We have God created it, just as we see things created every day. Then we have "happened on it's own" something we've never seen happen.
Conclusion based on what I have seen with my own eyes, up against something no one claims to have ever seen....it was Created.
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I don't see how it is a necessity to conclude any specific deity in the creation of our universe simply based on evidence of intelligent design. If indeed it is a necessity then prove it via logic.
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I don't really CARE what others think, have thought, or are thinking about intelligent design.
I have my own brain with my own concepts and my own opinions. So please try to deal with them instead of constantly bringing in other people.
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It becomes so obvious it's almost laughable.
How many self-proclaimed 'intelligent humans' can't or won't answer a simple question asked repeatedly.....
Dear atheists,
What is your source of your information?
If there is no God, no Intelligent Designer and Creator, what is the source of your information, and why are you even here?
Continuing to ignore the obvious doesn't seem very intelligent.
How many self-proclaimed 'intelligent humans' can't or won't answer a simple question asked repeatedly.....
Dear atheists,
What is your source of your information?
If there is no God, no Intelligent Designer and Creator, what is the source of your information, and why are you even here?
Continuing to ignore the obvious doesn't seem very intelligent.
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What "paper"? The Bible is not a valid source for science. If you want to claim that it is the burden of proof is upon you. Otherwise myths from any religion have just as much weight as yours does.
Kenny, you don't even seem to understand the nature of evidence. How about we start there?
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Subduction Zone
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You missed the point. ID is a dishonest attempt by certain people to sneak God into the debate. If one wants to do that one should not have to do so dishonestly.
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Evolution is a religious issue being that it is a religious belief couched in the name of science when the actual science does not support that belief.
The facts are Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Only when Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian is variation ever seen in the species.
Neither the Asian nor the African evolves into the Afro-Asian. The Asian remains Asian and the African remains African.
Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. Only when Husky mates with Mastiff is variation ever seen in the species.
Neither the Husky nor the Mastiff evolves into the Chinook. The Husky remains Husky and the Mastiff remains Mastiff.
Just as the T-Rex remained T-Rex from the oldest fossil to the youngest fossil found, as did every single one of them.
They have simply incorrectly classified the different infraspecific taxa within the species as seperate species, for no better reason than they look a little different like a Mastiff and Poodle.
But because they have elevated evolution to the level of a religious belief, they refuse to accept direct empirical evidence of how life propagates because it falsifies their system of beliefs.
The facts are Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African. Only when Asian mates with African and produces an Afro-Asian is variation ever seen in the species.
Neither the Asian nor the African evolves into the Afro-Asian. The Asian remains Asian and the African remains African.
Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff. Only when Husky mates with Mastiff is variation ever seen in the species.
Neither the Husky nor the Mastiff evolves into the Chinook. The Husky remains Husky and the Mastiff remains Mastiff.
Just as the T-Rex remained T-Rex from the oldest fossil to the youngest fossil found, as did every single one of them.
They have simply incorrectly classified the different infraspecific taxa within the species as seperate species, for no better reason than they look a little different like a Mastiff and Poodle.
But because they have elevated evolution to the level of a religious belief, they refuse to accept direct empirical evidence of how life propagates because it falsifies their system of beliefs.
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Subduction Zone
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Why would you trust the Bible any more than you would trust any other religious book? Why don't you trust the even older works of the Hindus for example?
When we think an idea is correct we test it and see if it passes those tests. How do you test your ideas?
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Fine then. But please educate yourself re: the ID movement. With the Dover trial and the "textbook" "Of Pandas and People," you can literally see the evolution of "creationist > cdesign proponentsists > Intelligent Design." You also need to familiarize yourself with Johnson and the "wedge document," which explains the lengths they're willing to go to to lie for Jesus.
If you want to talk ID as a philosophical endeavor, fine. I would ask you why do you feel the need to have a designer? Why does anyone/anything at all have to be responsible? Why invoke a bigger mystery to explain a mystery?
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The Bible has been shown to be one of the most historically accurate texts existing, even when so called experts challenged it and were eventually proven wrong.
Evolutions claims on the other hand change every post.
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Once more I don't see what other people's flaws, if indeed they are flaws, would have to do with me personally and why I would need to become enmeshed in any dispute revolving around such alleged flaws. .
As for invoking anything, I am not invoking out of a psychological necessity as you are implying. I am merely taking things to their logical conclusion. That you consider those conclusions illogical is your right to an opinion just as it is my right to consider yours equally as illogical and unwarranted.
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I don't consider the universe a mystery. I view it as an effect of a designing intellect. So the first mystery you are proposing doesn't exist in my viewpoint. The second mystery, or the nature of it, fits more into the mysterious. However, delving into those areas would throw the thread completely off so perhaps it should be discussed on a thread of its own. .
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Pluto wasn't a Christian, he was a Roman god (fallen angel in reality) and probably acted like he was the judge of the dead (a task that belongs to Jesus).
Scientists venerated this fallen angel by naming a planet after him, thus insuring we would be discussing this mocker of Christ by name for decades to come.
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Cant tell, observation showed you those finches were interbreeding right in front of your eyes and you ignore it.
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Hello Renee.
Could all earthly primates resist that primitive urge, to call any ideology a fact. A fact is something that is proven, the ideology of evolution cannot ever be proven. You will need to retract your statement, this statement is illogical.
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Good luck, friend, you're attempting to debate with the willfully ignorant.
A typical bypassing of the question, and a typical deflection. When did I bring up trusting the Bible more than any other religious books in my question?
(I do, but that's besides the point, and was inserted by you, not me.)
You claim to have these 'intelligent ideas' that come out of thin air, then proceed to try and prove then by testing them against what...other ideas that came from some other intelligent thinker upper of ideas.
Ok, fine, but are you then intelligent enough in your creative idea-thinking to acknowledge and believe in the Supreme Intelligent Idea-Creator that is the Source of all Intelligence? Or do you use your OWN intelligence to think up the idea that you are your own Creator?
Ah, I see.....Observing things that already exist, that have already been created by .....?
{ "The fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'." }
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That is simply not true. Some parts of the Bible are historically accurate. The first two books of the Bible are far from accurate.
Science has a self correcting mechanism. If you paid any attention to those changes you would see that they keep getting smaller and smaller. The Bible can only be corrected by reinterpreting it. In other words it has a rather large tendency to fail over the years.
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