Why evolution isn't scientific

[xianghua]

So if you agree that evolution doesn't pass limits like this, why are you trying to get me to put a limit on when bears could have evolved?

because it was your claim actually. you are the one who said that evolution cant be true if we will find a 200 my old bear fossil.

 

[Kylie]

because it was your claim actually. you are the one who said that evolution cant be true if we will find a 200 my old bear fossil.

Then show me a 200 million year old bear!

You think your imaginary animals are evidence against evolution? Just because you have a fantasy about a 200 million year old bear doesn't make it real. Figments of your imagination don't count as evidence.

Show me a 200 million year old bear and I will say, "Yes, that is very difficult for evolution to explain, and it counts as evidence against evolution." But you have not done this, instead all you can do is play with what-ifs. Your argument is incredibly weak and until you can actually produce evidence of a 200 million year old bear, it doesn't deserve any attention.

 

[AV1611VET]

Show me a 200 million year old bear and I will say, "Yes, that is very difficult for evolution to explain, and it counts as evidence against evolution."

You have to see one first?

You can't go ahead and say a 200 million year old bear counts as evidence against evolution?

 

[Shemjaza]

You have to see one first?

You can't go ahead and say a 200 million year old bear counts as evidence against evolution?

She did.

Finding the victim's blood on my hands and a knife in my bag might be evidence that I'm the killer... but that evidence doesn't exist, so there is no evidence.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You have to see one first?

You can't go ahead and say a 200 million year old bear counts as evidence against evolution?

Same as finding an ancient text saying "I, Moses, wrote the Genesis story as an allegory" is evidence against Genesis being literal. Can we now agree that Genesis is only allegory? It feels really good to have finally put that one to bed

 

[AV1611VET]

Same as finding an ancient text saying "I, Moses, wrote the Genesis story as an allegory" is evidence against Genesis being literal.

I hear an Arab phone ringing.

Let's try this:

"Show me an ancient text saying 'I, Moses, wrote the Genesis story as an allegory," and I will say, 'Yes, that counts as evidence against a literal Genesis.'"

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I hear an Arab phone ringing.

Let's try this:

"Show me an ancient text saying 'I, Moses, wrote the Genesis story as an allegory," and I will say, 'Yes, that counts as evidence against a literal Genesis.'"

Other than a double standard, how is a hypothetical 200 mya bear any different to this hypothetical text? You've used the exact same argument, but claim it is different.

 

[Kylie]

You have to see one first?

You can't go ahead and say a 200 million year old bear counts as evidence against evolution?

If a 200 million year old bear fossil exists, it would count as evidence against evolution.

However, since no one seems able to show that 200 million year old bear fossils actually exist in the real world, it doesn't exactly count, does it?

I'm not going to deal in imaginary flights of fancy.

I mean, what do you expect me to say? "I don't believe in evolution anymore because someone imagined a thing which could prove it wrong?"

 

[AV1611VET]

However, since no one seems able to show that 200 million year old bear fossils actually exist in the real world, it doesn't exactly count, does it?

For the record, nothing existed prior to 4004 BC, but I suppose there could be something found that is 200 million years old.

 

[Kylie]

For the record, nothing existed prior to 4004 BC, but I suppose there could be something found that is 200 million years old.

Yeah, I know your embedded age idea. You'll forgive me if I decide not to take it into consideration until you actually produce some valid evidence to support it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, I know your embedded age idea. You'll forgive me if I decide not to take it into consideration until you actually produce some valid evidence to support it.

If God can forgive you for being an atheist, I can forgive you for not taking embedded age into consideration.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

If God can forgive you for being an atheist, I can forgive you for not taking embedded age into consideration.

Firstly, God doesn't forgive anyone for that. Apparently that's what Hell is all about. Secondly, we can forgive you for believing your embedded age nonsense. See, we don't need any god to set an example, we're grown up enough to make our own decisions

 

[AV1611VET]

See, we don't need any god to set an example, we're grown up enough to make our own decisions

Yes ... we reach what we call the Age of Accountability.

Then we become a mission field.

 

[AV1611VET]

Firstly, God doesn't forgive anyone for that.

He will if you ask Him.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

He will if you ask Him.

Funny thing is, to ask him I'd need to believe in him - so the problem wouldn't exist. You might want to think through your claims before you post them.

 

[AV1611VET]

Funny thing is, to ask him I'd need to believe in him - so the problem wouldn't exist.

He believes in you.

 

[xianghua]

Then show me a 200 million year old bear!

You think your imaginary animals are evidence against evolution? Just because you have a fantasy about a 200 million year old bear doesn't make it real. Figments of your imagination don't count as evidence.

Show me a 200 million year old bear and I will say, "Yes, that is very difficult for evolution to explain, and it counts as evidence against evolution." But you have not done this, instead all you can do is play with what-ifs. Your argument is incredibly weak and until you can actually produce evidence of a 200 million year old bear, it doesn't deserve any attention.

2 things:

1) in science we can ask theoretical questions too.
2) i actually gave several cases of "out of place" fossils. and we all seen that they just push back their evolution. so i dont need to bring you specifically a bear since we have many other cases.

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Firstly, God doesn't forgive anyone for that. Apparently that's what Hell is all about.

Everyone dies. What does death have to do with getting eternal life? Oh I see, you are confused and believed the serpents lie “you shall not die.”

See, we don't need any god to set an example, we're grown up enough to make our own decisions

Apparently even society doesn’t believe that as we still have rules to follow even if we are “all grown up”.....

In fact the punishment is less severe when you have an excuse of not being all grown up....

Luke 12:48

 

[Kylie]

If God can forgive you for being an atheist, I can forgive you for not taking embedded age into consideration.

I'll be happy to take it into account. All you gotta do is produce some actual evidence for it.

But the Invisible Pink Unicorn forgives you for your lack of evidence. Isn't she nice?

 

[Kylie]

2 things:

1) in science we can ask theoretical questions too.
2) i actually gave several cases of "out of place" fossils. and we all seen that they just push back their evolution. so i dont need to bring you specifically a bear since we have many other cases.

1. Yes, we can entertain hypotheticals, but only a fool would try to use a hypothetical as factual without evidence.

2. As others have explained, the other examples of out of place fossils have explanations.