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Why evolution isn't scientific

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by xianghua, Aug 29, 2018.

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  1. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    a scientific theory is a theory that we can test. mean it can be falsified. the problem with evolution is that it cant be test. for instance: some evolutionists (like dawkins and others) claiming that if we will find even a single out of place fossil- evolution will be false. but we actually found many such fossils like this one:

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/08/180801182438.htm

    but as you can guess- they just push back the evolution of the creature and dont claim that evolution is false. the problem is that in this way any fossil will not falsify evolution. other evolutionists claimed that if we will find more shared ervs with far species than close species evolution will be false. but in this case they can just claim for convergent evolution or convergent loss or even ils. so even such a case will not be a problem for evolution, and therefore its not a scientific theory by definition. as a general note: english isnt my native so i may not understand some words here and there in general. thanks.
     
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  2. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    Evolution only works on paper.
     
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  3. AirPo

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    That's not out of place.
     
  4. sfs

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    Yet another thread in which nonscientists tell scientists how to do their jobs.
     
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  5. pitabread

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    You appear to continually confuse refinement of the timelines of when things appear in the fossil record versus what would constitute an actual falsification of the theory.

    I believe Sarah explained all of this in detail to you and yet it appears you still don't understand it. That's unfortunate.

    You've never demonstrated that you understand what convergent evolution even means. Consequently your criticism doesn't mean anything.
     
  6. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    I've read the OP twice and can't seem to find that.
     
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  7. AV1611VET

    AV1611VET SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE Supporter

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    What woud Sarah say if they found a rabbit in the pre-Cambrian?
     
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  8. pitabread

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    Has that ever happened? No? Then irrelevant.

    What the OP posted isn't the same thing at all. This is the problem with trying to argue against something from a position of ignorance.
     
  9. Sanoy

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    Are there any scenarios in which evolution could not recover from a detrimental objection? We are approaching it's third incarnation now, by adding teleological forces to neo darwinism. It seems insuperable under naturalistic presuppositions and the ability to add new features through penmanship. So how do people envision a naturalistic scenario where it is shown to be fully false?
     
  10. AirPo

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    The aliens that have been pulling the strings all along finally reveal themselves.
     
  11. sfs

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    We're doing what now?
     
  12. Steven Wood

    Steven Wood Not my will but Thy will be done

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    So are you saying that just because they are scientist they are incapable of lying for the reasons of gaining fame and grants? My belief has always been that nonsense is nonsense no matter who is spewing it and common sense is not all that common. I have no problem understanding things especially if its a dumbed down, abridged version. Sounds to me like the OP know a little something about it though. I tell you this though, I have a hypothetical question that I'd like you to answer.
     
  13. xianghua

    xianghua Well-Known Member

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    yet another comment wich dealing with the writer instead of dealing with the facts. if you can show why im wrong- be my guest.
     
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  14. Steven Wood

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    Here's a question for you? Since you insult the intelligence of the OP and count her opinion as worthless lets see how well versed you are in both sides of the arguement or just spew what you think makes you sound smart, Do you understand the entire Bible enough to discredit it and label it as false compared to "logical" science? Before you answer I'll give you a hint about what your response should be. If you say you do then you will know that there are a few passages that pose the question who knows the mind of God and who was there and the beginning or creation. Now if you say yes you'll know that that passage proves you'd be lying. If you say no the you are not educated enough for your criticism to mean anything let alone have the right to demean another. If you think I am purposely being insulting you should learn that your words have consequences and may hurt others as well.
     
  15. Sanoy

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    The idea that the universe is such that life, as we observe it, isn't just random, but likely. So rather than rely on pure randomness the state of matter is a significant driving force acting congruently with evolution.
     
  16. Steven Wood

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    please see my response to your first response
     
  17. xianghua

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    lets take something even more simple: a human with a dino.
     
  18. xianghua

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    so where is the limit that we can push back creatures evolution? give me a specific number. if you cant- then you prove my point that evolution can explain anything.
     
  19. sfs

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    Well, no, but if you're seriously suggesting that virtually all of the world's scientists are lying about evolution, then yes, I'm saying that's completely nuts. (Why would they be doing this, anyway? The same scientists are the ones deciding who gets grants -- why would they devote their lives studying something they know is a fraud?)
    My belief -- formed based on decades of watching people attack evolution -- is that most of those doing the attacking have no idea what they're talking about.
    I can answer hypothetical questions, but not hypothetical questions that you haven't asked (which would make it a hypothetical hypothetical question, I guess).
     
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  20. Steven Wood

    Steven Wood Not my will but Thy will be done

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    many are called but few are chosen and the foolish will never gain wisdom. To take a page from their beliefs. trying to explain the truth to the blind and ignorant is like trying to explain quantum mechanics to a monkey.its a waste of time because God will never open the eyes of the wicked.
     
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