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Why evolution isn't scientific

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Finding tetrapods in rocks where they shouldn't be would be a problem for evolution, yes.
Speaking of tetrapods, didn't tetrapods allegedly come from the ocean?

And if so, didn't we allegedly come from tetrapods?

And if so, are we four-footed?
 
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Speaking of tetrapods, didn't tetrapods allegedly come from the ocean?

And if so, didn't we allegedly come from tetrapods?

And if so, are we four-footed?
By clade, yes we are... and we do still have four limbs.

Snakes are also from the tetrapod clade, but have no limbs at all (but they still have remnant genes for building legs).
 
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That depends, when we examine the genome, would we find the same genes as we do in birds, or is it a true convergent evolutionary development and their DNA has recreated novel genes to express these new feathers, which fantasy would you like to explore?

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I tend to forget that evolution:

1. Is endless genealogies.

Not endless. Just going back to first life, some 3.8 billion years ago.

2. Plays connect-the-dots.

Yes. All of science is. The "dots" are all the various pieces of evidence and it's the scientist job to unravel the picture it paints. The more data / dots you have, the clearer the picture becomes.

How do you think murder cases are solved?

3. Utilizes the No True Scotsman Principle.

That makes no sense to me.

4. Plays Arab phone.

makes even less sense to me.
 
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I tend to forget that evolution:

1. Is endless genealogies.
2. Plays connect-the-dots.
3. Utilizes the No True Scotsman Principle.
4. Plays Arab phone.

Claims man is still a fish when they get into trouble, but requires creatures to diversify.

You can't falsify a theory that is as malleable as silly putty....
 
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I tend to forget that evolution:

1. Is endless genealogies.
2. Plays connect-the-dots.
3. Utilizes the No True Scotsman Principle.
4. Plays Arab phone.

How silly.

Scince is a toll to describe physial reality, no more, no less.
 
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Claims man is still a fish when they get into trouble, but requires creatures to diversify.

You can't falsify a theory that is as malleable as silly putty....
One thing that ticks me is ... when I claim I'm not a Homo sapiens, they'll ask me if I'm a mammal?

Yet when I play that game too and ask if we are also four-footed tetrapods, they suddenly play Arab phone and change "four footed" to "four limbs."

It goes like this:

AV1611VET: Are we tetrapods?
Evolutionist: Yup.
AV1611VET: So we're four-footed?
Evolutionist: We have four limbs, yes.
 
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I tend to forget that evolution:

1. Is endless genealogies.
2. Plays connect-the-dots.
Never claims to be perfect, so works from evidence if it can be shown to be reliable.

This is a better way of doing things then finding something that feels reliable to you emotionally and assuming it's correct.

3. Utilizes the No True Scotsman Principle.
Can you please give an example as to how this is appropriate? Any specific example from scientists not some made up creationist talking point?

4. Plays Arab phone.
If I remember this personal idiom of yours it's that you don't like when people use more specific and defined terms rather then the every day version of words you grew up with?
(Tell me if I'm wrong.)

Often the common terms are either too vague to be specific for the conversation or carry emotional or moral baggage in their use. This is a problem for clear communication and debate.
 
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How silly.

Scince is a toll to describe physial reality, no more, no less.
Evolution isn't science.

It is a faith-based philosophy of endless genealogies that Solomon calls an "invention," and Paul calls a "philosophy" and "endless genealogies" and "fables."
 
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One thing that ticks me is ... when I claim I'm not a Homo sapiens, they'll ask me if I'm a mammal?

Yet when I play that game too and ask if we are also four-footed tetrapods, they suddenly play Arab phone and change "four footed" to "four limbs."

It goes like this:

AV1611VET: Are we tetrapods?
Evolutionist: Yup.
AV1611VET: So we're four-footed?
Evolutionist: We have four limbs, yes.
We are from the four-footed group, so are birds... it's the name of the genetic/structural group, no a 100% description.

Are you also upset that no one ever draws the tyrannosaurus rex wearing a crown and heading up a totalitarian regime?
 
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We are from the four-footed group, so are birds... it's the name of the genetic/structural group, no a 100% description.

Are you also upset that no one ever draws the tyrannosaurus rex wearing a crown and heading up a totalitarian regime?

No, because no one ever refers to pond scum when they talk of sharing feet.....
 
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Can you please give an example as to how this is appropriate? Any specific example from scientists not some made up creationist talking point?
Flying squirrels don't fly, they glide ... and somehow that validates the mistake made when they were first labeled "flying" squirrels.
Shemjaza said:
If I remember this personal idiom of yours it's that you don't like when people use more specific and defined terms rather then the every day version of words you grew up with?
(Tell me if I'm wrong.)
Arab phone, Chinese whispers, Telephone game, Grapevine ... all the same thing.

Put ten people in a room, whisper something in one person's ear, who whispers it to the next person, and so on; and by the time it gets to the tenth person, the story is completely different.

Example: Changing "four feet" to "four limbs."
 
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The number is ~248 Ma years ago (before the evolution of mammals). Or even ~46 Ma ago to the evolution of carnivorous mammals.

so according to you we can push back bears to about 45 my ago but not 46. make sense.
 
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Flying squirrels don't fly, they glide ... and somehow that validates the mistake made when they were first labeled "flying" squirrels.Arab phone, Chinese whispers, Telephone game, Grapevine ... all the same thing.

Put ten people in a room, whisper something in one person's ear, who whispers it to the next person, and so on; and by the time it gets to the tenth person, the story is completely different.

Put 10 people in a room and ask a question and you will get 12 answers....

Example: Changing "four feet" to "four limbs."

And ignore the pond scum with no feet..... or limbs.....
 
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We are from the four-footed group,
I don't care what group deceived evolutionists say we're from.

Are we four-footed or aren't we?

If you answer anything but YES, then I submit your philosophy's inventor is trying to hide something.
 
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so according to you we can push back bears to about 45 my ago but not 46. make sense.

No, they can push it back as far as needed to prevent falsification. Not bothering to mention that doing so would affect the evolutionary time scale for everything else that went before...... best to just ignore that....
 
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