Why does the earth rotate?

[dad]

As I said, I'm prepared to back that up with further objective evicence once it's my turn.

Let me guess you think it's not your turn!? Pretty lame.

Otherwise we're in the typical discussion situation where one side is expected to provide all the evidence, and does so, while the other side just never-endingly insists on more and more evidence without providing any of their own.

No we are in a situation where your side pretends they have something some evidence but can't quite post it.

If you feel that your description of how the earth came to be spinning - i.e. that God did it - should be taken seriously then can you please provide your objective evidence that there is actually a God.

You are shown up as being totally unable to begin to prove what was supposed to be science. If you want to apply as a belief, well go ahead! I won't be talking to you on that level because I represent earth's primo number one belief, and once so called science is relegated to a belief it is more like 148th in the waste of time absurb belief line. Good luck with that.

 

[florida2]

That's under the assumption that the sun is a "star" and is undergoing nuclear fusion.

Then please present your scientific evidence for what it really is. Saying the Sun is a star undergoing nuclear fusion is not an assumption, it's evidenced.

As a Christian, surely you believe that people are spirits (their true selves), clothed in physical bodies. Why do men and women appear in specific places at specific times? Why isn't a man pyramid shaped?

I'm not pyramid shaped because my DNA codes for a human, not a pyramid (thankfully).

No idea what the rest of that section was about. I thought you wanted this to be about science?

I suspect that the "planets" are found in certain places at certain times because they are obeying the natural laws that the Creator assigned to them, in the same way that men and women operate according to other natural laws which the Creator assigned to them.

So what are they? Do they orbit the Sun? If not, why do they show retrograde motion? Any kid can look at them with a back yard telescope. We've sent spacecraft to them.

 

[dad]

Then please present your scientific evidence for what it really is. Saying the Sun is a star undergoing nuclear fusion is not an assumption, it's evidenced..

Let's see it then. Hope that is not too much to ask.

 

[ananda]

Then please present your scientific evidence for what it really is. Saying the Sun is a star undergoing nuclear fusion is not an assumption, it's evidenced.

All I know for myself is that it orbits the Earth, it's hot, and its color. I do not know anything else about it for myself.

I'm not pyramid shaped because my DNA codes for a human, not a pyramid (thankfully). No idea what the rest of that section was about. I thought you wanted this to be about science?

Perhaps the sun's "DNA" codes for what it is.

So what are they? Do they orbit the Sun? If not, why do they show retrograde motion? Any kid can look at them with a back yard telescope. We've sent spacecraft to them.

I personally have faith that they are alternative planes of existence. They show retrograde motion because they sometimes go backwards. How can I know for myself that spacecraft were sent to them?

 

[dad]

All I know for myself is that it orbits the Earth,

You think that Nasa is lying and fudging what they see with probes that have been beyond the sun? Not like they can't see the planets including earth orbiting. Why talk crazy talk?

 

[ananda]

You think that Nasa is lying and fudging what they see with probes that have been beyond the sun? Not like they can't see the planets including earth orbiting. Why talk crazy talk?

How do you or I know for ourselves that they sent whatever probes they've alleged to have sent?

 

[dad]

How do you or I know for ourselves that they sent whatever probes they've alleged to have sent?

The voyages of the spacecraft are known beyond reasonable doubt. Do you doubt you mom lived?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not a single glimpse of the moon, in two weeks, eh? Sorry, I don't buy it.

Why not? This is what the Earth Moon system looks like, to scale. The moon can be anywhere from 20-ish degrees above the earth to 20-ish degrees below the earth.

It would be surprising to see the moon in 14 days of footage.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

All I know for myself is that it orbits the Earth, it's hot, and its color. I do not know anything else about it for myself.

Perhaps the sun's "DNA" codes for what it is.

I personally have faith that they are alternative planes of existence. They show retrograde motion because they sometimes go backwards. How can I know for myself that spacecraft were sent to them?

Why don't you buy a telescope and look at the planets yourself?

Or better yet have a good long look at the Sun..

 

[civilwarbuff]

Why don't you buy a telescope and look at the planets yourself?

Or better yet have a good long look at the Sun..

Oh....you're so bad.....

 

[ecco]

TheQuietRiot said:

Why don't you buy a telescope and look at the planets yourself?
Or better yet have a good long look at the Sun..

civilwarbuff said:

Oh....you're so bad.....:sorry

Not to worry, Ananda would never take any science related advice.
No harm, no foul.

 

[ananda]

The voyages of the spacecraft are known beyond reasonable doubt. Do you doubt you mom lived?

I have not seen or experienced otherwise these spacecraft and their journeys. I have seen and experienced my mother.

 

[ananda]

Not to worry, Ananda would never take any science related advice.

I would, from real scientists .... ones who understand the difference between first-hand evidence and second-hand allegations.

 

[TheQuietRiot]

I would, from real scientists .... ones who understand the difference between first-hand evidence and second-hand allegations.

Did you miss the part were I suggested getting a telescope and looking for yourself?

 

[Kylie]

God. Obviously. Same way they will be different in the future. Too bad science has nothing to say about it eh?

Ah, the old creationist standby. "Goddidit." The explanation that requires absolutely zero knowledge. That tells me NOTHING of the cause and mechanism. HOW did God accomplish it? WHY did he decide that it needed to change? Falling back to "Goddidit" is to remain satisfied with ignorance, and it removes the drive to investigate and learn. Nothing has EVER been learned that way.

And in any case, your answer is meaningless because it does not describe the mechanism that I asked you to explain. I might as well say that the steam train moves because of the engineer. The boiler and steam pistons remain unexplained.

Try again.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ah, the old creationist standby. "Goddidit."

That's right.

God did it.

After all, when it comes to the creation week He documented what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Credit where credit is due.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

By contrast, these modern day Diotrephes want the credit for themselves, to the point where they dismiss God altogether and won't receive our explanations.

3 John 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

An excellent example of a Diotrephes is Edwin Hubble, who took (and/or was given) the credit for "discovering" that the universe is expanding; despite the fact that some fourteen times God makes it plain He did it.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

That's right.

God did it.

After all, when it comes to the creation week He documented what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, why He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

Credit where credit is due.

Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

By contrast, these modern day Diotrephes want the credit for themselves, to the point where they dismiss God altogether and won't receive our explanations.

3 John 9 I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the preeminence among them, receiveth us not.

An excellent example of a Diotrephes is Edwin Hubble, who took (and/or was given) the credit for "discovering" that the universe is expanding; despite the fact that some fourteen times God makes it plain He did it.

If you wish to claim "God did it", then in order for that explanation to hold water, there has to be a God. Can you please supply us with strong objective evidence that there is actually a God capable of doing it?

KTS has asked for the how and why. But, I believe that before we look at how and why, we first need to know if there is a God as otherwise the how and why are moot.

 

[florida2]

All I know for myself is that it orbits the Earth, it's hot, and its color. I do not know anything else about it for myself.

So you have no idea and presumably have no evidence for an alternative view. In the meantime, why don't you look at the evidence from the experts who, you know, actually study the Sun? Why are you so determined to reject virtually everything in science?

Perhaps the sun's "DNA" codes for what it is.

The Sun is not a living organism and therefore doesn't have DNA. Try again.

I personally have faith that they are alternative planes of existence. They show retrograde motion because they sometimes go backwards. How can I know for myself that spacecraft were sent to them?

Ok, so your unevidenced beliefs vs. centuries of astronomy. Hmmmm. That's a tough one.

They show retrograde motion in ways that is completely predictable. You can calculate and predict the position of bodies in the solar system hundreds of years into the future.

You can know whether spacecraft were sent to them by actually looking at the evidence. Do you think all spacecraft and satellites are a giant conspiracy involving thousands and thousands of people around the world keeping a massive secret? Get real.

 

[ecco]

The Sun is not a living organism and therefore doesn't have DNA. Try again.

This (partial) recap might provide a little insight. All quotes from Ananda with post #'s indicated.

21 To me, the Sun moving through the sky is a pretty obvious sign of a moving Sun.
22 I genuinely do not believe that the earth rotates or moves.
29 I believe that the sun and moon move because it is in their nature as natural beings or planes to move in their own ways. It's like asking, why do fish move, or why do plants grow the way they do, etc.
30 Mine is this:a moving Sun is due to the movement of the Sun
34 My model is what I knowfor myself: that the earth is motionless, and that the sun and moon orbit the earth.
123 In response to “What is changing the size of the sun's circles?” I believe that the sun is.
127 I believe that the sun is sentient, in its own way.

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[florida2]

This (partial) recap might provide a little insight. All quotes from Ananda with post #'s indicated.

21 To me, the Sun moving through the sky is a pretty obvious sign of a moving Sun.​

That's what everybody thought until the geocentric model of the solar system was discovered and proved that the Earth orbits the Sun. You do realise that the reason the Sun appears to move in the sky is because of the rotation of the Earth?

22 I genuinely do not believe that the earth rotates or moves.

If you want to believe this (ie think it without any evidence or reason) then that's fine - you have freedom to believe whatever you want, however much your belief saddens me. Your personal incredulity does not change reality, however.

29 I believe that the sun and moon move because it is in their nature as natural beings or planes to move in their own ways. It's like asking, why do fish move, or why do plants grow the way they do, etc.

The moon orbits the Earth in the way it does due to gravity and conservation of momentum. The Earth orbits the Sun for the same reason as all the other planets do. The Sun also orbits the centre of the galaxy.

Fish and plants move and grow in response to stimuli.

I don't see how you can classify inanimate objects such as the Sun and the moon as any sort of 'beings'. What do you mean by planes?

30 Mine is this:a moving Sun is due to the movement of the Sun

Which was proven to be false hundreds of years ago. The illusion of the moving Sun is due to the rotation of the Earth.

34 My model is what I knowfor myself: that the earth is motionless, and that the sun and moon orbit the earth.

Common sense is the number one worst way of figuring out how the universe works. That's why we use science.

123 In response to “What is changing the size of the sun's circles?” I believe that the sun is.

What Sun circles? Not sure what you're referring to there.

127 I believe that the sun is sentient, in its own way.

Is a rock sentient? Is my chair sentient? No, of course you won't say that.

Why then would you say a massive ball of hydrogen undergoing nuclear fusion is 'sentient'?

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