Why does the earth rotate?

[AV1611VET]

You and I have different definitions of "mother" or "parent".

Evidently so did Gautama.

 

[ecco]

So it what? just materialized out of thin air?

You really need to read a post before responding to it.

Now I just have to repost it. I'll Bold the key portions to draw your eye to them.


ecco post #396:

I have come to understand that you do not carefully read posts. I already stated:
There are no eyewitness accounts.
There are only stories that are intentionally written to sound like first hand accounts when, in fact they are either:
Stories passed on from person to person
-or-
Totally fabricated stories

Neither is convincing.

I wasn't there. You were not there. The authors of Acts and Corinthians were not there. I'd say that no one who was there wrote about it, but you'd only say, as in another thread or an earlier post (I can't remember which) "god didn't preserve those writings".
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Nothing "materialized" for decades after the alleged incidents.

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[dad]

No, I am saying that I have no reason to believe anything is definitively real without first-hand knowledge of the subject.

With billions of people all over the world and a long history of man, that is a lot to ignore, because most of it was not first hand to you.

 

[ecco]

With billions of people all over the world and a long history of man, that is a lot to ignore, because most of it was not first hand to you.

Dad,
For once I agree with you. Well said.
eccco

 

[ananda]

With billions of people all over the world and a long history of man, that is a lot to ignore, because most of it was not first hand to you.

I wouldn't say I ignore it all ... I'd say that anything I do not know personally, I take with a grain of salt - especially when there are multiple sides claiming to teach the "truth" about a subject.

Wouldn't you agree that what the majority believes doesn't make them inherently right, and to test all things for yourself ... as even your Scriptures proclaim (Matthew 7:14, 1Thes 5:21)?

 

[dad]

I wouldn't say I ignore it all ... I'd say that anything I do not know personally, I take with a grain of salt - especially when there are multiple sides claiming to teach the "truth" about a subject.

Wouldn't you agree that what the majority believes doesn't make them inherently right ... as even your Scriptures proclaim (Matthew 7:14)?

There are issues of belief, and there are issues of reality that is beyond reasonable doubt. If I read some news, like refugees are fleeing from many countries, I see no reason to doubt it. If I hear someone tell me it is just because of this or that reason, I take that with a grain of salt. I don't have to be in Croatia or Hungary of Greece to know a lot of refugees exist.

 

[AV1611VET]

There are no eyewitness accounts.

There are only stories that are intentionally written to sound like first hand accounts when, in fact they are either:
Stories passed on from person to person
-or-
Totally fabricated stories

Neither is convincing.​

So all these people were martyred for nothing ... right?

Including the authors of said fabricated stories?

According to these "fabricated stories," Jesus performed miracles from Dan, even to Beersheba.

I'm sure the common people who read these stories would have came forth and denied them.

Instead, Christianity grew.

Watered by the blood of her martyrs.​

 

[ananda]

There are issues of belief, and there are issues of reality that is beyond reasonable doubt. If I read some news, like refugees are fleeing from many countries, I see no reason to doubt it. If I hear someone tell me it is just because of this or that reason, I take that with a grain of salt. I don't have to be in Croatia or Hungary of Greece to know a lot of refugees exist.

I do not take that issue you just described as "beyond reasonable doubt". I've investigated the "other side of the story" and highly suspect that these "refugees" are in reality an enemy invasion force consisting of mostly young men. (Look at the vast majority of the alleged photos of these refugees - where are their elderly parents, younger women, children?)

Same with the alleged story of a "rotating earth" or a "heliocentric system" or with many other subjects. There are multiple ways of interpreting data, and I can't and won't say that I'm 100% certain of my position, but I may lean towards one position based on what I may have heard from others after weighing multiple sides to a story.

I can only be certain of what I know firsthand, personally.

Your scriptures also speaks of testing all things (obviously for yourself), does it not (1Thes 5:21)?

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't say I ignore it all ... I'd say that anything I do not know personally, I take with a grain of salt - especially when there are multiple sides claiming to teach the "truth" about a subject.

I'll bet Ted Bundy would have loved having Buddhists in the jury box.

 

[ananda]

I'll bet Ted Bundy would have loved having Buddhists in the jury box.

Do you not distinguish between "certainty of truth from personal direct knowledge" and "faith in what may likely have happened after hearing and weighing second-hand information from all sources"?

 

[AV1611VET]

I wouldn't say I ignore it all ... I'd say that anything I do not know personally, I take with a grain of salt - especially when there are multiple sides claiming to teach the "truth" about a subject.

I'll bet Ted Bundy would have loved having Buddhists in the jury box.

Do you not distinguish between "certainty of truth from personal direct knowledge" and "faith in what may likely have happened after hearing and weighing second-hand information from all sources"?

A grain of salt?

 

[TheQuietRiot]

I possess no personal, first-hand evidence regarding alleged spacecraft and satellites or of these "thousands and thousands of people". Retrograde motion is predictable whether the model is heliocentric or geocentric. Get real.

You have no interest in first hand evidence.

You can get a telescope and observe the ISS yourself.

Or the planets for that matter.

But you won't because you have no interest in the truth.

 

[ecco]

There are no eyewitness accounts.
There are only stories that are intentionally written to sound like first hand accounts when, in fact they are either:
Stories passed on from person to person
-or-
Totally fabricated stories

Neither is convincing.

So all these people were martyred for nothing ... right?<snip>Watered by the blood of her martyrs.

We have had this discussion before. Your response then was that all contemporaneous writings were "not preserve by god". No eyewitness accounts - None.

 

[dad]

I do not take that issue you just described as "beyond reasonable doubt". I've investigated the "other side of the story" and highly suspect that these "refugees" are in reality an enemy invasion force consisting of mostly young men. (Look at the vast majority of the alleged photos of these refugees - where are their elderly parents, younger women, children?)

Same with the alleged story of a "rotating earth" or a "heliocentric system" or with many other subjects. There are multiple ways of interpreting data, and I can't and won't say that I'm 100% certain of my position, but I may lean towards one position based on what I may have heard from others after weighing multiple sides to a story.

I can only be certain of what I know firsthand, personally.

Your scriptures also speaks of testing all things (obviously for yourself), does it not (1Thes 5:21)?

Whatever they are, they are real people. The earth really rotates.

 

[ananda]

The earth really rotates.

Now that's just crazy talk!

Does it say in the Bible that it rotates?

 

[dad]

Now that's just crazy talk!

Does it say in the Bible that it rotates?

You want to go by what the bible says now?

 

[ananda]

You want to go by what the bible says now?

I'm just curious how you reconcile your beliefs with your Scriptures.

 

[dad]

I'm just curious how you reconcile your beliefs with your Scriptures.

Name a belief or two, and I will reconcile.

 

[ananda]

Name a belief or two, and I will reconcile.

"The earth really rotates" you stated.

 

[dad]

"The earth really rotates" you stated.

Right, science tells us that. I see nothing contrary in the bible, so what is to reconcile?