Why does the earth rotate?

[AnotherAtheist]

I don't know how you'll know it, but I know it by faith.

That's the only way I'm familiar with as to how one can know the events that transpired in the Bible.

If you wish to believe through faith alone, then that is your perogative. However, do you expect other people to take your personal faith (or a count of the number of people who do believe) as evidence that your beliefs and what is said in the Bible is correct?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Sure there is, the 120 Principle says that the Genome is designed to allow man [male or female]up to only 120 years of life.
In over a 100 years of record keeping, including billions of recorded documents, there is only one case believed to been verified
where the person lived past the age of 120 years old.

However, a real principle applies to the present, it would extend to back to the beginning, and will continue in
perpetuity in the future.

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And in such, the fact that the one person is said to have been verified past 120 years of age would indicate one of
two things;
1. the first being that there was an error in the validation process and the person was not actually 122+ years old at the time of their passing, or;
2. even 1 in billions of records, if the principle does not hold true in each and every case the Principle would be invalid, that is the importance of scientific principles.

Since I am sure somebody will bring up the ages of men recorded in the Torah.
" Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good:" Eccl 6:6

How on earth does this address my points. I'm sort of guessing you are addressing my point that claims that we may see and be judged by God once we die (and this would be evidence for God) cannot be verified from the living world. I'm not sure how pointing out that people rarely live past 120 (and the examples where they have may be wrong) addresses this. Can you please explain.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you wish to believe through faith alone, then that is your perogative. However, do you expect other people to take your personal faith (or a count of the number of people who do believe) as evidence that your beliefs and what is said in the Bible is correct?

God expects you to walk by faith when it comes to pleasing Him, not by sight.

And He will give you that faith if you want it.

If you don't want it, and prefer to walk by sight to please yourself, others, and the Devil, that's your prerogative as well.

The Muses will help you do just that.

In the end, the proper consignments will be handed out.

 

[ananda]

Right, science tells us that. I see nothing contrary in the bible, so what is to reconcile?

I read Psalm 93:1 as teaching a stationary Earth, and Isaiah 40:22 as teaching a flat, circular Earth. (Circular not meaning spherical, as Hebrew has a different word for sphere, e.g. duwr in Isa 22:18).

I'm sure you interpret differently.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

God expects you to walk by faith when it comes to pleasing Him, not by sight.

And He will give you that faith if you want it.

If you don't want it, and prefer to walk by sight to please yourself, others, and the Devil, that's your prerogative as well.

The Muses will help you do just that.

In the end, the proper consignments will be handed out.

Would you agree that what you type here is dogma?

 

[AV1611VET]

as Hebrew has a different word for sphere, e.g. duwr in Isa 22:18).

Then blame them for that.

Don't blame us.

We use -- okay -- I use the KJB exclusively

 

[ananda]

Then blame them for that.

Don't blame us.

We use -- okay -- I use the KJB exclusively

Even with your KJB, surely you recognize a difference between the words "circle" (Isa 40:22) and "ball" (Isa 22:18)? A "circle" does not equal "sphere" or "ball".

 

[AV1611VET]

Would you agree that what you type here is dogma?

Most of it, yes.

It's basic doctrine.

But some is mere speculation as well.

Such as my belief that there are fossils on Neptune.

 

[AV1611VET]

Even with your KJB, surely you recognize a difference between the words "circle" (Isa 40:22) and "ball" (Isa 22:18)? A "circle" does not equal "sphere" or "ball".

Ever heard of the Arctic circle? the Bermuda triangle?

Is the North Pole flat? is Bermuda triangular?

 

[ananda]

Ever heard of the Arctic circle? the Bermuda triangle?

Is the North Pole flat? is Bermuda triangular?

Irrelevant. Your KJB referred to the "circle of the Earth". Not "circle of the Arctic", etc.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Ever heard of the Arctic circle? the Bermuda triangle?

Is the North Pole flat? is Bermuda triangular?

The arctic circle is a circle, it's a circle of latitude. The portion of the globe north of that circle is called 'the arctic'.

 

[AV1611VET]

Irrelevant. Your KJB referred to the "circle of the Earth". Not "circle of the Arctic", etc.

The Arctic circle isn't a circle of the earth now?

 

[AV1611VET]

The arctic circle is a circle, it's a circle of latitude. The portion of the globe north of that circle is called 'the arctic'.

Does the Arctic circle, drawn on a globe sitting on someone's desk, tell you that globe is flat?

Can't you draw a circle on a globe?

In fact, can't you draw a circle on an exercise ball, then sit on it?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Does the Arctic circle, drawn on a globe sitting on someone's desk, tell you that globe is flat?

Can't you draw a circle on a globe?

In fact, can't you draw a circle on an exercise ball, then sit on it?

I can easily draw a two dimensional circle on a globe (sphere). But, that doesn't mean that a sphere and a circle are the same thing. Which is what was being discussed. I was just being a geometry nazi.

 

[ananda]

The Arctic circle isn't a circle of the earth now?

The verse says nothing about the "Arctic circle", it says "the circle of the Earth".

 

[dad]

I read Psalm 93:1 as teaching a stationary Earth, and Isaiah 40:22 as teaching a flat, circular Earth. (Circular not meaning spherical, as Hebrew has a different word for sphere, e.g. duwr in Isa 22:18).

I'm sure you interpret differently.

Yes. I sure do. God rides a circle around the earth, not earth itself generally. His flying wheels and mobile throne mentioned in Ezekiel 1 were over the earth. Up in the sky. In other words, possibly...orbit! That can be a circle! I also believe that the Christmas star was that same vehicle of God.

 

[AV1611VET]

I can easily draw a two dimensional circle on a globe (sphere).

That I'd like to see.

 

[Loudmouth]

That I'd like to see.

Newton wept.

 

[AV1611VET]

The verse says nothing about the "Arctic circle", it says "the circle of the Earth".

Which is where?

 

[AV1611VET]

Newton wept.

Maybe he should put that on the geometry final and watch the students go 404?

A two-dimensional circle on a globe is called a saddle.