why does India have the highest rate of incest

[saladin1970]

I am very concerned about the incest rate in India.
It seems that it is related to the hindu scriptures that talk of Brahma having sexual relationships with Sarasvati


[size=+1] Vedic Sanction of Incest

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[size=+1] One of the most irrefutable facts proving that Hinduism is evil right at its very foundation is the fact that the Vedas justify the beastly act of incest as a `sacred act'. This was no doubt an outcome of the strict practice of `brahmacharya' which produced hoards of sexually starved psychopathic sadhus. It is these mad sadhu Brahmins, the authors of the concocted Vedas, who justified and legalised incast. Indeed, the Vedas enjoin incest as a kind of marriage. This fact was utilised by Brahma when convincing his daughter Sarasvati (also known as Padma) to succumb to his unlimited lust : [/size]

[size=+1]" 8. On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child. "
-- ( Puran ) [/size]​

[size=+1]This is the Vedic verse in Sanskrit which justifies incest and which was quoted by Brahma : [/size]

[size=+1] “Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha.
Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.
Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham.
Matharam suransathee Rehathee”
- ( Veda, cited in Puran ) [/size]​

[size=+1]Tranlated this verse means [/size]

[size=+1]" For the sake of a child one can enjoy his own sister or daughter, without any sin attached to it. "
( Puran ) [/size]​

[size=+1]There are other abundant examples of incest from the Vedic age. These prove that the Vedic Aryans regularly practiced incest of the father-daughter type and the brother-sister type ( Sita ). Moreover, the Vedas fully legalise this abominable practice. These evil practices continued right throughout the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 2599 years (1500 BC - 1000 AD). Thus, for example, Rama maried his sister Sita when she was still only 6 years old ( Sitaram ).[/size]

 

[vajradhara]

Salaam Saladin,

interesting post.

I am very concerned about the incest rate in India.

oh? why is that?

It seems that it is related to the hindu scriptures that talk of Brahma having sexual relationships with Sarasvati

what rate of incest is there in India?

how does that compare in % to the rest of the world?

metta,

~v

 

[satay]

I am very concerned about the incest rate in India.
It seems that it is related to the hindu scriptures that talk of Brahma having sexual relationships with Sarasvati


[size=+1]Vedic Sanction of Incest

[/size]

[size=+1]One of the most irrefutable facts proving that Hinduism is evil right at its very foundation is the fact that the Vedas justify the beastly act of incest as a `sacred act'. This was no doubt an outcome of the strict practice of `brahmacharya' which produced hoards of sexually starved psychopathic sadhus. It is these mad sadhu Brahmins, the authors of the concocted Vedas, who justified and legalised incast. Indeed, the Vedas enjoin incest as a kind of marriage. This fact was utilised by Brahma when convincing his daughter Sarasvati (also known as Padma) to succumb to his unlimited lust : [/size]

[size=+1]" 8. On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her. How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child. "

-- ( Puran ) [/size]
​

[size=+1]This is the Vedic verse in Sanskrit which justifies incest and which was quoted by Brahma : [/size]

[size=+1]“Mathara Mupathya, susara Mupatithe, Puthrartheetha.

Sagamarthi, Napathra loka, nasthee thath.
Saravam paravo vindu ha, dasmath Puthrar tham.
Matharam suransathee Rehathee”
- ( Veda, cited in Puran ) [/size]
​

[size=+1]Tranlated this verse means [/size]

[size=+1]" For the sake of a child one can enjoy his own sister or daughter, without any sin attached to it. "

( Puran ) [/size]
​

[size=+1]There are other abundant examples of incest from the Vedic age. These prove that the Vedic Aryans regularly practiced incest of the father-daughter type and the brother-sister type ( Sita ). Moreover, the Vedas fully legalise this abominable practice. These evil practices continued right throughout the Brahmanic Dark Ages of 2599 years (1500 BC - 1000 AD). Thus, for example, Rama maried his sister Sita when she was still only 6 years old ( Sitaram ).[/size]

Okay. I am going to become a mulla now after reading this mulla crap and start bombing buildings. oh wait...I have to screw my cousins first...

When are you mullas going to learn that this crap doesn't work man. Come back with some stuff you can debate with before I start pasting crap about your blood thristy child molester mohamad.

satay

 

[vajradhara]

Okay. I am going to become a mulla now after reading this mulla crap and start bombing buildings. oh wait...I have to screw my cousins first...

When are you mullas going to learn that this crap doesn't work man. Come back with some stuff you can debate with before I start pasting crap about your blood thristy child molester mohamad.

satay

lol... don't hold back, Satay, tell us how you really feel

metta,

~v

 

[satay]

lol... don't hold back, Satay, tell us how you really feel

metta,

~v

What no blessings?

These mullas are good for nothing. Maybe I should start posting mulla crap here too so that we can all learn about how wonderfully mullas treat their women by mutilating their genitals and all that sort of things...

satay

 

[Fuzzy]

If you're going to make a claim, there really ought to be citations.

And that goes for everyone. High rate of incest? Please cite actual statistics
(which might prove difficult, as a quick google check got sites which have "incest" as a metatag, or reference incest-survivor support)

The original post should have been phrased as "The Vedas support incest!"
rather than dragging statistics into it.

 

[saladin1970]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/259959.stm

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Delhi organisation RAHI said 76% of respondents to its survey had been abused when they were children - 40% of those by a family member. [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica]The report suggests that disbelief, denial and cover-up to preserve the family reputation is often put before the individual child. [/font]

 

[satay]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/259959.stm

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Delhi organisation RAHI said 76% of respondents to its survey had been abused when they were children - 40% of those by a family member. [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica]The report suggests that disbelief, denial and cover-up to preserve the family reputation is often put before the individual child. [/font]

Report fails to tell us the acutal numbers...saying 76% doesn't say anything. What questions were asked? Who was surveyed? How were the questions phrased?

I can tell you that mullas sleep with their family members, mutilate the girls genitals, rape them etc. and I don't have to provide any surveys. This is the reality of the mullas. Mulla religion allows this crap.

satay

 

[Fuzzy]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/259959.stm

[font=Arial, Helvetica]Delhi organisation RAHI said 76% of respondents to its survey had been abused when they were children - 40% of those by a family member. [/font][font=Arial, Helvetica]The report suggests that disbelief, denial and cover-up to preserve the family reputation is often put before the individual child. [/font]

Thank you. And it's a 7 year old article, so I hope you don't mind if I do a little digging.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040125/herworld.htm#1

Hmmm. Not clear if it's a followup survey, or the same survey, but it does list a survey population of 600 people, which (IIRC) is considered large enough for accurate sampling.

I found a few other pages, but their discussions weren't as polite as what we have here on CF.

 

[saladin1970]

Report fails to tell us the acutal numbers...saying 76% doesn't say anything. What questions were asked? Who was surveyed? How were the questions phrased?

I can tell you that mullas sleep with their family members, mutilate the girls genitals, rape them etc. and I don't have to provide any surveys. This is the reality of the mullas. Mulla religion allows this crap.

satay

well ask the BBC where they got those figures from, and whilst you are at it, ask the hindu gods why they authorise it in the verdas??

 

[satay]

well ask the BBC where they got those figures from, and whilst you are at it, ask the hindu gods why they authorise it in the verdas??

Nah...after reading this crap I am becoming a mulla myself man. You convinced me. How did your mohamad idiot rape the 9 year old girl and why? why do mullas mutilate the genitals of their new born girls? what does the mulla crap book say about that?

satay

 

[Theowne]

The only result that comes up for a googling of most of saladin's direct quotes is the heavily biased and anti-Hindu site dalitstan.org.

 

[Theowne]

Quoted from post at Hindunet

This Sanskrit verse is from Puranas and is intended to mean differently than what is translated literally above. To understand the full import of this verse, we need to understand the purpose and place of the Puranas in Hindu tradition.

Puranas constitute Hindu mythology. Hindu mythology is not written to provide emotional or intellectual entertainment, or satisfy one's idle curiosity. The sole purpose of the Puranas is to bring forth morals to help build one's character. Thus, Hindu mythology is moral-based. This means that each episode is designed to bring forth a particular moral (or morals) for the development of one's conduct in one's individual, social and religious life.

Although Puranas are called secondary scriptures, they are not scriptures in the narrow sense scriptures are understood in other religions. Puranas are tales and fables, which were created in the ancient times to expound teachings of the primary scriptures (called Sruti) for the benefit of those, who could not comprehend the deep philosophy of the primary scriptures. Some of the Puranas are based upon true-life stories of the ancient kings, queens, and heroes. Others are based upon only imagery and imagination. In Puranas, neither genuineness of the character is important, nor is the purity and truthfulness of the story. Only the moral is important. This is why there are some popular religious stories (such as Satyanarayan Katha), where even gods are depicted as mean, power-hungry and revengeful, and in some cases outright mean and partial. However, when you look at the moral of the story, it is meaningful and wonderful. Whether the story is true or not is immaterial.

Sexual energy is the most potent energy in humans and animals. In animals, it is controlled by the Nature through a control system called instinct. In humans, it is controlled by the free will exerted by the mind in three different ways. By self-control (celibacy), this energy is transformed into spiritual energy, as has been demonstrated by Yogis of India over thousands of years. In addition to attaining spiritual perfection, these Yogis were able to develop supernatural powers by transformation of this energy. Through the institution of marriage, this energy is transformed for constructive purposes, such as raising one's family. If uncontrolled, sexual instinct can lead to one's own physical and spiritual degeneration. In Hindu tradition, a gown-up unmarried daughter is advised to keep a distance from her own male relatives and friends. Even the father is advised not to spend time alone even with his own unmarried grown-up daughter, lest the impulse may overtake his judgment. In Hindu culture, at least in ancient times, many restrictions were placed on women for this very reason. With this background, let us analyze the above verse.

"On seeing his beautiful daughter Padma, Brahma was sexually excited. He wooed his daughter and wanted to copulate with her."

Here the story is not viewed to be real, only the moral is to be considered important. The moral of this story is that a gown-up unmarried girl should not be allowed to remain alone in the company of a male. This guidance even applies to the father of that girl. This is why, in Hindu culture, even a father is advised not to spend time alone with his own grown-up unmarried daughter. This is the message the ancients wanted to bring forth for their society through the above verse.

"How could a daughter give consent to her own father? Padma refused. Brahma could not give up his desire. He began to quote the Vedas to convince her that there was nothing wrong in having sex with anyone, anytime, anywhere for the sake of giving birth to a child."

This simply means that the sexual instinct is powerful (it does not matter, whether it is a Hindu or anyone else) and a man will try to give all plausible arguments to seduce the woman (even try to interpret scriptures to help satisfy his lust). No Hindu scripture allows free sex in order to give birth to a child. Sexual energy must be controlled through the institution of marriage to create a family in accordance with the demands of Dharma (Hindu moral and ethical code).

In conclusion, the above verse (and entire Hindu mythology) must be studied with questioning attitude. Why should such a verse appear in a scripture? What is the purpose of such a description? Once such questions are raised, the answers are intuitive.

I reviewed the contents of the web site: http://www.periyar.org/mr/984mr12.htm
It appears to me that the intent of the sponsors is to literally translate Sanskrit words into English and make their conclusions based upon their own understanding (rather misunderstanding). A conditioned mind cannot see with clarity, because its own conditioning clouds its vision.

 

[satay]

The only result that comes up for a googling of most of saladin's direct quotes is the heavily biased and anti-Hindu site dalitstan.org.

datlistan.org is a maleccha site. Some mullas are also dalits.

satay

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste fuzzy,

thank for the post and the link.

Thank you. And it's a 7 year old article, so I hope you don't mind if I do a little digging.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2004/20040125/herworld.htm#1

Hmmm. Not clear if it's a followup survey, or the same survey, but it does list a survey population of 600 people, which (IIRC) is considered large enough for accurate sampling.

this reminds me of a quote i used to have in my signature:

Statistics are the triump of the quantitive method. The Quantitive Method is the victory of sterility and death. ~ H. Belloc.

on a personal level, i find the methodology of staticial formulation to be problematic, at best, and down right dishonest at worse. there is nothing more inane, in my view, than asking a very small subset of people a question and the extrapolating that to be indicative of the mass of people as a whole.

i would, as a general rule, much rather talk with individual beings to determine what it is they do and the reasons thereof.

I found a few other pages, but their discussions weren't as polite as what we have here on CF.

oyi! that's almost hard to believe! those must be some down right nasty discussions!

metta,

~v

 

[bless_sins]

TO Theowne,

Than you for posting that, and I hope everyone learns the lesson: things aren't what they seem to be.

From the Puran it is perfectly clear that incest was committed by Brahma (who I think, but am not sure, is a demi-God).
However, there is a different interpretation of this.
The HIndu religion obviously does not justify any thing of the sort.

Similarly, those who accuse the Quran of justifying killing non-Muslims (Theowne, I am talking about you), should know that things arent what they seem to be.

Muslims have a different explanation for all the verse you accuse to be oprdering murder, and other evil stuff etc...

 

[rahul_sharma]

These idiot pokdistani mullas and mullis....

sick copy paste Islamic sources FOOLS

 

[SpaceIsThePlace]

what's a mulla? i'm not being a jerk, i just don't know.

 

[satay]

what's a mulla? i'm not being a jerk, i just don't know.

We people of Indian origin call muslims Mullas. It's not a bad term. Mullas are mullas just like the malecchas are malecchas.

in fact, a maleccha can be a mulla and a mulla can be a maleccha and both can be dalits!

satay

 

[rahul_sharma]

what's a mulla? i'm not being a jerk, i just don't know.

This is not an insulting word....In Pakistan too ....mulllas call each other Mullaaaaaaaaaaaa.