I think as a preacher he does quite fine.Are you not impressed with his preaching either?
I am not impressed with his reasoning skills.
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I think as a preacher he does quite fine.Are you not impressed with his preaching either?
How many gods, do you think?
You fail to address the point, then insult with preaching.
More preaching.
Also, you are again editing my posts to alter their intent. That is intellectually dishonest. Is this the best you can do?
Again:
You have yet to establish that they are "God's words".
You have yet to establish that it is possible for gods exist, other than as characters in books.
So are lies in the school playground, so I have heard. A throwaway term, when you lump them in with child molesting, rape, genocide.
How is death is unusual for living things?
I have learned that there is very little in common between individual Christians. Over in the E&M forum, a Christian was arguing that slavery (in the bible) was okay because we are all slaves (if you consider you in your day job to be a slave).
I am serious. If child rape does not preclude you from entering this hypothetical heaven, you will need to tell me again what you mean by 'evil'.
She is wonderful. And my best friend.
I don't think you understand the concept of falsifiability.
Explain how this bible story is scientifically falsifiable. If you cannot, it is of no significance.
Explain how this "Jesus lives inside me" is scientifically falsifiable. If you cannot, it is of no significance.
I said, why do you keep asking if genocide and child rape is "objectively wrong", when it is okay by God? Why call genocide "evil" if it is only humans that think it bad?
If genocide is not bad enough to bar you from heaven, what is?
You. You said, "Christ's death was sufficient to atone for the sins of the world, that is why He died, so that anyone who believes in Him might not perish, but have everlasting life. Anyone means anyone, the rapist, the child molester, the worst sin you can think of was atoned for on the cross. This is the good news. This is the gospel."
So, no repercussions for the rape of that child - if you are a believer. Where is this concern for the child?
This is your morality?
God is stopping evil.
I asked you what you thought. Whatever.Depends on how you are using the term, and who you are asking. If you ask a Hindu, he might tell you there are innumerable gods in the Hindu pantheon. If you ask me, there is One God, even the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ. I would also tell you that gods can refer to a ruler of men or men in general as is used in the OT rendering of elohim. It can also refer to idols. The word has more than one connotation.
I ask you a question, and you respond by preaching at me. That is insulting. Do you think of me as stupid?If you are offended by me talking about Jesus Christ, then you are in the wrong place. This is a Christian forum. Do you tell your wife she is preaching at you when she talks about Jesus?
I have mentioned that my wife declines to discuss religion. Must I repeat myself?
Deleting portions and acting like they were not there. Sometimes I don't recognize the post you are responding to.Editing your posts? How so?
Yes, you do. If you do not, it will be dismissed as myth. It is off of the table as evidence.I do not have to.
No, circular logic does not work. What is it with you and your use of logical fallacies? The bible says that the bible is true? Lol.They are not my words to establish, but God's and He Himself has testified to them that they are the truth.
Then gods, including yours, are dismissed as myths.It is not my position that gods exist, so I do not have to establish it is possible. I think it goes without saying that idols exist, if that is what you mean by gods.
Thought crimes. Got it.Sin is sin. Even evil thoughts are sins in the eyes of an all knowing, all seeing Holy God.
Bible stories. Myth, if you cannot show otherwise. And you declined to do so.In the beginning it was not so, for death came as a result from sin.
Are not lies between schoolchildren "sin"?Please refer me to this post so I may read it.
Or, the world works as we would expect it to if gods were nothing more than characters in books.Mankind is in a state of rebellion against God and His purpose. Rather than submit to and worship God, people rebel against God and go their own way and so find themselves alienated from God, morally guilty before Him, and groping in spiritual darkness, pursuing false gods of their own making. The terrible human evils in the world are testimony to mans depravity in this state of spiritual alienation from God. The Christian is not surprised at the human evil in the world; on the contrary, he expects it. The Bible says that God has given mankind over to the sin it has chosen; He does not interfere to stop it, but lets human depravity run its course. This only serves to heighten mankinds moral responsibility before God, as well as our wickedness and our need of forgiveness and moral cleansing.
Read more: The Problem of Evil | Reasonable Faith
Why would I do that to my wife when I have you?Do you ask her these pointed questions you ask me? What is her response?
That is not evidenced in your responses.I do.
So, how would one falsify the resurrection?Jesus Christ's death burial and resurrection are all open to being falsified via historical investigation, the same way any other assertion about a particular event history can be falsified.
So it can be dismissed as evidence.I do not know that it is, nor does that have any bearing on my statement.
Red herring. We are talking about your unfalsifiable claims.Is the love your wife have for you scientifically falsifiable, is your relationship with her scientifically falsifiable?
How is it not okay by God?It is not okay by God, so why do you keep asking me that?
So you can slaughter millions of men, women, and children, but you better believe? Amirite?Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.
I am gathering it from your continued evasion of the question. Any chance you will directly answer? If child rapists go to heaven, and this "god" lets them in to heaven, what is wrong with doing it?Who said there were no repercussion for the rape of that child? I did not say that anywhere. So why are you saying I did?
Given the vast amount of evil still in the world, God's efforts would appear to be ineffective.
I asked you what you thought. Whatever.
I ask you a question, and you respond by preaching at me. That is insulting. Do you think of me as stupid?
Deleting portions and acting like they were not there. Sometimes I don't recognize the post you are responding to.
Yes, you do. If you do not, it will be dismissed as myth. It is off of the table as evidence.
No, circular logic does not work. What is it with you and your use of logical fallacies? The bible says that the bible is true? Lol.
Then gods, including yours, are dismissed as myths.
Thought crimes. Got it.
Bible stories. Myth, if you cannot show otherwise. And you declined to do so.
Are not lies between schoolchildren "sin"?
Or, the world works as we would expect it to if gods were nothing more than characters in books.
Why would I do that to my wife when I have you?![]()
That is not evidenced in your responses.
So, how would one falsify the resurrection?
So it can be dismissed as evidence.
Red herring. We are talking about your unfalsifiable claims.
How is it not okay by God?
So you can slaughter millions of men, women, and children, but you better believe? Amirite?
I am gathering it from your continued evasion of the question. Any chance you will directly answer? If child rapists go to heaven, and this "god" lets them in to heaven, what is wrong with doing it?
I asked you what you thought. Whatever.
I ask you a question, and you respond by preaching at me. That is insulting. Do you think of me as stupid?
Deleting portions and acting like they were not there. Sometimes I don't recognize the post you are responding to.
Yes, you do. If you do not, it will be dismissed as myth. It is off of the table as evidence.
No, circular logic does not work. What is it with you and your use of logical fallacies? The bible says that the bible is true? Lol.
Then gods, including yours, are dismissed as myths.
Thought crimes. Got it.
Bible stories. Myth, if you cannot show otherwise. And you declined to do so.
Are not lies between schoolchildren "sin"?
Or, the world works as we would expect it to if gods were nothing more than characters in books.
Why would I do that to my wife when I have you?![]()
That is not evidenced in your responses.
So, how would one falsify the resurrection?
So it can be dismissed as evidence.
Red herring. We are talking about your unfalsifiable claims.
How is it not okay by God?
So you can slaughter millions of men, women, and children, but you better believe? Amirite?
I am gathering it from your continued evasion of the question. Any chance you will directly answer? If child rapists go to heaven, and this "god" lets them in to heaven, what is wrong with doing it?
What has Christ done to you, that you should be so offended at Him?
Given the vast amount of evil still in the world, God's efforts would appear to be ineffective.
God is stopping evil. Things can be worse.
God is stopping evil. Things can be worse.
It could also be a hell of a lot better (no pun intended).
Oh I don't know, a world where people don't kill, hurt and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] up each other for stupid reasons?What are you comparing the "here and now" to when you say "better".
What are you comparing the "here and now" to when you say "better".
What are you comparing the "here and now" to when you say "better".
Oh I don't know, a world where people don't kill, hurt and [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] up each other for stupid reasons?
Are you insinuating that you can't think of one single way in which your existence (or anyone else's) could be better than it is now?
When I think of "better", Roger Water's The Gunner's Dream comes to mind:
A place to stay
Enough to eat
Somewhere old heroes shuffle safely down the street
Where you can speak out loud
About your doubts and fears
And what's more no-one ever disappears
You never hear their standard issue kicking in your door.
You can relax on both sides of the tracks
And maniacs don't blow holes in bandsmen by remote control
And everyone has recourse to the law
And no-one kills the children anymore.
What he thinks is wrong is pretty much irrelevant to the point.You say a world where people do not hurt each other for stupid reasons would be "better" than the one in which we are living now. Well, now it must be understood that what we are talking about now is morality. You in a sense, are saying, that people should not hurt each other for stupid reasons. Well now, I will have to ask you, is this your opinion, or are you appealing to an objective moral reality which you assume everyone should intuitively know? Is it your opinion, which could be one of many, that hurting people is wrong, or are you saying hurting others is wrong despite of what other people's opinions may be?